Legalize Marijuana UPDATE W/ POLL

[K1052]

Originally posted by: cscpianoman
I'll admit bubble-bursting is a bit strong. My point out of all the articles was there is an effect, even in light-usage there is a negative effect. My guess it the gov't is waiting for absolute proof that marijuana usage is OK, because from what I'm seeing there is a lot of controversy.

piasabird: Let's decontrol murder and rape. It's a fallacy that people need to be controlled to protect them. Let's let all the seriel rapists and such out of jail. I'm sure they don't need to be controlled.

Bad analogy.
Murder and rape violate the rights of other people.

The government was never supposed to protect us from ourselves.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: cscpianoman
I'll admit bubble-bursting is a bit strong. My point out of all the articles was there is an effect, even in light-usage there is a negative effect. My guess it the gov't is waiting for absolute proof that marijuana usage is OK, because from what I'm seeing there is a lot of controversy.

piasabird: Let's decontrol murder and rape. It's a fallacy that people need to be controlled to protect them. Let's let all the seriel rapists and such out of jail. I'm sure they don't need to be controlled.

please describe said "negative effects" of light usage. i'm too lazy to read all your posts in here

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: cscpianoman
I'll admit bubble-bursting is a bit strong. My point out of all the articles was there is an effect, even in light-usage there is a negative effect. My guess it the gov't is waiting for absolute proof that marijuana usage is OK, because from what I'm seeing there is a lot of controversy.

Can you briefly put into your own words the negative effect from light-usage? Do you consider these effects justification for imprisonment? How do you reconcile the fact that many other substances also have negative effects, but are legal?

 

[SMOGZINN]

Originally posted by: arcenite
Mary Jane is not illegal because of its direct effects, it is illegal because of what people will do when they experience those effects.

We must protect our Doritos supply!

Originally posted by: stormbv
Marijuana can trigger mental illness and psychosis in those predisposed to it. It's more dangerous than people think it is.

So can red colored light, loud noises, and any number of other enviromental factors. There currently is no studies that can make a causal link between cannabis use and the onset of any form of neurotic episodes.

Originally posted by: rodneykm
Every "pot head" I know (and I know a lot of them) are noticably slower and very unmotivated people. I am definitely against legalizing pot and it wouldnt hurt my feelings if alcohol were outlawed as well. Both are excuses to be stupid and irresponsible.

80% of all auto-pedestrian accidents occur at crosswalks. Therefore crosswalks cause auto-pedestrian accidents. By outlawing crosswalks we can reduce auto-pedestrian accidents by 80%. Want to take a shot at what is wrong with this argument?

 

[rodneykm]

WTF does that have to do w/ what i said?

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: rodneykm
WTF does that have to do w/ what i said?

Correlation is different from causation.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Originally posted by: rodneykm
WTF does that have to do w/ what i said?

Your argument is the same as the one I posted.

You know a lot of people that smoke pot. Those people are lazy and unmotivated. Therefore Pot must make people lazy and unmotivated. Therefore if we make pot illegal we will have less lazy and unmotivated people.

This argument has a flaw in it. Can you spot it?

 

[rodneykm]

Banning crosswalks = Unreasonable

Banning drugs = Very resonable

Crosswalks cant be taken away and the harmful side effects they may cause are probably not preventable. Pot on the other hand is defintely preventible.

 

[DougK62]

I'm for decriminalization, but you'll never be able to convince me that it's perfectly safe to do.

 

[meltdown75]

more comments.

i see this from a couple different perspectives.

1) the last thing society needs is another intoxicant! maybe we're messed up enough for now. in the future, decrim. might be a good idea.

OR

2) society as a whole is messed up and the PERFECT REMEDY is...

:music: everybody must get stoned :music:

more commentary to follow as it pops into my head.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Originally posted by: rodneykm
Banning crosswalks = Unreasonable

Banning drugs = Very resonable

Crosswalks cant be taken away and the harmful side effects they may cause are probably not preventable. Pot on the other hand is defintely preventible.

Okay, so you failed at spotting the flaw in the argument. That is fine we all had to learn sometime.

The crosswalk argument is a classic argument about causation. Crosswalks do not cause auto-pedestrian accidents. Auto-pedestrian accidents are not a side effect of crosswalks. Removing crosswalks actually increases auto-pedestrian accidents. The reason that 80% of all auto-pedestrian accidents occur at crosswalks is because most interaction between pedestrians and automobiles occurs at crosswalks, therefore there is a greater potential for an accident. If you remove the crosswalk, there are still interaction between pedestrians and automobiles but they are now unregulated. Crosswalks and auto-pedestrian accidents have a correlation to each other, that is to say that the two tend to occur together, but not a causal relationship meaning that one does not cause the other. Without having determined the true causal relationship you have no way to know how changing one (removing crosswalks) will affect the other (auto-pedestrian accidents,) if at all. In the example argument outlawing crosswalks would actually have the opposite effect on auto-pedestrian accidents then we are trying to achieve.

The same logic must hold true for your cannabis argument. Just because we know that some people (or even all) that smoke cannabis are lazy and unmotivated that does not translate into any knowledge about the cause of their lazy and unmotivated behavior. We do not know that cannabis is causing them to be lazy and unmotivated. It could just as easily be the other way around, that because they are lazy and unmotivated they use cannabis. If that is true, then making cannabis illegal would not affect the behavior of being lazy and unmotivated, but instead just make them criminals as well.

In my humble opinion this is just what our society has done.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
more comments.

i see this from a couple different perspectives.

1) the last thing society needs is another intoxicant! maybe we're messed up enough for now. in the future, decrim. might be a good idea.

OR

2) society as a whole is messed up and the PERFECT REMEDY is...

:music: everybody must get stoned :music:

more commentary to follow as it pops into my head.

1. This is a common misconception people have. This would be an ok argument if we were debating creating a NEW drug and making it available. But were talking about pot, it's here, it's available, it's nothing new. Then theres the fear that everyone and their mom will start smoking pot if it was legalized/decriminalized but the evidence says otherwise.

2. hehe

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: cscpianoman
I'll admit bubble-bursting is a bit strong. My point out of all the articles was there is an effect, even in light-usage there is a negative effect. My guess it the gov't is waiting for absolute proof that marijuana usage is OK, because from what I'm seeing there is a lot of controversy.

piasabird: Let's decontrol murder and rape. It's a fallacy that people need to be controlled to protect them. Let's let all the seriel rapists and such out of jail. I'm sure they don't need to be controlled.

You just destroyed any and all credibility you might have thought you had.

 

[HomeAppraiser]

PLEASE ADD A TOPIC POLL.

 

[Arkitech]

I really don't understand why people would have a problem with legalizing marijuana. If you don't want to use it then abstain, but why force your opinions on everyone else. It's like preventing people from not eating at McDonalds because they might get fat. The bottomline is, it's really not your business what people choose to do partake in "as long as they are not harming others". If anything people should be up in arms over alcohol and cigarettes, there's reams of information of people causing harm to themselves and others by using those products.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

:music: Some got gold, and oil, and diamonds all we got is Mary J. Legalize it, time you recognize it. :music:

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Arkitech
I really don't understand why people would have a problem with legalizing marijuana. If you don't want to use it then abstain, but why force your opinions on everyone else. It's like preventing people from not eating at McDonalds because they might get fat. The bottomline is, it's really not your business what people choose to do partake in "as long as they are not harming others". If anything people should be up in arms over alcohol and cigarettes, there's reams of information of people causing harm to themselves and others by using those products.

Funny you mention that bolded part, as it is on the agenda. With outlawing sodas like Coke and Pepsi after that.

 

[zoiks]

nopes again.

 

[kitkat22]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: cscpianoman
I'll admit bubble-bursting is a bit strong. My point out of all the articles was there is an effect, even in light-usage there is a negative effect. My guess it the gov't is waiting for absolute proof that marijuana usage is OK, because from what I'm seeing there is a lot of controversy.

piasabird: Let's decontrol murder and rape. It's a fallacy that people need to be controlled to protect them. Let's let all the seriel rapists and such out of jail. I'm sure they don't need to be controlled.

You just destroyed any and all credibility you might have thought you had.

Yep, I know. That's why I decided to jump from the dying ship, it saves what little intelligence I have left

 

[SilentZero]

No. It should be illegal.

 

[91TTZ]

I believe in giving legal adults the ability to make decisions for themself. This includes what they put in their own body.

 

[Tab]

I wish I had responded in this thread eariler anyway...

1 - For those wishing that Marijuana to be legalized, it's never going to happen. Do you really think the religious-right are going to elect a canadiate who wants marijuana legalized? Nope. The best anyone can hope for is decriminalization, though I doubt it'll ever happen with today's political climate and the "above the influence" government sponsered propaganda.

2 - I noticed someone mentioned something about a documentary about how Marijuana was used to control Mexican workers and a documentary. The title of the documentary "History of Marjiuana" and it's a IMAX presentation. It shouldn't be hard to find on the web. I highly recommend it, it's very well done.

3 - Marjiunana has Zero deaths? Yes, because every person tells their doctor they activily smoke weed. :roll: Tobacco and Marjiuana are very simaller in their carcinogenic and other adverse affects. Seriously folks, it's a poor justification to legalize something because there are no recorded deaths from it.

For the record I do support legalization and I wouldn't mind having a fun new years

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: Tab
I wish I had responded in this thread eariler anyway...

1 - For those wishing that Marijuana to be legalized, it's never going to happen. Do you really think the religious-right are going to elect a canadiate who wants marijuana legalized? Nope. The best anyone can hope for is decriminalization, though I doubt it'll ever happen with today's political climate and the "above the influence" government sponsered propaganda.

2 - I noticed someone mentioned something about a documentary about how Marijuana was used to control Mexican workers and a documentary. The title of the documentary "History of Marjiuana" and it's a IMAX presentation. It shouldn't be hard to find on the web. I highly recommend it, it's very well done.

3 - Marjiunana has Zero deaths? Yes, because every person tells their doctor they activily smoke weed. :roll: Tobacco and Marjiuana are very simaller in their carcinogenic and other adverse affects. Seriously folks, it's a poor justification to legalize something because there are no recorded deaths from it.

For the record I do support legalization and I wouldn't mind having a fun new years

1. Decriminalization of possession has happened. It's possible full decrim/legalization with regulation can occur, though not likely.

2. Thanks for mentioning that film, I haven't heard anything about it until now.

3. Check the kaiser study on long term mj smokers regarding cancer. Marijuana has been very popular for over 30 years now with millions of people having used it. If it was killing people someone somewhere would have found out about it, especially considering how such a finding would tremendously benefit the war on drugs politically.
This site has some good stuff on marijuana deaths.

You've come a long way since the potent pot thread from a year ago.

 

[aigomorla]

well they say if ur drunk u'll run the stop sign.. But if ur High/Faded, you'll sit at the interscetion and wait for the stop sign to turn green. :X

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Originally posted by: Tab
I wish I had responded in this thread eariler anyway...

1 - For those wishing that Marijuana to be legalized, it's never going to happen. Do you really think the religious-right are going to elect a canadiate who wants marijuana legalized? Nope. The best anyone can hope for is decriminalization, though I doubt it'll ever happen with today's political climate and the "above the influence" government sponsered propaganda.

2 - I noticed someone mentioned something about a documentary about how Marijuana was used to control Mexican workers and a documentary. The title of the documentary "History of Marjiuana" and it's a IMAX presentation. It shouldn't be hard to find on the web. I highly recommend it, it's very well done.

3 - Marjiunana has Zero deaths? Yes, because every person tells their doctor they activily smoke weed. :roll: Tobacco and Marjiuana are very simaller in their carcinogenic and other adverse affects. Seriously folks, it's a poor justification to legalize something because there are no recorded deaths from it.

For the record I do support legalization and I wouldn't mind having a fun new years

1. Decriminalization of possession has happened. It's possible full decrim/legalization with regulation can occur, though not likely.

2. Thanks for mentioning that film, I haven't heard anything about it until now.

3. Check the kaiser study on long term mj smokers regarding cancer. Marijuana has been very popular for over 30 years now with millions of people having used it. If it was killing people someone somewhere would have found out about it, especially considering how such a finding would tremendously benefit the war on drugs politically.
This site has some good stuff on marijuana deaths.

You've come a long way since the potent pot thread from a year ago.

1 - I know it has in Canada at least, I think it was compeletely legal in Ohio or some state in the United States for sometime...

2 - No problem.

3 - As much as marijuana should be legalized I don't trust "www.medicalmarjiuanaprocon.org" I'll read it tommarow afternoon when I am not so drunk.

I was immature teenage a year ago, thank god I woke up.