Libby Indicted, resigns

[racebannon]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
notice how Pabster is all of a sudden silent....hehe. at least he's not making a further fool of himself.

Unlike you, I don't spend the entirety of my time parroting around Internet message boards.

How many goddamn times since 8am have you posted in this 1 thread? 20 times? 30 times?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Pabster
I wonder how many here have read the actual indictment.

I wonder if you saw Fitzpatrick's news conference? Libby was also indicted for obtruction of justice. All of the charges are felonies. Fitzpatrick said lying to cover up misdeeds goes to the heart of our justice system, and it applies to every citizen, regardless of their position. I agree.

I find the perjury and false statement allegations pretty laughable.

Is that why you were in favor of letting Clinton off the hook? That's what got him nailed.

The Republicans chased Clinton for failure to return his fly to its full upright position after Monica blew his ummm... jets. :shocked:

Libby and others blew more than that. They blew the identity of a covert CIA agent. There is no dispute that her identity as a CIA agent was classified at the time. It doesn't matter how high that classification goes. It isn't their place to determine which covert agent does or doesn't warrant the protection defined by the law. :|

Unlike you, I don't spend the entirety of my time parroting around Internet message boards.

That's beacause you never have anything credible to say. All you do is throw verbal turds at anyone who doesn't happen to suck up to the Bushwhacko's bushwit, but you STILL haven't provided any links to support anything you say.

In other words, you're still all mouth and no balls. :laugh:

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Aegeon
You're just making a fool of yourself at this point. The indictment is about Libby lying twice to FBI investigators and twice in front of a grand jury.

Um, "Fool", what is he accused of lying to FBI investigators and the Grand Jury about? Have you even read the indictment, or are you talking out your arse? Or perhaps you're having trouble comprehending it?

You're just an utter fool digging yourself deeper into a hole at this point.

See paragraph number 26 of the indictment for the detailing of when and how exactly Libby lied to two FBI officials on two seperate occasions. The detailing of the various ways Libby lied to the grand jury and when he did so is detailed on pages 11-14 of the indictment.
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/documents/libby_indictment_28102005.pdf

The fact I'm actually having to argue these points is mindblowing!

I'm expecting that you are going to try arguing that "Scooter" Libby has not actually resigned next...

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Or perhaps you're having trouble comprehending it?

By the way I think I'll elaborate a bit more on this point and the irony of you making it. When four pages of 22 page indictment specifically exclusively cover when and how Libby lied to the grand jury, and you somehow miss this that's amazing. It suggests that you literally actually didn't read the whole indictment, or you have severe reading comprehension problems. I'd seriously suggest you might want to take classes to work on improving your reading comprehension if its the second case.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Harvey
I wonder if you saw Fitzpatrick's news conference? Libby was also indicted for obtruction of justice. All of the charges are felonies. Fitzpatrick said lying to cover up misdeeds goes to the heart of our justice system, and it applies to every citizen, regardless of their position. I agree.

Yeah, the one where Fitz looked like he was prosecuting a murder case

Is that why you were in favor of letting Clinton off the hook? That's what got him nailed.

Too bad they let him off the hook?

Libby and others blew more than that. They blew the identity of a covert CIA agent. There is no dispute that her identity as a CIA agent was classified at the time. It doesn't matter how high that classification goes. It isn't their place to determine which covert agent does or doesn't warrant the protection defined by the law. :|

Sorry, that's just not true. Fitzgerald admitted that he never attempted to indict, nor did he ever imply, Libby outing a CIA agent. There's no evidence to support those claims.

That's beacause you never have anything credible to say. All you do is throw verbal turds at anyone who doesn't happen to suck up to the Bushwhacko's bushwit, but you STILL haven't provided any links to support anything you say.

I'm still waiting for links from your last trolling fest, Harvey.

In other words, you're still all mouth and no balls. :laugh:

See above.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Aegeon
See paragraph number 26 of the indictment for the detailing of when and how exactly Libby lied two FBI officials on two seperate occasions. The detailing of the various ways Libby lied to the grand jury and when he did so is detailed on pages 11-14 of the indictment.
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/documents/libby_indictment_28102005.pdf

The fact I'm actually having to argue these points is mindblowing!

I'm expecting that you are going to try arguing that "Scooter" Libby has not actually resigned next...

And I'll ask you again. Would you like to answer on two of those charges what Libby is accused of lying about? Ding-Ding-Ding - why, it is to Tim Russert during MTP. Like I stated ORIGINALLY, and you tried to deny. There are others. But I never said there weren't. You need to read before stuffing your foot in your mouth.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: Pabster
And I'll ask you again. Would you like to answer on two of those charges what Libby is accused of lying about? Ding-Ding-Ding - why, it is to Tim Russert during MTP. Like I stated ORIGINALLY, and you tried to deny. There are others. But I never said there weren't. You need to read before stuffing your foot in your mouth.

Uh, that's kind of ignoring significant details such as Libby hearing about Valerie Plame working for the CIA from sources such as Dick Cheney first, instead of first hearing about it from three reporters on different occassions as he claimed in front of a grand jury. In fact, the testimony of all three reporters contradicted Libby account of hearing the info from them. Basically that's a minor part of the total set of charges, and certainly NOT what you claimed previously.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: Pabster
And I'll ask you again. Would you like to answer on two of those charges what Libby is accused of lying about? Ding-Ding-Ding - why, it is to Tim Russert during MTP. Like I stated ORIGINALLY, and you tried to deny. There are others. But I never said there weren't. You need to read before stuffing your foot in your mouth.

Uh, that's kind of ignoring significant details such as Libby hearing about Valerie Plame working for the CIA from sources such as Dick Cheney first, instead of first hearing about it from three reporters on different occassions as he claimed in front of a grand jury. In fact, the testimony of all three reporters contradicted Libby account of hearing the info from them. Basically that's a minor part of the total set of charges, and certainly NOT what you claimed previously.

Ding ding ding! Furthermore, it doesn't matter whether it was a phone call, or MTP.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: Gaard
It's hilarious how some here are apologists to the end.

I agree. It's looking like alot of people aren't happy that it was only Libby and that it had nothing to do with the so-called "leak". Well, i'm quite sure that those people will continue to be disappointed because they've put so much into claiming that there was a crime in telling the truth about Wilson, his wife, and his trip.

Where do you lying sacks come up with this sh!t. This is a story about an attempt to fabricate lies and put them forth as justifications that would permit the President to send thousands of Americans to their deaths in a Neocon ideologically conceived New American Century War and US business model domination of the world based on the assessment that only imminent danger would galvanize the American people to get it on.

It was for that reason that a separate Iraq intelligence agency was set up in the basement of the White House designed to gin up all sorts of fabrications about WMD including the purchase form an Italian General of known forgeries about yellow cake uranium and pass them of to the people as a nuke in their back yard. And it was this massive, organized effort to swindle the American of its lives and treasury out or terror and fear that cause the admin to go after Wilson. His probing was threatening to blow the entire lid on this corruption. They were counting on the fact that so so many Americans, once suckered, would chose to deny it happened and dream on about how we saved the Iraqi people and ourselves from WMD. The saw that their is a fool born every minute is a vast underestimation. The only hope this nation has is with people like this Fitzgerald and not the Bush administration where Democracy is something you secretly work to get around.

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
It's looking like alot of people aren't happy that it was only Libby and that it had nothing to do with the so-called "leak". Well, i'm quite sure that those people will continue to be disappointed because they've put so much into claiming that there was a crime in telling the truth about Wilson, his wife, and his trip.

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
So again, it'll be interesting to see how the fringe left handles not "getting" their man Rove or having a real indictment over the so-called "leak"

:laugh:
Keep it up!

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
With all due respect to BBond, I don't think he represents Liberals or the Left in any way, shape, or form. Nobody here, besides him, has said anything negative about Fitzgerald.

Sure he does. The fringe left. Much like Pat Robertson represents the fringe right.

So BBond has built a multi-million dollar world-wide following of millions and has used that following as leverage to gain access and influence to the highest levels of government, including a personal relationship with the President of the United States?

Its nice he could stop by little old ATPN to drop a few posts from Air Force One.


:roll:

 

[Tangerines]

Why can't we all just get along? :beer:

 

[Eos]

"Scooter has worked tirelessly on behalf of the American people and sacrificed much in the service to this country," Bush said. "In our system, each individual is presumed innocent and entitled to due process and a fair trial." - GWB

Two words, daddy's boy; Jose Padilla...

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

A fair and lengthy trial is about the worst thing the Bush administration could ask for. At this point Libby is nothing more than a cancerous growth that needs to be cut off and removed. If Bush defends this man to his seemingly assured end, he will only fall further (if that's possible at this point). The case for defending Libby is one that no lawyer would particularly want. Mark my words, he will be found guilty.

 

[mylok]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Aegeon
See paragraph number 26 of the indictment for the detailing of when and how exactly Libby lied two FBI officials on two seperate occasions. The detailing of the various ways Libby lied to the grand jury and when he did so is detailed on pages 11-14 of the indictment.
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/documents/libby_indictment_28102005.pdf

The fact I'm actually having to argue these points is mindblowing!

I'm expecting that you are going to try arguing that "Scooter" Libby has not actually resigned next...

And I'll ask you again. Would you like to answer on two of those charges what Libby is accused of lying about? Ding-Ding-Ding - why, it is to Tim Russert during MTP. Like I stated ORIGINALLY, and you tried to deny. There are others. But I never said there weren't. You need to read before stuffing your foot in your mouth.

Pabster you dont know what the hell you are talking about. It was a conversation with Tim Russert on July 10th or 11th 2003 not on MTP (page 9 paragraph 26). If it was on MTP it would be very easy to prove that Tim Russert asked Libby about Wilsons wife because there would be freaking video of it.

Libby stated to FBI special agents and stated it again before the grand jury that Tim Russert asked him if he was aware that Wilsons wife worked for the CIA. Tim Russert has stated this did not happen so Libby lied. Now since you seem to think it was on a MTP (stupid quote from Pabster "There was no phone call with Russert, the dispute is over a television interview on Meet The Press.") maybe you can dig up the video or a transcript of the broadcast. I am sure Libby would love to have a copy of this since it would help his defense (good luck finding it because it does NOT exist). I would suggest you read the indictment as this is one of the items Libby is in trouble over and it is clear you did not read it, missed it or do not understand it.

 

[DealMonkey]

Libby is a dirty little liar. It started when he started fabricating "evidence" against Iraq and it ended with these indictments. And yet all we hear is how "great of a man" Scooter is from the GOP. That is telling indeed.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Aegeon
Uh, that's kind of ignoring significant details such as Libby hearing about Valerie Plame working for the CIA from sources such as Dick Cheney first, instead of first hearing about it from three reporters on different occassions as he claimed in front of a grand jury. In fact, the testimony of all three reporters contradicted Libby account of hearing the info from them. Basically that's a minor part of the total set of charges, and certainly NOT what you claimed previously.

You are backpedaling (shock, shock)

I never made any statements or claims about the other circumstances claimed in the indictment. I was speaking strictly about the sections which relate Libby and Russert talking on MTP about the events in question. You tried to deny it.

Some have claimed it was a telephone call. Perhaps that was your claim? The way you put it was that Russert and Libby's conversation had nothing to do with the indictment, which is clearly false.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Aegeon
Uh, that's kind of ignoring significant details such as Libby hearing about Valerie Plame working for the CIA from sources such as Dick Cheney first, instead of first hearing about it from three reporters on different occassions as he claimed in front of a grand jury. In fact, the testimony of all three reporters contradicted Libby account of hearing the info from them. Basically that's a minor part of the total set of charges, and certainly NOT what you claimed previously.

You are backpedaling (shock, shock)

I never made any statements or claims about the other circumstances claimed in the indictment. I was speaking strictly about the sections which relate Libby and Russert talking on MTP about the events in question. You tried to deny it.

Some have claimed it was a telephone call. Perhaps that was your claim? The way you put it was that Russert and Libby's conversation had nothing to do with the indictment, which is clearly false.

the only one backpedaling is you. you've just had about 4-5 people disprove your ridiculous statements, so do us all a favor and zip it.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Aegeon
Uh, that's kind of ignoring significant details such as Libby hearing about Valerie Plame working for the CIA from sources such as Dick Cheney first, instead of first hearing about it from three reporters on different occassions as he claimed in front of a grand jury. In fact, the testimony of all three reporters contradicted Libby account of hearing the info from them. Basically that's a minor part of the total set of charges, and certainly NOT what you claimed previously.

You are backpedaling (shock, shock)

I never made any statements or claims about the other circumstances claimed in the indictment. I was speaking strictly about the sections which relate Libby and Russert talking on MTP about the events in question. You tried to deny it.

Some have claimed it was a telephone call. Perhaps that was your claim? The way you put it was that Russert and Libby's conversation had nothing to do with the indictment, which is clearly false.

No one cares that it was MTP and not a phone call. It is irrelevent.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Aegeon
Uh, that's kind of ignoring significant details such as Libby hearing about Valerie Plame working for the CIA from sources such as Dick Cheney first, instead of first hearing about it from three reporters on different occassions as he claimed in front of a grand jury. In fact, the testimony of all three reporters contradicted Libby account of hearing the info from them. Basically that's a minor part of the total set of charges, and certainly NOT what you claimed previously.

You are backpedaling (shock, shock)

I never made any statements or claims about the other circumstances claimed in the indictment. I was speaking strictly about the sections which relate Libby and Russert talking on MTP about the events in question. You tried to deny it.

Some have claimed it was a telephone call. Perhaps that was your claim? The way you put it was that Russert and Libby's conversation had nothing to do with the indictment, which is clearly false.

No one cares that it was MTP and not a phone call. It is irrelevent.

seriously this guy literally lives on another planet. reminds of riprorin in a lot of ways. show the guy evidence that contradicts everything he says and he either up and runs away or keeps defending his already disproven stance.

 

[mylok]

If Libby would have told the truth he would not have been indicted at all and Fitzgerald would not have been able to release any info on this whole matter. After reading the indictment Fitzgerald has Libby by the short and curleys and it is not just Libbys word against reporters (read the indictment there are government officials that have a different story than Libby). Libby will either roll over on someone (whoever Official A is) or he will be convicted.

The right wants to make this out as laughable and the media wants to make this out as complicated but it is very serious and very simple. I do not understand why Libby lied since if he would have told the truth he would be in the clear. It would be very tough to prove why she was outed and make no mistake she was outed that is why Fitzgerald's gave his little intro about all of us being harmed. If you read the indictment and listened to Fitzgerald's press conference it is very clear what happened everything except why Libby made up the story he did.

Anyone have any ideas on why Libby would have lied? I am sure he is not stupid so it really makes no sense. Make no mistake though he DID lie, its either that or everyone else (and not just reporters) is lying.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
the only one backpedaling is you. you've just had about 4-5 people disprove your ridiculous statements, so do us all a favor and zip it.

How about you quit trolling?

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: mylok
Anyone have any ideas on why Libby would have lied? I am sure he is not stupid so it really makes no sense. Make no mistake though he DID lie, its either that or everyone else (and not just reporters) is lying.

That's what doesn't make sense.

Libby is a lawyer, he isn't stupid.

Why would you perjure yourself to the Grand Jury and then come in and hand over your own handwritten notes that contradict the testimony you've given? It just doesn't add up.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

well the only plausible explanation would be that Libby is taking the fall here, so those higher up are immune from closer inspection.

 

[mylok]

Originally posted by: Pabster


That's what doesn't make sense.

Libby is a lawyer, he isn't stupid.

Why would you perjure yourself to the Grand Jury and then come in and hand over your own handwritten notes that contradict the testimony you've given? It just doesn't add up.

well we can agree on that.

It would have been next to impossible to prove intent on the original crime (outing a CIA agent) if he would have told the truth. They did not leak information to cause her harm it was to discredit Wilson.

 

[mylok]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
well the only plausible explanation would be that Libby is taking the fall here, so those higher up are immune from closer inspection.

I still think if Libby would have told the truth Fitzgerald would not have been able to indict anyone and then Fitzgerald would not have been able to release any info. Everyone would have been in the clear then.