Legalize Marijuana UPDATE W/ POLL

[Shame]

Marijuana will remain illegal until law enforcement can easily test for marijuana intoxication on the side of the road. Just my opinion.

 

[PHiuR]

Originally posted by: Shame
Marijuana will remain illegal until law enforcement can easily test for marijuana intoxication on the side of the road. Just my opinion.

hold out some taco bell, if the driver dives for the bag...:ing ding::

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: Shame
Marijuana will remain illegal until law enforcement can easily test for marijuana intoxication on the side of the road. Just my opinion.

Oh that makes a ton of sense.

As if nobody smokes it and drives now. Maybe we should outlaw driving then eh?

I drive on it all the time, and I've never been in an accident that was my fault. Funny, because the one time I was in an accident - and it wasn't my fault of course, I was high. Got rear ended at a stop light out of nowhere.

I think stupid people and stupid drivers should be outlawed until we can test for stupidity easily on the side of the road. Just my opinion.

 

Explain. Alcohol is legalized, is it not? Decriminalization is a half-assed solution at best. Designed to placate those who refuse to recognize the wrongs of the drug prohibition. It leaves the prohibition in place, with all its wrongs, and pretends that ignoring the problem is the solution. Bad idea.

Decriminalization is far from half-assed. It removes the criminal aspect of marijuana without throwing it in your face.

Alcohol is a product that has been handled by companies and marketed as product commercial for centuries, marijuana has not. I don't want the govt. getting involved in the regulation of marijuana, nor do I want companies commoditizing it and putting it on the shelves of stores. Marijuana has a very active subculture on the planet and just removing the legalities surrounding it is much better than turning it into a legal product and putting it on store shelves.

I'd much rather have decriminalization than legalization.

 

[Janet Reno]

No adverse side effects? All the hommies I know who did it all the time ended up a bit slower than the others. And I KNOWS it's got something involved with the debilitation of short term memory.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Explain. Alcohol is legalized, is it not? Decriminalization is a half-assed solution at best. Designed to placate those who refuse to recognize the wrongs of the drug prohibition. It leaves the prohibition in place, with all its wrongs, and pretends that ignoring the problem is the solution. Bad idea.

Decriminalization is far from half-assed. It removes the criminal aspect of marijuana without throwing it in your face.

Alcohol is a product that has been handled by companies and marketed as product commercial for centuries, marijuana has not. I don't want the govt. getting involved in the regulation of marijuana, nor do I want companies commoditizing it and putting it on the shelves of stores. Marijuana has a very active subculture on the planet and just removing the legalities surrounding it is much better than turning it into a legal product and putting it on store shelves.

I'd much rather have decriminalization than legalization.

Amen

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: Janet Reno
No adverse side effects? All the hommies I know who did it all the time ended up a bit slower than the others. And I KNOWS it's got something involved with the debilitation of short term memory.

You knows eh? I knows that yous knows nothins, foo.

I knows, I knows

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Janet Reno
No adverse side effects? All the hommies I know who did it all the time ended up a bit slower than the others. And I KNOWS it's got something involved with the debilitation of short term memory.

Funny, I know people that have been smoking on a heavy basis for twenty years and longer who are still pretty sharp mentally.
And IIRC, the short term memory is only damaged while under the influence.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Janet Reno
No adverse side effects? All the hommies I know who did it all the time ended up a bit slower than the others. And I KNOWS it's got something involved with the debilitation of short term memory.

Funny, I know people that have been smoking on a heavy basis for twenty years and longer who are still pretty sharp mentally.
And IIRC, the short term memory is only damaged while under the influence.

Its different for everyone. A lot of people do lose short term memory, but like you said its only while under the influence of it. If someone smokes, daily for 5 years - sure those 5 years will have been a blur. Personally, I only smoke on the weekend or on the weekdays very rarely. I become a bit paranoid on it, and its debateable as to whether thats "adverse" or not, since its not too bad - and it keeps me alert, and I drive slower and more cautiously on the road.

 

[IGBT]

..ya don't need it. Most of ya are dopy enough without it. Go do your homework.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: Shame
Marijuana will remain illegal until law enforcement can easily test for marijuana intoxication on the side of the road. Just my opinion.

They can do this now. They ( powers that be) do not wish it so. It's far too easy to make criminals out of ordinary citizens this way. Find someone who sells a little charge a felony, remove another from the voting rolls.
This from the people who don't have the manpower to investigate residential burgularies, but can find and bust a pot dealer without any trouble. Now if they would crack down on the meth dealers, oh wait, that would put them out of business. Cops need meth dealers to stay in business. Keeps the tree full of low hanging fruit.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: SampSon
No, don't legalize it, decriminalize it.
Legalization is the warcry of the ignorant.

Explain. Alcohol is legalized, is it not? Decriminalization is a half-assed solution at best. Designed to placate those who refuse to recognize the wrongs of the drug prohibition. It leaves the prohibition in place, with all its wrongs, and pretends that ignoring the problem is the solution. Bad idea.

Same thing, though "decriminalization" is probably the better term with which to effect change. Vic, didn't you advocate a more moderate liberal stance for this problem's political parallel, or am I misremembering?

 

[Shame]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: Shame
Marijuana will remain illegal until law enforcement can easily test for marijuana intoxication on the side of the road. Just my opinion.

Oh that makes a ton of sense.

As if nobody smokes it and drives now. Maybe we should outlaw driving then eh?

I drive on it all the time, and I've never been in an accident that was my fault. Funny, because the one time I was in an accident - and it wasn't my fault of course, I was high. Got rear ended at a stop light out of nowhere.

I think stupid people and stupid drivers should be outlawed until we can test for stupidity easily on the side of the road. Just my opinion.

You missed my whole point, but I agree on outlawing idiot drivers.

My point was that marijuana is an intoxicating drug, and there is no physical tests that a police officer can use at the scene to test for intoxication, as blood tests only reveal whether the person has consumed marijuana in the last few weeks. As it stands now, the marijuana OWI/DUI gets charged with Possession of Marijuana (because the person usually is dumb enough to keep it in his possession while driving), rather than OWI/DUI.

The end result if marijuana was legalized now would be that it would basically be legal to drive around as high as you want to be with no real fear of prosecution. That is not going to happen, sorry.

PHiuR: If the Supreme Court would agree to the Taco Bell or "Dorito and Mountain Dew" test, I think marijuana would be legalized...

 

[Brutuskend]

Did you also know that one of the driving forces behind criminalizing pot was cheap Mexican labor? Many of them smoked pot and, this being during or shortly after the depression, they wanted to get rid of them so whites could have the work they were doing. Also, cocaine was a way to keep the blacks down. Opium, the Chinese.

No, I'm NOT making this up. There was a show about this awhile back on the Discovery Channel.

I made a post on here about it shortly after I watched the program.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Janet Reno
No adverse side effects? All the hommies I know who did it all the time ended up a bit slower than the others. And I KNOWS it's got something involved with the debilitation of short term memory.

Funny, I know people that have been smoking on a heavy basis for twenty years and longer who are still pretty sharp mentally.
And IIRC, the short term memory is only damaged while under the influence.

People who drink daily don't end up doing so hot on the health-o-meter either, but we're not locking them up for it... What we put into our bodies should be of nobody's concern but our own. If anything, removing the stigma associated with cannabis would help to encourage research which could help define the threshold curve or perhaps uncover methods by which to make it safer. Already, stigmatization has made it more dangerous:

Invention of better vaporizers has been stymied by prohibition. The MAPS study notes, "In the late 1970s, a vaporizer known as the Tilt appeared on the market. According to the manufacturer, laboratory tests showed that it released 80% more THC and 79% less tar than a regular pipe, a performance ratio almost ten times better than any observed in this study. It is to be hoped that these impressive results can be replicated in the future. Unfortunately, the Tilt was withdrawn from the market in the early 1980s due to the passage of anti-paraphernalia laws."

Source

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: Shame
Marijuana will remain illegal until law enforcement can easily test for marijuana intoxication on the side of the road. Just my opinion.

They can do this now. They ( powers that be) do not wish it so. It's far too easy to make criminals out of ordinary citizens this way. Find someone who sells a little charge a felony, remove another from the voting rolls.
This from the people who don't have the manpower to investigate residential burgularies, but can find and bust a pot dealer without any trouble. Now if they would crack down on the meth dealers, oh wait, that would put them out of business. Cops need meth dealers to stay in business. Keeps the tree full of low hanging fruit.

Hmmm..they can? A test will tell if you've done it recently, but since it stays in your fat cells so long, you can test for it long after you got stoned. The test would have to prove that you were under the influence then...not at some point in the last month or so...

Correct me if I'm wrong...

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: Shame
Marijuana will remain illegal until law enforcement can easily test for marijuana intoxication on the side of the road. Just my opinion.

They can do this now. They ( powers that be) do not wish it so. It's far too easy to make criminals out of ordinary citizens this way. Find someone who sells a little charge a felony, remove another from the voting rolls.
This from the people who don't have the manpower to investigate residential burgularies, but can find and bust a pot dealer without any trouble. Now if they would crack down on the meth dealers, oh wait, that would put them out of business. Cops need meth dealers to stay in business. Keeps the tree full of low hanging fruit.

Hmmm..they can? A test will tell if you've done it recently, but since it stays in your fat cells so long, you can test for it long after you got stoned. The test would have to prove that you were under the influence then...not at some point in the last month or so...

Correct me if I'm wrong...

That's a conventional test for it. There have been attempts to create a reliable method by which to test for intoxication, but I'm not sure how much success there's been.

 

[zoiks]

Nopes.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: Shame

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: Shame
Marijuana will remain illegal until law enforcement can easily test for marijuana intoxication on the side of the road. Just my opinion.

Oh that makes a ton of sense.

As if nobody smokes it and drives now. Maybe we should outlaw driving then eh?

I drive on it all the time, and I've never been in an accident that was my fault. Funny, because the one time I was in an accident - and it wasn't my fault of course, I was high. Got rear ended at a stop light out of nowhere.

I think stupid people and stupid drivers should be outlawed until we can test for stupidity easily on the side of the road. Just my opinion.

You missed my whole point, but I agree on outlawing idiot drivers.

My point was that marijuana is an intoxicating drug, and there is no physical tests that a police officer can use at the scene to test for intoxication, as blood tests only reveal whether the person has consumed marijuana in the last few weeks. As it stands now, the marijuana OWI/DUI gets charged with Possession of Marijuana (because the person usually is dumb enough to keep it in his possession while driving), rather than OWI/DUI.

The end result if marijuana was legalized now would be that it would basically be legal to drive around as high as you want to be with no real fear of prosecution. That is not going to happen, sorry.

PHiuR: If the Supreme Court would agree to the Taco Bell or "Dorito and Mountain Dew" test, I think marijuana would be legalized...

Everybody who is realistically interested in marijuana laws, knows that legalization is unrealistic. But not for the one uneducated reason that you gave, but for many others before it. And also, nobody who is realistically interested in marijuana laws wants its legalization any way, only its decriminalization. Having it shouldn't lead to jail time, plain and simple. Maybe the equivelant of speeding

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Did you also know that one of the driving forces behind criminalizing pot was cheap Mexican labor? Many of them smoked pot and, this being during or shortly after the depression, they wanted to get rid of them so whites could have the work they were doing. Also, cocaine was a way to keep the blacks down. Opium, the Chinese.

No, I'm NOT making this up. There was a show about this awhile back on the Discovery Channel.

I made a post on here about it shortly after I watched the program.

I saw the same stuff, but on the History channel

 

[Brutuskend]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Did you also know that one of the driving forces behind criminalizing pot was cheap Mexican labor? Many of them smoked pot and, this being during or shortly after the depression, they wanted to get rid of them so whites could have the work they were doing. Also, cocaine was a way to keep the blacks down. Opium, the Chinese.

No, I'm NOT making this up. There was a show about this awhile back on the Discovery Channel.

I made a post on here about it shortly after I watched the program.

I saw the same stuff, but on the History channel

Ahhh mabe that was it.....
I'm old....

 

You missed my whole point, but I agree on outlawing idiot drivers.

My point was that marijuana is an intoxicating drug, and there is no physical tests that a police officer can use at the scene to test for intoxication, as blood tests only reveal whether the person has consumed marijuana in the last few weeks. As it stands now, the marijuana OWI/DUI gets charged with Possession of Marijuana (because the person usually is dumb enough to keep it in his possession while driving), rather than OWI/DUI.

The end result if marijuana was legalized now would be that it would basically be legal to drive around as high as you want to be with no real fear of prosecution. That is not going to happen, sorry.

There are field tests for marijuana. Mabey not as accurate as a beathalizer, but the accuracy and validity of breathlizer tests could be debated.
Marijuana would be handled just like alcohol. How you reason that you could drive around high as you want without prosecution is beyond me.

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Did you also know that one of the driving forces behind criminalizing pot was cheap Mexican labor? Many of them smoked pot and, this being during or shortly after the depression, they wanted to get rid of them so whites could have the work they were doing. Also, cocaine was a way to keep the blacks down. Opium, the Chinese.

No, I'm NOT making this up. There was a show about this awhile back on the Discovery Channel.

I made a post on here about it shortly after I watched the program.

Ok, so what did they use to keep the white man down?
Nothing, because it's all bullsh!t.

There are many articles, books and essays written on why marijuana was legalized. The main driving force was lobbying from petroleum companies.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: Shame
Marijuana will remain illegal until law enforcement can easily test for marijuana intoxication on the side of the road. Just my opinion.

They can do this now. They ( powers that be) do not wish it so. It's far too easy to make criminals out of ordinary citizens this way. Find someone who sells a little charge a felony, remove another from the voting rolls.
This from the people who don't have the manpower to investigate residential burgularies, but can find and bust a pot dealer without any trouble. Now if they would crack down on the meth dealers, oh wait, that would put them out of business. Cops need meth dealers to stay in business. Keeps the tree full of low hanging fruit.

Hmmm..they can? A test will tell if you've done it recently, but since it stays in your fat cells so long, you can test for it long after you got stoned. The test would have to prove that you were under the influence then...not at some point in the last month or so...

Correct me if I'm wrong...

That's a conventional test for it. There have been attempts to create a reliable method by which to test for intoxication, but I'm not sure how much success there's been.

The mystagma test (onset angle of eye jitter) is a conventional test used for intoxication that is reliable with pot. As for urine tests, there are multiple intoxicant tests that will simultaneously check for THC, cocaine, Meth, alcohol, PCP and Tricyclics (valium, etc) with a single urine sample. This is what they will haul you into the station to do if they suspect you of DUI of other than alcohol.
Contrary to popular mythology, a casual user ( a gram or so ~aprox 1-2 joints / month) will pass any residuals in 3-4 days. Heavier users can take up to six weeks.
None of those levels are enough to convict of DUI, only of past use. The Mystagma test, however, is admissable evidence as to impairment.

< Step Dad ex CHP.

 

[Shame]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: Shame

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: Shame
Marijuana will remain illegal until law enforcement can easily test for marijuana intoxication on the side of the road. Just my opinion.

Oh that makes a ton of sense.

As if nobody smokes it and drives now. Maybe we should outlaw driving then eh?

I drive on it all the time, and I've never been in an accident that was my fault. Funny, because the one time I was in an accident - and it wasn't my fault of course, I was high. Got rear ended at a stop light out of nowhere.

I think stupid people and stupid drivers should be outlawed until we can test for stupidity easily on the side of the road. Just my opinion.

You missed my whole point, but I agree on outlawing idiot drivers.

My point was that marijuana is an intoxicating drug, and there is no physical tests that a police officer can use at the scene to test for intoxication, as blood tests only reveal whether the person has consumed marijuana in the last few weeks. As it stands now, the marijuana OWI/DUI gets charged with Possession of Marijuana (because the person usually is dumb enough to keep it in his possession while driving), rather than OWI/DUI.

The end result if marijuana was legalized now would be that it would basically be legal to drive around as high as you want to be with no real fear of prosecution. That is not going to happen, sorry.

PHiuR: If the Supreme Court would agree to the Taco Bell or "Dorito and Mountain Dew" test, I think marijuana would be legalized...

Everybody who is realistically interested in marijuana laws, knows that legalization is unrealistic. But not for the one uneducated reason that you gave, but for many others before it. And also, nobody who is realistically interested in marijuana laws wants its legalization any way, only its decriminalization. Having it shouldn't lead to jail time, plain and simple. Maybe the equivelant of speeding

For some reason, you think my logic is way out there... Here's a thought: What do you want to bet that any state that decriminalizes marijuana will be paying for their own roads? Coincidence?

RBachman: I haven't heard of any credible test. I guess you could have an officer certified to detect the presence of a CNS depressent, but that isn't going to hold up in Court like a breathylizer (sp) does...

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: SampSon

Explain. Alcohol is legalized, is it not? Decriminalization is a half-assed solution at best. Designed to placate those who refuse to recognize the wrongs of the drug prohibition. It leaves the prohibition in place, with all its wrongs, and pretends that ignoring the problem is the solution. Bad idea.

Decriminalization is far from half-assed. It removes the criminal aspect of marijuana without throwing it in your face.

Alcohol is a product that has been handled by companies and marketed as product commercial for centuries, marijuana has not. I don't want the govt. getting involved in the regulation of marijuana, nor do I want companies commoditizing it and putting it on the shelves of stores. Marijuana has a very active subculture on the planet and just removing the legalities surrounding it is much better than turning it into a legal product and putting it on store shelves.

I'd much rather have decriminalization than legalization.

Amen

alcohol is decrimilized because its is legal for a person over 21 to have but not for somebody under 21 and it is taxed.


I am all for decrimilization of pot. alcohol is a far worse drug than pot and look at all the money our governments would save by not waging a loosing war on pot. they cant stop it, will never stop it and its as simple as that.