Lexus RX300 or BMW X5??

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mAdD INDIAN

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<< The X5 is not worth its $69K CDN pricetag. I don't like the RX300 either because it looks like a mini-van. Personally I'd go for the QX4 because its cheaper and it probably is more competant offroad than the RX300 and looks better aswell.

BUt is there really a need for a luxury SUV? Just go for the Pathfinder/Highlander/etc.. SUVs in that class.

Luxury SUV = oxymoron
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1) Looks are subjective
2) The QX4 is based on a platform that is old as dirt (dates back to the '96 Pathfinder which came out in '95).
3) Find me someone that takes a luxury SUV off-road
4) The QX4 can't compete with the Lexus or BMW for on-road ride quality and comfort.
5) Infiniti has nothing on Lexus when it comes to resale value/customer service/quality
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1) ok we'll let the looks go...but the RX does look like a minivan
2) just cause the platform is old doesn't mean its bad. Plus the Pathfinder was re-desinged in 2000 I think..so its not that old. Atleast the Pathfinder/QX4 is based ona truck frame rather than a Camry frame.
3) why would they buy a truck with space of a sedan then??
4) Yes it can. The QX4 is smooth and really comfortably.
5) Infinti has better customer service than BMW. They were ranked #1 or #2 in a quality rewiew.

Don't knock it till you've driven it.
 

NFS4

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<< What are you talking about? Excellent customer service is one of the things Infiniti is known for. I'll agree with the poor resale value of Infinitis though. I don't know much about Infiniti's quality rep, but my dad drives a '93 J30 and hasn't had too many problems.

Anyway, if I were your dad Kenazo, I'd go with the Highlander. (After the 4Runner that is )
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Of course Infiniti has good customer service, but Lexus and Saturn rank at the very top (they regularly share the #1 position).

I would also go with the Highlander Limited over the RX300. It is slight larger (longer wheel base, length, more interior/cargo room). Our Limited came with EVERY option but seat warmers which included:

Side airbags
Head airbags
ABS
Vehicle skid protection
220HP V6 engine
Traction control
Keyless
Alarm
Leather
6-disc in-dash CD
Electronic climate control
Fog lamps and color keyed spoiler
Moonroof
Cargo cover
etc, etc
 

NFS4

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<< 1) ok we'll let the looks go...but the RX does look like a minivan
2) just cause the platform is old doesn't mean its bad. Plus the Pathfinder was re-desinged in 2000 I think..so its not that old. Atleast the Pathfinder/QX4 is based ona truck frame rather than a Camry frame.
3) why would they buy a truck with space of a sedan then??
4) Yes it can. The QX4 is smooth and really comfortably.
5) Infinti has better customer service than BMW. They were ranked #1 or #2 in a quality rewiew.
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1) Again, looks are subjective
2) Reskinned with a new interior and engine...same platform. Shows you how much you know...the Pathfiner/QX4 both use a unit body construction. Not a truck frame. The Camry's chassis has proven a compent, smooth rider. Hence it serves as home to the Camry/ES300/Sienna/Highlander/RX300/Avalon/Solara. It's in GREAT company. NEXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXT
3) Sedan's don't have 75 cu ft of cargo space. Or even the 38.8 cu ft that the RX300 offers with the rear seat up.
4) I've driven one, and it is no where as smooth and as planted as the sedan based RX300/Highlander
5) I said Lexus, not BMW

Fuel economy is also pitiful on the QX4; 15/18.
 

Kenazo

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NFS4 - what is the price diff between the Highlander you have and a RX300?

AS for Infiniti, well, they look like crap
 

mAdD INDIAN

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NFS4:
2) Its unit-bdoy frame is more suited to off-roading than the Camry-frame which is suited for comfort. That was my point. And from what I understood, unit-body was used for trucks, correct me if im wrong.

When you say ride comfort you mean on the highway-type comfort? The RX300 would have better since its based on the Camry. THe problem with the RX300 is that it drives like a car. You don't want a SUV that drives like a car. If you wanted a car ride you'd buy a car, if you wanted space, you'd either buy a large car or a stationwagon. My uncle (who I prevously mentioned that bought the QX4) didn't like the RX300 because it drove like the minivan they already had. It didn't have that rugged feel to it and it drove like a car. (that was their complaint).

However for off-roadng the QX4 would be way better. Its 4WD system is also more advanced compared to the Lexus one. Since the QX4 is a SUV (like the RX300, etc..) it would be better. I don't care if people buy SUVs and don't take them off-road, but in my opinion SUVS were designed to go offroad therefore the one that could perform best offroad would be the best one.

You don't want a car like ride, you want a rigid frame that does not flex and therefore transmits the vibrations while it negoitates the terrain.

Personally I wouldn't have gone for the QX4. I wouldn't pay the extra $5k to get better service and wood dash and plus I wouldn't want to get it dirty since its expensive. I'd go for the Pathfinder or the Toyota Land Cruiser or Pajero (but we don't get either in Canada).
 

NFS4

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<< NFS4 - what is the price diff between the Highlander you have and a RX300?

AS for Infiniti, well, they look like crap
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The Highlander we got came to about 32,500. $22,000 after my dad traded in his '97 Ford Explorer XLT. He also plunked down an additional $1,000 for the 6-year warranty. Here, a RX300 optioned about the same will run around $40,000 before dealer dickering.
 

NFS4

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<< NFS4:
2) Its unit-bdoy frame is more suited to off-roading than the Camry-frame which is suited for comfort. That was my point. And from what I understood, unit-body was used for trucks, correct me if im wrong.

When you say ride comfort you mean on the highway-type comfort? The RX300 would have better since its based on the Camry. THe problem with the RX300 is that it drives like a car. You don't want a SUV that drives like a car. If you wanted a car ride you'd buy a car, if you wanted space, you'd either buy a large car or a stationwagon. My uncle (who I prevously mentioned that bought the QX4) didn't like the RX300 because it drove like the minivan they already had. It didn't have that rugged feel to it and it drove like a car. (that was their complaint).

However for off-roadng the QX4 would be way better. Its 4WD system is also more advanced compared to the Lexus one. Since the QX4 is a SUV (like the RX300, etc..) it would be better. I don't care if people buy SUVs and don't take them off-road, but in my opinion SUVS were designed to go offroad therefore the one that could perform best offroad would be the best one.

You don't want a car like ride, you want a rigid frame that does not flex and therefore transmits the vibrations while it negoitates the terrain.

Personally I wouldn't have gone for the QX4. I wouldn't pay the extra $5k to get better service and wood dash and plus I wouldn't want to get it dirty since its expensive. I'd go for the Pathfinder or the Toyota Land Cruiser or Pajero (but we don't get either in Canada).
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Unless Kenazo's dad is gonna be taking the vehicle off-road, I don't think off-roading will be factoring in here. All trucks (pickups) are not unit-based. They use ladder frames, either "U" shapped or fully boxed. Unit-based construction is used on cars and ALL newer car based SUV's. When the Pathfinder/QX4 came out, the only unit based SUV's were it and the Grand Cherokee/Cherokee. Every other SUV was frame-based.

Most people WANT an SUV that drives like a car. Why would you want to pay $35,000 for something that bucks you around after every pothole? That's what's good about the Highlander/RX300. I drove the Highlander for 750 miles up to Baltimore and driving around Baltimore's TERRIBLE city streets. Nary a creak, groan, rattle came through the cockpit and the ride was smooth with muted thuds as the wheels navigated the surface. Out Explorer would shake us to death on the same surfaces. The QX4 tends to hop around on it's rear axle on similar terrain.

As for SUV's vs station wagons, that's up to the BUYER to decide, not us. If they don't want to drive a wagon...more power to them. My dad HATES station wagons. It's all up to the person. Same as to why someone would choose a Focus sedan vs a Focus Wagon or Focus 5-door hatch. It's all up to the person PAYING FOR IT.
 

Kenazo

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Maybe I should have specified exactly what my parents are going to use this for. B/c they live in the country they do alot of highway driving, as well as driving on gravel roads. Also you have to remember they live in the Great White North of Canada, so we get alot of icy/snowy highway conditions in the winter.

So they want a nice ride for the highway, but they want the vehicle to be capable of handling well in bad road conditions, as well as muddy roads etc., which is where the increased height, larger tires etc. of the suv becomes important. However this does not need to be an offroad vehicle as that is what they have the 3/4 ton 4x4 truck for.

I'd be interested if anyone could comment on the resale value of BMW's...
 

NFS4

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<< Maybe I should have specified exactly what my parents are going to use this for. B/c they live in the country they do alot of highway driving, as well as driving on gravel roads. Also you have to remember they live in the Great White North of Canada, so we get alot of icy/snowy highway conditions in the winter.

So they want a nice ride for the highway, but they want the vehicle to be capable of handling well in bad road conditions, as well as muddy roads etc., which is where the increased height, larger tires etc. of the suv becomes important. However this does not need to be an offroad vehicle as that is what they have the 3/4 ton 4x4 truck for.

I'd be interested if anyone could comment on the resale value of BMW's...
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Well a fully fledged rock climbing SUV is of no use to you guys And something like the RX300/Highlander/MDX would do great. They are great all-weather, messy road, highway cruisers.

I have no clue as to the resale value of Bimmers...but I would guess that it would be close or better than.
 

mAdD INDIAN

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Why don't you go for the Subaru Outback or Forrester (not sure about their model names) ?? It fits your needs to a T. Plus its cheaper!



 

Kenazo

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Well the Subaru Outback is a nice AWD car, but it does not have the higher ride height that the X5 and RX300 have. My parents have been driving 3/4 ton trucks and Safari vans for 20 yrs so a car is not comfortable for them.

Anyways, seems like the consensus so far is the RX300 is better bang for the buck, except for a couple posters who just said "X5" like that contributes...I'll let you guys know what ends up happening...
 

SuperTool

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How about Audi allroad quattro. It's better looking and better handling then those other SUV's. And it's lower to the ground, so it prolly rides and corners way better.
 

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mAdD INDIAN:

<< BUt is there really a need for a luxury SUV?

Luxury SUV = oxymoron
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Uhmm, by definition, a "luxury" is not a base need. You buy luxury items because you can and want to, not because you have to.

Otherwise we'd all be driving around in 3-cylinder Metros. I'd much rather have the luxury.
 

NFS4

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<< How about Audi allroad quattro. It's better looking and better handling then those other SUV's. And it's lower to the ground, so it prolly rides and corners way better. >>


The Audi Allroad is a nice vehicle, with a sweet variable height air-supspension. But is is also BLOODY EXPENSIVE!

In US dollars, we're talking $43,000+ for a Tiptronic with the only options being added: leather and moonroof. Add 17" wheels and we're talking almost $45,000.
 

mAdD INDIAN

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<< Well the Subaru Outback is a nice AWD car, but it does not have the higher ride height that the X5 and RX300 have. My parents have been driving 3/4 ton trucks and Safari vans for 20 yrs so a car is not comfortable for them.

Anyways, seems like the consensus so far is the RX300 is better bang for the buck, except for a couple posters who just said "X5" like that contributes...I'll let you guys know what ends up happening...
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Doesn't Subaru have a model that is higher than all the others? Or is that the Outback?

Well either way, goodluck with your choices.
 

BooneRebel

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Which isn't much different than the other vehicles talked about here. Price a Beemer lately?
 

Sachmho

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You don't want a SUV that drives like a car. If you wanted a car ride you'd buy a car

Not really true... most people like having the features of an SUV, i.e. power, looks, cargo, while still maintaining a good ride. I don't think anyone wants their automobile to "drive like an SUV" if it were possible for it to drive like a car. People tend to like comfort, smooth ride, and maneuvaribility...
 

Ryan

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I have had the chance to drive both of them. My parents own the RX300, and my best friend's parents use a their x5 for their business. Out of both of them, I like the lexus better. It handles better, is more comfortable, and IMHO it just looks better. Not to mention that Lexus' is top of the notch when it comes to fixing things.
 

NFS4

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<< I have had the chance to drive both of them. My parents own the RX300, and my best friend's parents use a their x5 for their business. Out of both of them, I like the lexus better. It handles better, is more comfortable, and IMHO it just looks better. Not to mention that Lexus' is top of the notch when it comes to fixing things. >>


Although I have trouble believing that the RX300 handles better than the BMW (actually, it's almost impossible), I agree what the RX300 is the better buy. I don't think that there are many vehicles that can top BMW in their respective categories in handling:

3-Series
5-Series
7-Series
X5
 

BigSmooth

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Like others have said, the RX 300 represents a better overall value than the X5 3.0, so if it was my money that is what I would go with.

I would say to also take a look at the Acura MDX, unfortunately they are in very high demand and are selling for way over MSRP. :Q
 

Ryan

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Well, I like how it handles like a car, now like an SUV. I really can't stand the way SUVs handle, so that's why i said the Lexus handles better.
 
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