Libby Indicted, resigns

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
That would be hillarious if some of these Bushies ended up in prison, got gangraped, and ended up dying of AIDS. Imagine Carl Rove dying of AIDS after a guy named Big Gay Al got him.

You are one mentally disturbed person.

Sadly your charge is leveled at a person taking delight in what American prisons are famous for instead of the fact that this is the fate of many prisoners in America. Sounds like to me that the proper charge is that there is something sick about America that it builds and tolerates such a system. For what other reason can this be true than the delight in punishment? And which party, my dear Corn, is the party that can't get enough prisons and punishment? I think WS has simply disturbed our own mental illness which we just project back on him, no? He's just fantasizing how nice it would be to be hoist by your own petard.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
That would be hillarious if some of these Bushies ended up in prison, got gangraped, and ended up dying of AIDS. Imagine Carl Rove dying of AIDS after a guy named Big Gay Al got him.

You are one mentally disturbed person.

Sadly your charge is leveled at a person taking delight in what American prisons are famous for instead of the fact that this is the fate of many prisoners in America. Sounds like to me that the proper charge is that there is something sick about America that it builds and tolerates such a system. For what other reason can this be true than the delight in punishment? And which party, my dear Corn, is the party that can't get enough prisons and punishment? I think WS has simply disturbed our own mental illness which we just project back on him, no? He's just fantasizing how nice it would be to be hoist by your own petard.

Yep, distract from the person's responsibility while trying to blame America. How nice.

I love how some people just love to blame America for what people do, as if that absolves them of anything or gives them license to be morally repugnant.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Pabster

I'm asking if a burden of proof has to met to say "knowingly".

Yes, the prosecutor would be required to prove that the statement was made knowingly. That said, since Libby was under oath, the prosecutor can ask the jury to infer that it was (particularly since, as I observed above, he is an attorney, and the testimony wasn't about some tangential issue - it was related directly to the core of the case).

Moreover, the only way he can really raise this defense is to testify to that effect, which could potentially lead to yet another perjury charge.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Pabster

I don't read US News (&WR, I assume) ... what were they speculating Cheney could be indicted on?

They really didn't speculate on what the indictment would be for. I presume (and this is my own inference) that since Libby allegedly lied to the GJ about VP Cheney telling him about Valerie Plame, the charge, if any, would relate to VP Cheney deliberately conspiring to leak her CIA status. At this point it doesn't appear a Cheney indictment is likely, and I'm not trying to fan the flame - this was just a rumor that UNWR reported. I regard them as a relatively credible source, but obviously they were only reporting a rumor, not stating as fact that Cheney was facing indictment.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
I the end none of this truly matters for squat.

Presidential pardon anyone?

Politcs as usual. If you can steal classified documents from the national archives and destroy them with just getting a hefty fine, no one in this case will see any time.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: rudder
Politcs as usual. If you can steal classified documents from the national archives and destroy them with just getting a hefty fine, no one in this case will see any time.

Exactly.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
I the end none of this truly matters for squat.

Presidential pardon anyone?

Politcs as usual. If you can steal classified documents from the national archives and destroy them with just getting a hefty fine, no one in this case will see any time.

It does bring up an interesting debate about presidential pardons and political favors. But I think that deserves its own thread.

Personally I find presidential pardons an abuse of power.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
That would be hillarious if some of these Bushies ended up in prison, got gangraped, and ended up dying of AIDS. Imagine Carl Rove dying of AIDS after a guy named Big Gay Al got him.

You are one mentally disturbed person.

Sadly your charge is leveled at a person taking delight in what American prisons are famous for instead of the fact that this is the fate of many prisoners in America. Sounds like to me that the proper charge is that there is something sick about America that it builds and tolerates such a system. For what other reason can this be true than the delight in punishment? And which party, my dear Corn, is the party that can't get enough prisons and punishment? I think WS has simply disturbed our own mental illness which we just project back on him, no? He's just fantasizing how nice it would be to be hoist by your own petard.

Yep, distract from the person's responsibility while trying to blame America. How nice.

I love how some people just love to blame America for what people do, as if that absolves them of anything or gives them license to be morally repugnant.

I see, but you have no problem deflecting the truth of what I said back to the person you, in your lack of capacity for holistic seeing, wish to focus on. Hehe, it's nice to see you practice what you preach against. And if you have any capacity for curiosity at all you might note that I was not defending WS, but pointing out to Corn the larger context he should find disgusting. How is there a difference in taking delight in a fantasy while not being also completely disgusted by the fact that fantasy is built on an actual reality; one that you and Corn seem to turn a blind eye to? If anything, WS is just you in the mirror. But I know how completely and totally appalled you and Corn are with yourselves and all that hate has to land somewhere.

I also personally posted, on numerous occasions here that we need to wait for actual indictments before going off the deep end and then convictions before assuming guilt. I don't like the fact we got lots of knives and forks and gotta stab something.

Now, are you happy that people who go to prison in America face a real threat of being raped by their cell mate? Hum? Are you disgusting like the poster you wish to defame even though his was more delight in an irony?

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
That would be hillarious if some of these Bushies ended up in prison, got gangraped, and ended up dying of AIDS. Imagine Carl Rove dying of AIDS after a guy named Big Gay Al got him.

You are one mentally disturbed person.

Sadly your charge is leveled at a person taking delight in what American prisons are famous for instead of the fact that this is the fate of many prisoners in America. Sounds like to me that the proper charge is that there is something sick about America that it builds and tolerates such a system. For what other reason can this be true than the delight in punishment? And which party, my dear Corn, is the party that can't get enough prisons and punishment? I think WS has simply disturbed our own mental illness which we just project back on him, no? He's just fantasizing how nice it would be to be hoist by your own petard.

Yep, distract from the person's responsibility while trying to blame America. How nice.

I love how some people just love to blame America for what people do, as if that absolves them of anything or gives them license to be morally repugnant.

I see, but you have no problem deflecting the truth of what I said back to the person you, in your lack of capacity for holistic seeing, wish to focus on. Hehe, it's nice to see you practice what you preach against. And if you have any capacity for curiosity at all you might note that I was not defending WS, but pointing out to Corn the larger context he should find disgusting. How is there a difference in taking delight in a fantasy while not being also completely disgusted by the fact that fantasy is built on an actual reality; one that you and Corn seem to turn a blind eye to? If anything, WS is just you in the mirror. But I know how completely and totally appalled you and Corn are with yourselves and all that hate has to land somewhere.

I also personally posted, on numerous occasions here that we need to wait for actual indictments before going off the deep end and then convictions before assuming guilt. I don't like the fact we got lots of knives and forks and gotta stab something.

Now, are you happy that people who go to prison in America face a real threat of being raped by their cell mate? Hum? Are you disgusting like the poster you wish to defame even though his was more delight in an irony?

Hardly. The deflection from the point was from you. Your "holistic" only view diverted attention away from the person making the morally repugnant statements. Society nor America doesn't change the repugnance of his statement, nor does it absolve him of responsibility. You people who only view things as "holistic" do much damage to personal responsibilty when you provide people this means of escape. Where does your "holistic" view stop? Why not blame the world? Why just America? I think we all know the answer to that one.

Anyway, if you wish to discuss societal issues, then I suggest you present your argument in a thread discussing such things instead of diverting attention away from what was specifically being addressed.

Wishing for pain, death, etc these people is morally repugnant no matter how much you try to divert attention from it or attempt to provide cover for it. You see, there are moral absolutes in this world, but for some reason it seems there are some people like you who want to skip over that part in your so-called search for the "holistic" view. Not everything needs that view, and this case is a good example of one that doesn't need it here. Again, if you wish to address it holisitcally, I have no problems with you attempting to make an argument, but it doesn't have a place in this thread, except for diversion.

No, why would I be "happy"? The only one who seems to be happy is WS, despite your continued attempts to provide him cover. Irony? Give me a break. It's repugnant regardless of how you try to spin it.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Breaking news on Yahoo.....Leak documents to be released!!

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Sooo... 22 months and what did we get? A charge of misleading a jury. Wow. It's so anti-climactic, in fact, that this thread only took about 50 posts to devolve into a debate over prison rape.

Good going.

 

[Pabster]

LOL

 

[OrByte]

guess that means Rove did nothing wrong. good for him.

after 22 months, if the case isn't strong against him he shouldn't face any charges...sounds like the system is working on this one.

Dems don't lose, they dont have anything to lose. The administration still loses, they are the ones under investigation, and continue to be under investigation.

Repubs don't lose, they still got their man (Rove) in the white house.

all is well.

 

[NFS4]

Libby indicted **CONFIRMED**

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Libby indicted **CONFIRMED**

whoops, I guess all isn't well. So Libby lied, he covered up something said between himself and Cheney. So does that mean the seat gets a little hotter under Dick Cheney?

 

[eilute]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Ah, but that's what this whole thing has been. From the sounds of it, there aren't any indictments about this so-called "leak", but rather a perjury charge. So what it means in the end is that all this whining from the hardcore left over this has proved to be nothing.

I wonder how some people are going to be able to handle the news that there wasn't anything to the so-called "leak" BS..

hmmmmnmm...lying to a grand jury, obstruciton of justice and perjury. It's not like his wife is going to divorce him. It looks like a cover up to me.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: eilute

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Ah, but that's what this whole thing has been. From the sounds of it, there aren't any indictments about this so-called "leak", but rather a perjury charge. So what it means in the end is that all this whining from the hardcore left over this has proved to be nothing.

I wonder how some people are going to be able to handle the news that there wasn't anything to the so-called "leak" BS..

hmmmmnmm...lying to a grand jury, obstruciton of justice and perjury. It's not like his wife is going to divorce him. It looks like a cover up to me.

At least that only took what, 2 posts for the conspiracy theorists to weigh in lmao.

If there was a case regarding a leak somebody would have been indicted on it. Right now it appears perjury and obstruction of justice is all that will come of this.

Be interesting to see if the charges stick.

 

[RightIsWrong]

It's a 5 count indictment....I would say chances of something "sticking" seem to be pretty good.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
It's a 5 count indictment....I would say chances of something "sticking" seem to be pretty good.

Hard to say and we will find out over the next few months or years as the trial progress's.
Unless of course he pleads guilty then it goes away quickly. Something that could happen if you think about it.

Not much of a story if the story ends right away.

 

[NFS4]

LIBBY JUST RESIGNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: NFS4
LIBBY JUST RESIGNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not unexpected. Bush said anybody indicted has to go.

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: NFS4
LIBBY JUST RESIGNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not unexpected. Bush said anybody indicted has to go.

Nicely orchestrated. I wonder if Fitzgerald helped.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: NFS4
LIBBY JUST RESIGNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No joy from me, only joy would be if it said Bush resigned.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: NFS4
LIBBY JUST RESIGNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No joy from me, only joy would be if it said Bush resigned.

We all know there is no pleasing you.

Get what you want and you will find something new to piss and moan about.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

I truly believe that Bush needs to clean house, fire his entire staff and rehire good, honest, qualified people. No more cronies, lackies, or college buddies. This is his chance to pick himself up again and make something of his lackluster second term. Sadly, this will probably never happen.