So accidently killing an 8 year old is better than purposely killing a terrorist? Got it.
If we've learned anything from eight years of piling on Obama, anyone who dies during any operation the president's involved with makes him a murderer.
fucking moron, Trump did not sign a order and target a 8 year old kid for execution. wtf is wrong with you?
i get it you like warlords killing their own citizens without due process. glad we got that aired out.
fucking moron, Trump did not sign a order and target a 8 year old kid for execution. wtf is wrong with you?
yea, but what's the #alternativefact ?Trump did say he would go after the families of terrorists. This is a fact.
lol +1Well, if you had given our liberal agenda the chance that we wanted, we would have turned all those muslims gay, and maybe we would trans-gender most of them. No more terrorism and hatred with the bonus of even more boutique olive oil dispensaries in your nearby yupsterville.
Ask around and you'll find that laughing at an old lady slipping on ice isn't a sign of high intelligence, it's a sign of assholery. And if some of the people you ask don't answer, they are probably trees.You must have less than 80 IQ then.
I know, I know. I single-handedly made every Trump voter vote for Trump.To explain the situation, you're essentially laughing at him which rather explains his attitude towards it. And as we all know, if anyone is ever mean to a conservative, they become wholly responsibly for anything the latter is liable to do.
How about missing the point and expressing moral outrage about a simple hypothetical example? Are those signs of high intelligence?lol +1
Sometimes I forget to look at the big picture.
Sorry - I mean the yuuuge picture.
Ask around and you'll find that laughing at an old lady slipping on ice isn't a sign of high intelligence, it's a sign of assholery. And if some of the people you ask don't answer, they are probably trees.
Another person who didn't bother to read the title of this topic.What anti-gay executive orders are you referring to? The ones that are a figment of the imagination of Trump haters?
If signed, the order would create wholesale exemptions for people and organizations who claim religious objections to same-sex marriage, premarital sex, abortion, and trans identity.
In particular, said Lupu, the draft order “privileges” a certain set of beliefs about sexual orientation and gender identity—beliefs identified most closely with conservative Catholics and evangelical Christians—over others. That, he said, goes beyond “what RFRA might authorize” and may violate the Establishment Clause.
Executive Order—Establishing a Government-Wide Initiative to Respect Religious Freedom
EXECUTIVE ORDER
Establishing a Government-Wide Initiative to Respect Religious Freedom
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, in order to guide the executive branch in formulating and implementing policies with implications for the religious freedom of persons and organizations in America, and to further compliance with the Constitution, applicable statutes, and other legal authorities, it is hereby ordered:
Section 1. Policy. The United States Constitution enshrines and protects the fundamental natural right to religious liberty. This Constitutional protection ensures that Americans and their religious organizations will not be coerced by the Federal Government into participating in activities that violate their consciences, and will remain free to express their viewpoints without suffering adverse treatment from the Federal Government. It shall be the policy of this Administration to protect religious freedom.
Sec. 2. Definitions. For purposes of this order:
(a) “Person” shall have the same definition as “person” in 1 U.S.C. 1.
(b) “Religious exercise” includes all aspects of religious observance and practice, as well as belief, and includes any act or any refusal to act that is motivated by a sincerely held religious belief, whether or not the act is required or compelled by, or central to, a system of religious belief.
(c) “Religious organization” shall be construed broadly to encompass any organization, including closely held for-profit corporations, operated for a religious purpose, even if its purpose is not exclusively religious, and is not limited to houses of worship or tax-exempt organizations, or organizations controlled by or associated with a house of worship or a convention or association of churches.
Sec. 3 Religious Freedom Principles and Policymaking Criteria. All executive branch departments and agencies (“agencies”) shall, to the greatest extent practicable and permitted by law, adhere to the following principles and criteria when formulating and implementing regulations, actions, or policies:
(a) Religious freedom is not confined to religious organizations or limited to religious exercise that takes place in houses of worship or the home. It is guaranteed to persons of all faiths and extends to all activities of life.
(b) Persons and organizations do not forfeit their religious freedom when providing social services, education, or healthcare; earning a living, seeking a job, or employing others; receiving government grants or contracts: or otherwise participating in the marketplace, the public square, or interfacing with Federal, State or local governments.
(c) As required by religious freedom laws such as the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, 42 U.S.C. 2000bb et seq. (“RFRA”) and the religious provisions of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, 42 U.S.C. 20003 et seq., agencies shall faithfully discharge their duty to accommodate the religion of federal employees and shall not promulgate regulations, take actions, or enact policies that substantially burden a person’s or religious organization’s religious exercise unless the imposition represents the least restrictive means of furthering a compelling governmental interest. Regulations, actions, or policies shall not be deemed “compelling” simply by virtue of their having been applied neutrally, broadly, or across the Federal Government.
Sec. 4. Specific agency Responsibilities to Avoid Potential Violation of Religious Freedom
(a) The Secretaries of Health and Human Services, Labor, and Treasury shall immediately issue an interim final rule that exempts from the preventative-care mandate set forth in 42 U.S.C. 300gg-13(a)(4) all persons and religious organizations that object to complying with the mandate for religious or moral reasons.
(b) The Secretary of Health and Human Services shall take appropriate actions, through mechanisms to ensure compliance with existing statutory and other protections, if necessary, to ensure that any individuals purchasing health insurance in the individual market (whether through a federally facilitated exchange, a state-sponsored health insurance exchange, or otherwise) has the ability to purchase health insurance that does not provide coverage for abortion and does not subsidize plans that do provide such coverage.
(c) The Secretary of Health and human Services shall take all appropriate actions to ensure that the Federal Government shall not discriminate or take any adverse action against a religious organization that provides federally-funded child-welfare services, including promoting or providing adoption, foster, or family support services for children, or similar services, on the basis that the organization declines to provide , facilitate, or refer such services due to a conflict with the organization’s religious beliefs. The Secretary of Health and human Services shall, where authorized by law, promptly propose for notice and comment new regulations consistent with this policy.
(d) All agencies shall, with respect to any person, house of worship, or religious organization that is a recipient of or offeror for a Federal Government contract, subcontract, grant, purchase order, or cooperative agreement, provide protections and exceptions consistent with sections 702(a) and 703(e) of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (42 U.S.C. 20003-I(a) and 2000e-2(e)) and section 103(d) of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (42 U.S.C. 12113(d)). The Secretary of Labor shall, where authorized by law, promptly propose for notice and comment new regulations consistent with this policy.
(e) The Secretary of the Treasury shall ensure that the Department of the Treasury shall not impose any tax or tax penalty, delay or deny tax-exempt status, or disallow tax deductions for contributions made under 26 U.S.C. 501(c)(3), or otherwise make unavailable or deny any tax benefits to any person, church, synagogue, house of worship or other religious organization.
(1) on the basis of such person or organization speaking on moral or political issues from a religious perspective where religious speech of similar character has, consistent with law, not ordinarily been treated as an intervention in a political campaign by the Department of the Treasury, or
(2) on the basis that such person or organization believes, speaks, or acts (or declines to act) in accordance with the belief that marriage is or should be recognized as the union of one man and one woman, sexual relations are properly reserved for such a marriage, male and female and their equivalents refer to an individual’s immutable biological sex as objectively determined by anatomy, physiology, or genetics at or before birth, and that human life begins at conception and merits protection at all stages of life.
The Secretary of the Treasury and the Commissioner of Internal Revenue shall, where authorized by law, promptly propose for notice and comment new regulations consistent with this policy.
(b) No agency shall, to the extent allowed by law, not recognize any decisions or findings made by any federally-recognized accrediting body that revokes or denies accreditation to, or otherwise disadvantages, a religious organization on the basis that such organization believes, speaks, or acts (or declines to act) in accordance with a belief described in section 4(e)(2) of this order.
(g) No agency shall exclude or otherwise make unavailable or deny any person or religious organization admission or access to charitable fundraising campaigns on the basis that such person or organization believes, speaks, or acts (or declines to act) in accordance with the beliefs described in Section 4(e)(2) of this order.
(k) No agency shall take adverse action against any person or religious organization that is a Federal employee, contractor, or grantee on the basis of their speaking or acting in accordance with the beliefs described in section 4(e)(2) of this order while outside the scope of their employment, contract, or grant, and shall reasonably accommodate such speech and action when made within the course of their employment, contract, or grant. This provision shall not be construed to diminish or otherwise limit any other protection provided by this order.
(l) The Attorney General shall establish with the Department of Justice a Section or working group that will ensure that the religious freedom of persons and religious organizations is protected throughout the United States, and shall investigate and, if necessary, take or coordinate appropriate action under applicable religious freedom laws.
Sec. 5. General Provisions.
(a) All agencies shall promptly withdraw or rescind any rulings, directives, regulations, guidance, positions, or interpretations that are inconsistent with this order to the extent of their inconsistency.
(b) The provisions of this order shall prevail in cases of conflict with any existing executive order and with any future executive order unless such future order explicitly refers to, and limited or excludes, the application of this order.
(c) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect (i) the authority granted by law to an agency, or the head thereof, or ii) the functions of the OMB Director relating to budget, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(d) This order shall be carried out subject to the availability of appropriations and to the extent permitted by law.
(e) This order does not create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies or instrumentalities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
Trump can't nullify federal anti-discrimination laws with an executive order. Let's hope this draft gets vetted by lawyers and he tones it down before issuing it.
That doesn't seem to be holding him back on any other EO.
I'll repeat: It can't be a "Muslim" ban since only a small fraction of Muslims reside in the affected countries. The vast majority of Muslims (+90%) live in countries that are unaffected.
It's not a "ban" either. Merely, some countries are having more stringent vetting applied.
I've not previously heard what Giuliani said. This would be the first. In any case, what he said, assuming he did, is irrelevant because we have the facts. You can't ban "Muslims" unless you include a bunch of other countries. +90% of Muslims aren't even subject to the stricter requirements.
You people have gone around the bend.
Fern
yea, but what's the #alternativefact ?
Second piece of good news for the night (after the travel ban was halted in court), it appears that Ivanka and Jared persuaded Trump to not go forward with the anti-LGBT order.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/03/us/politics/lgbt-rights-ivanka-trump-jared-kushner.html?_r=0
My first thought on this is that people on the left should reconsider the boycott of Ivanka's clothing line and other products. If she's more popular and Trump's approvals are flagging, he'll cling to her to gain popularity by proximity. And she seems like a moderating influence here.
Funny how treating people with dignity and respect — enabling them to be hard-working — is somehow "liberal" these days.She and her husband are "establishment liberals" who are perfectly willing to use Trump's election for their own interests and this really is a pretty small issue in the scheme of things.
So what do you do with hermaphrodites?
well she's not the president, she can influence on the small stuff, but immigration was a big campaign issue so what do you expect?She and her husband are "establishment liberals" who are perfectly willing to use Trump's election for their own interests and this really is a pretty small issue in the scheme of things.
If the story is true, that's nice but what about, say, banning the entry of *all* refugees to the country for 4 months. Any peeps out them? Not that I've heard. The attempts to disrupt the European Union? The attempts to disrupt NATO?
Strikes me that this is actually a pretty nice bit of publicity for her and her dad and her husband. 'See, we're not really monsters. We like the gays'. Seems a bit of a convenient leak at a very useful moment in time. <shrug>
well she's not the president, she can influence on the small stuff, but immigration was a big campaign issue so what do you expect?
There has been no attempted disruption to the EU or NATO yet, just twitter talk. The actions on the ground look like he's doubling down on traditional US military behaviour.
exactly, it's all words, hearsay, he said she said, there is not ONE concrete action in that list of links.No disruption of the EU?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/02/european-union-trump-ambassador-ted-malloch-parliament
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...reminder-united-we-stand-divided-we-fall.html
http://www.dw.com/en/merkel-on-trump-the-eu-can-take-care-of-itself/a-37148057
NATO?
https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/07/trump-nato/492341/
exactly, it's all words, hearsay, he said she said, there is not ONE concrete action in that list of links.
Or, you can provide an example of a concrete action. Like removing soldiers from Europe and closing down bases, or giving money to anti-EU lobbyists or parties. Except there isn't any.continue to
then maybe you can finish off