lewis vs Klitschko

[NeoV]

Louis and Marciano fought plenty of bums as well...and the two guys who did beat Lewis got their asses handed to them the second time around.....Lewis is one of only two heavies to have ever beaten every opponent they have ever fought against.

Ali is clearly #1 all-time. I think Lewis is the best heavy since that era though....Larry Holmes may have been the softest punching HW champ of all-time, and I think Lewis would have totally over-whelmed him in a fight in their primes. He is bigger and stronger than just about any heavyweight you could put on a best all-time list too. You may not like him, but you have to give him some credit..you make it sound like he is Randall Tex Cobb or something!


Jim Lampley has been critical of many boxers under contract with HBO, and has even been critical of HBO itself.

 

[hawkeye81x]

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[EvilYoda]

Crap, I have planned on watching this fight all week...even easier since I have HBO! But I totally forgot and went to go see The Hulk...talk about a poor decision.

Sucks to see that Lewis won too.

 

[billandopus]

Originally posted by: Diesel UV
Have you guys forgotten that he wasn't supposed to fight Klitschko? He didn't have to prepare as hard for that other guy. If you all think Lewis will come to a rematch in the same shape, you have another thing coming. Remember how badly he beat Rahman the second time around? He wasted no time. Tyson?

I agree.

Remember he took this fight under short notice when he was supposed to fight Kirk Johnson, a much different style fighter. That makes all the difference in the world.

Lewis has shown that when he gets a second chance at redeeming himself ... the result is devastating. I wouldn't bet against him.

Ask Tyson or Rahman.

 

[BruceLee]

Originally posted by: NeoV
Louis and Marciano fought plenty of bums as well...and the two guys who did beat Lewis got their asses handed to them the second time around.....Lewis is one of only two heavies to have ever beaten every opponent they have ever fought against.

Ali is clearly #1 all-time. I think Lewis is the best heavy since that era though....Larry Holmes may have been the softest punching HW champ of all-time, and I think Lewis would have totally over-whelmed him in a fight in their primes. He is bigger and stronger than just about any heavyweight you could put on a best all-time list too. You may not like him, but you have to give him some credit..you make it sound like he is Randall Tex Cobb or something!


Jim Lampley has been critical of many boxers under contract with HBO, and has even been critical of HBO itself.

Dude, cmon now, I'm not saying they fought awesome guys all the time. All I am saying is putting those names next to Lewis is a joke. You're talking about guys that made boxing what it is today, where Lennox just happens to be the best heavyweight today (Lennox isn't even the most notable fighter today, guys like De la Hoya, RJJ, Barrera, etc are way more popular than he is). The reason I don't like him is because he hasn't done anything spectacular and he is a pompous ass. I am also not saying anyone of those heavyweights is better than Lewis. He would murder anyone of them (maybe not Ali), just because it is a completely different era. No one was anywhere close to the size of him, so saying he would have "over-whelmed" those guys is obvious. Like I said before he is a great fighter (probably right outside the top10 or maybe #10), but he sure as hell hasn't done anything spectacular in his career. And beating every guy in his career is nothing incredibly spectacular considering who he has fought. Back in the early 90's he might have been the top contender (Tyson would have beaten him), but killing a crappy Tyson and an old Holyfield doesn't do much for me. He just got caught in a bad time to be the heavyweight that's all. The division has been a joke for awhile now, and I think it is obvious after watching how great Grant was supposed to be only to see how bad he really is. I used to think Lennox was a decent guy, but after hearing a bunch of interviews I have come to the conclusion that he is a dickhead. And no, he didn't give Vitaly any credit after the fight. He said that V was "deteriorating", while he was about to have a stroke. Vitaly was winning the fight, and if Lennox was a real champion he would give V another shot and win back the title that he lost tonight.

edit: All the talk about the fight on short notice, I didn't hear any of that from Lewis beforehand. The only time I hear all these excuses is after the fight. The only thing I heard before the fight was how easily Lennox was gonna defeat Klitschko, and how we would see the best Lennox we have yet (He said that himself at the Gatti-Ward fight 2 weeks ago). Now all I hear is not enough time, out of shape, long layoof, etc. If you are gonna talk about how much of a badass you are, you need to be consistent. He obviously isn't man enough to accept this setback, and will resort to excuses as his fans are already doing on the HBO message boards.

 

[NeoV]

he did give V credit after the fight, he said he is a "for sure legit #1 contender"..and the fact is V was fading, Lewis came on strong in the 6th round, which all three judges had him winning.

Lets just agree to disagree on where Lewis falls historically.

 

[friedpie]

Remember he took this fight under short notice when he was supposed to fight Kirk Johnson, a much different style fighter. That makes all the difference in the world.

And Klitschko was supposed to fight someone else so what is your point, really?

That short notice won't cut it because Lewis was just out of shape. He took Johnson lightly, then when it was switched to Vitali, he took him lightly.

I agree that an in shape Lewis would beat Vitali, but I won't make any excuses for an out of shape Lewis.

 

[BruceLee]

Originally posted by: NeoV
he did give V credit after the fight, he said he is a "for sure legit #1 contender"..and the fact is V was fading, Lewis came on strong in the 6th round, which all three judges had him winning.

Lets just agree to disagree on where Lewis falls historically.

That's fine with me, I even said earlier you can think what you want. I just don't agree that's all. (Not pointed at anyone) I just find that Lennox fans are so biased it is not even funny. Like I said I will give him his credit if he defeats Vitaly in a rematch, but for the time being he has lost a lot of the already miniscule amount of US fans he had, managed to get booed out of the ring, and showed that maybe at 37 he is having problems maintaining the level of skill he once had. It just disheartens me to see a guy like that as the champion of the world.

 

[LuNoTiCK]

Originally posted by: bill_n_opus

Originally posted by: Diesel UV
Have you guys forgotten that he wasn't supposed to fight Klitschko? He didn't have to prepare as hard for that other guy. If you all think Lewis will come to a rematch in the same shape, you have another thing coming. Remember how badly he beat Rahman the second time around? He wasted no time. Tyson?

I agree.

Remember he took this fight under short notice when he was supposed to fight Kirk Johnson, a much different style fighter. That makes all the difference in the world.

Lewis has shown that when he gets a second chance at redeeming himself ... the result is devastating. I wouldn't bet against him.

Ask Tyson or Rahman.

The Tyson that Lewis beat wasn't the same tyson of old. He's just washed up with no heart. If you saw the fight, look at the first two minutes, when Tyson put some pressure on Lewis, Lewis didn't know what to do. The Tyson of old was even better. Lewis didn't know what to do, now imagine if Tyson can keep doing that.

Also, Lewis knew about the fight before Vitali. He had more time to prepare.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: Diesel UV
Have you guys forgotten that he wasn't supposed to fight Klitschko? He didn't have to prepare as hard for that other guy. If you all think Lewis will come to a rematch in the same shape, you have another thing coming. Remember how badly he beat Rahman the second time around? He wasted no time. Tyson?

Uh, that argument doesn't really hold any water since it swings both ways. Klitschko wasn't training to fight Lewis was he?

Besides, no matter who he was fighting there's no excuse for him coming in as a overweight complacent peice of crap. When I saw his wieght and how he came into the ring I couldn't belive it. I thought rackhman taught him his lesson the first time. Obviously not. His stupid after fight comments made it even worse. If he'd been asked if Klitschko had hit him at all I would have expected him to say "Well, I don't really see it that way. Look at the state of his face." or any other stupid combo of the same scentences he repeated over and over. I used to have alot of respect for Lewis and the way he went about his buisness but this fight made it clear he's just another arrogant myopian who's bought into himself too much.

 

[Miramonti]

from kellermans assessment on espn.com, this fight sounded like some serious hammertime. what a rarity these days to have two heavyweights go blow to blow with each other.

 

[Kntx]

Anyone who thinks klitschko could have possibly won that is crazy. Lewis was getting his second wind and would have destroyed him.

Yep, Lewis was trailing on all three cards and getting his butt kicked, but now in the post-fight he's saying Klitschko was lucky they stopped it, he was just getting to him, that he surely would have won the next few rounds, etc etc etc. I don't know what fight Lewis was watching, but the one I saw had him getting hammered pretty badly.

I dont know what you could be thinking, Lewis was behind in points yes... but did you see klitschko's face??? He was seriously fvcked up. If that fight went a few more rounds, Lewis would have KOed him for sure. And if by some freak miracle klitschko won, Lewis would whip into shape and embarrass him in the rematch like he's done to everyone else who has ever beat him.

 

[Sid59]

rematch. was a good fight.

 

[Zebo]

White boys cut too easy because of chisled features and thin skin. We suck in boxing for that reason. I used to box golden gloves an got cut even with head gear on and bleed profusly and not even hurt. Now wresling is more suited to us.

Just look in that photo how square his face is. cheek bones and eye bones protruding, very exposed.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Shlong

Originally posted by: IgoByte
Klitschko is the man!

Did you Lewis at the after-fight interview? Pu$$y!


Man, white guys have a much harder time with those cuts than black guys do.

Not Really

Notice how it's not bleeding?

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: Kntx
Anyone who thinks klitschko could have possibly won that is crazy. Lewis was getting his second wind and would have destroyed him.

Yep, Lewis was trailing on all three cards and getting his butt kicked, but now in the post-fight he's saying Klitschko was lucky they stopped it, he was just getting to him, that he surely would have won the next few rounds, etc etc etc. I don't know what fight Lewis was watching, but the one I saw had him getting hammered pretty badly.

I dont know what you could be thinking, Lewis was behind in points yes... but did you see klitschko's face??? He was seriously fvcked up. If that fight went a few more rounds, Lewis would have KOed him for sure. And if by some freak miracle klitschko won, Lewis would whip into shape and embarrass him in the rematch like he's done to everyone else who has ever beat him.

Lewis was getting his second wind? Hmm, someone listened to Lewis' after fight comments a bit too much. The only reason Lewis was still on his feet was the fact that he was getting alot more rest between rounds since the doctor kept stoping the clock to check out Klitschko's eye. Lewis got his "second wind" when he actually got warmed up in the second. If you think he had some magical burst of energy coming you're high. Face it, he was in crappy shape and was gassed by the 4th round. Because of his disdain for Klitschko he got used as a punching bag. If Klitschko had been just a tad bit more agressive in the second/third round he could have laid lewis out no problem. That being said as much as I'd love to see a rematch I don't think it will happen. Lewis would never agree to it after the way he got abused the first time.

 

[Codewiz]

Lewis getting a SECOND WIND???? What fight were you watching. EVERY round Lewis was plopping down in his corner. He could barely walk. Vitali on the other hand had plenty of energy. He wasn't collapsing after every round like Lewis. Lewis would have lost that fight as long as Vitali didn't get knocked out. Lewis would have lost on points or by getting knocked out himself.

 

[HarryAngel]

If there is a rematch, there will be no problems for Lewis

1. Klitschko was much better prepared for this since he has wanted to fight Lewis for a long time and he is the challenger with a title shot in mind all the time. Simply much more hungry.

2. Lewis wasen't prepared for Klitschko at all (one weeks notice) You could say the same about Klitschko but remember they are fighting from diffrent perspectives. Klitschko is a contender and fighting evry match for getting lewis world champion belts! Big diffrence. Lewis otoh must find motivation for some fights and tend to underestimate contenders (rematch always tells a diffrent story with lewis).

3. Klitschko could have won this fight, he was much better and stronger then Lewis (loved his inside fighting, forcing some of the punches through lewis guard, very impressive). But a bad cut is a cut. The doctor did the right thing to stop the fight IMO. If Klitschko hadn't got that cut he would have knocked out Lewis.

4. Lewis is still the champ. He could go down the books as one of the greats alltime. I'd say top 5. with #1 Ali on the top followed by #2 Joe Lewis, #3 Mike Tyson, #4 Forman and #5 Lewis.

 

[gigapet]

There is no guarantee who will win if there is a rematch but I do believe it will be an entertaining match up. Personally I'd like to see lewis's ass handed to him cuz he is so friggin cocky.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: HarryAngel
If there is a rematch, there will be no problems for Lewis

1. Klitschko was much better prepared for this since he has wanted to fight Lewis for a long time and he is the challenger with a title shot in mind all the time. Simply much more hungry.

Lewis had been running his mouth that he was in the best shape of his life. That ended up being a bunch of crap. Klitschko was more prepared and that was obvious.

2. Lewis wasen't prepared for Klitschko at all (one weeks notice) You could say the same about Klitschko but remember they are fighting from diffrent perspectives. Klitschko is a contender and fighting evry match for getting lewis world champion belts! Big diffrence. Lewis otoh must find motivation for some fights and tend to underestimate contenders (rematch always tells a diffrent story with lewis).

I agree that the rematch will be a different story IF Lewis actually takes him seriously. I think he will but who knows. Lewis seems to think he is invincible. When Lewis comes in prepared he is very difficult to beat. I don't think Klitschko will be able to rely on his ackward style to win the fight. Lewis had no idea how to handle the style. That will not be the case in the second fight.

3. Klitschko could have won this fight, he was much better and stronger then Lewis (loved his inside fighting, forcing some of the punches through lewis guard, very impressive). But a bad cut is a cut. The doctor did the right thing to stop the fight IMO. If Klitschko hadn't got that cut he would have knocked out Lewis.

Klitschko had the fight. After watching a replay, he was actually fighting to his gameplan. He knew Lewis was out of shape and wanted to take the fight to later stages of the fight. He wanted Lewis to be tired. His plan was working perfectly except for the cut. I don't know where Lewis got off saying he was on his way to knocking him out.

4. Lewis is still the champ. He could go down the books as one of the greats alltime. I'd say top 5. with #1 Ali on the top followed by #2 Joe Lewis, #3 Mike Tyson, #4 Forman and #5 Lewis.

Lewis is a good boxer but I would not out in the top 15 all time boxers. Look who Lewis has fought. All small guys for the most part. That isn't Lewis's fault but the fact remains that Lewis just happened to be bigger than everyone else. Considering that Lewis has only been in the ring with 3 people of comparable size says a lot. My point is simply that he is a good fighter but overall I don't think he is all that great. He faced weak opponents that were not up to his size so I do not feel we can put him in the top 15.

If you put Lewis in the ring with Ali, Lewis would kick his ass. Not because Lewis is the better boxer but Lewis has a HUGE height and weight advantage.

This is also why Roy Jones Jr. will lose to Lewis if they fight. I am sorry, you can't tell me Lewis is a better fighter than RJJ. Lewis just has the size to beat the guy. Once again that isn't the fault of Lewis but you can't judge a fighter just by how many wins he has. You have to look at the whole picture.

EDIT: Another thing, even if Klitschko wins the title, I don't think he will be able to hold on to it. His style and power is why he has beat all the people. Once someone figures out his style then he will be beaten quite easily.

 

[spidey07]

Had to chime in...

Really good fight! I can't remember seeing two heavyweights slugging it out like this. Some of the uppercuts Lewis landed looked like they were gonna take Klitschko's head off.

I do hate to see a fight called because of a cut. Utterly can't stand it. BUT in this instance I feel it was justified. during the fight HBO was zooming in on his corner showing the work to fix the cut. MAN, that was one seriously deep gash. All meaty and fatty.

Lewis was so out of shape it wasn't funny - flat footed and literally falling into his chair when the bell rang. I can't say who would have won but that fight wasn't going to go more the a few more rounds.

Klitschko was robbed but that cut was just WAY too bad. I love to see a rematch.

 

[SP33Demon]

I think Lewis is top ten, but for the reasons stated here previously (size, no contenders in his era) I wouldn't put him top 5. I liken him to Shaq: Both are great, both have size never seen before, and both do not have a measuring stick to compare against. Oh and did I mention, both are arrogant d!ckh3ads?

 

[Hammer]

the more lewis talked after the fight, the more i was disliking him. what an ass.

 

[josphII]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
I think Lewis is top ten, but for the reasons stated here previously (size, no contenders in his era) I wouldn't put him top 5. I liken him to Shaq: Both are great, both have size never seen before, and both do not have a measuring stick to compare against. Oh and did I mention, both are arrogant d!ckh3ads?

ewing, olajuwan, mutombo, david robinson, duncan, morning... what the fvck are you talking about?

damn its obvious from this thread that you people dont know shlt about boxing

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: josphII

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
I think Lewis is top ten, but for the reasons stated here previously (size, no contenders in his era) I wouldn't put him top 5. I liken him to Shaq: Both are great, both have size never seen before, and both do not have a measuring stick to compare against. Oh and did I mention, both are arrogant d!ckh3ads?

ewing, olajuwan, mutombo, david robinson, duncan, morning... what the fvck are you talking about?

damn its obvious from this thread that you people dont know shlt about boxing

Ok, what were Shaq's numbers against the Admiral in the last series? Didn't think so, come again!! Shaq, in his prime, has no equal in the NBA. Mutombo got OWNED by Shaq when LA played Philly a couple years ago in the Finals. Thanks, come again. Olajuwan played against Shaq when Shaq was a rookie, so that doesn't count. By the time Shaq had been in his prime, Hakeem had retired and Ewing was in his last year. Alonzo, he's not even playing!!! Head to head, Shaq still owns Zo, sorry. Duncan?? He's a Power forward, not a TRUE CENTER. Do you seriously think TD can guard Shaq for a whole game??? Right, lay off the crack pipe buddy. Shaq is the most dominant center in the league and has no equal, and hasn't had one for the past 3-4 years. Sure, if you compare Shaq to Ewing, Hakeem, or the Admiral IN THEIR PRIMES then it would be great. That's not the case.