If he's an independent, he should run as an independent, not in the Democrat primary. He is only considering being an independent if he is not nominated as a Democrat, not a principled independent stand.
Originally posted by: senseamp
If he's an independent, he should run as an independent, not in the Democrat primary. He is only considering being an independent if he is not nominated as a Democrat, not a principled independent stand.
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: senseamp
If he's an independent, he should run as an independent, not in the Democrat primary. He is only considering being an independent if he is not nominated as a Democrat, not a principled independent stand.
Originally posted by: Genx87
I think Lieberman may be getting fedup with the ultra left within the party. Him running as an independent may be his best shot at a presidential bid.
Hell I think I would even vote him.
WTH is the "ultra left"? Just more of your partisan BS. There's no "ultra left" in the Democratic Party. There's the corporate whores of the DLC and then there's the heart of the Democratic Party in the DNC. I seem to be missing the Socialists (Chavezes) and Communists (Castro) in the DNC. Care to point them out?Originally posted by: Genx87
I think Lieberman may be getting fedup with the ultra left within the party. Him running as an independent may be his best shot at a presidential bid. Hell I think I would even vote him.
Originally posted by: zendari
Not surpising given the radical left wing of the Democratic Party. He's a principled man who doesn't want to associate himself with them.
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Lieberman is a tool . . . just like Zell Miller. It's quite easy to find principled yet arguably right of center Democrats; Sam Nunn, Ben Nelson. Lieberman's agenda is focused on Israel but what's best for Israel isn't necessarily what's best for the US.
Granted, I still expect the Dems in CT to endorse Lieberman but he's well aware that he's on borrowed time.
Lieberman is a tool for not saying typical Democrat crap? You want him to repeat the same old Bush bashing crap that Democrats say all the time?
There is no proof that Lieberman goes all out for Israel. Yes, he probably likes Israel because he is Jewish, but so what? Where is openmindedness from you left-of-center Democrats?
Now for the record, I think Israel has historically gotten the bump rap from time to time. But over the past decade, they have largely reaped what they have sown. IMO, many Americans support Israel on general principles but only fringe are even close to Lieberman.Joe Lieberman believes that America and Israel share a unique bond built on our shared values, shared commitment to freedom and democracy, and shared interests in defeating terrorism and promoting security and stability in the region. Lieberman has been a national leader in fostering ties between the US and Israel. He believes that supporting our ally is integral to US national security interests.
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Rallying Support for Israel. Joe Lieberman has rallied bipartisan support for Israel during his 15 years in the United States Senate. He has consistently supported increased foreign aid to our ally, including Israel's recent request for $12 billion in new aid, and opposed efforts to cut this wise investment in security. More than that, Lieberman has led his colleagues in offering support for Israel during difficult times. In the spring of 2002 when Israel launched Operation Defensive Shield to root out Palestinian terrorists, President Bush insisted that Israel withdraw "without delay." Joe Lieberman, in contrast, led the Senate in passing a resolution expressing solidarity with Israel.
Fighting to Move the American Embassy to Jerusalem. Joe Lieberman has led the fight to move America's embassy in Israel to that country's indisputable capital, Jerusalem. In 1995, he was the prime co-sponsor of the Jerusalem Embassy Relocation Act, and in 1999, he led his colleagues in taking the Clinton Administration to task for not moving the embassy to Jerusalem.
Lieberman on Jonathan Pollard and the justice system:
[Jonathan Pollard] "did get an unfair sentence when compared to others, but that's sometimes how the system works." (JTA, October 16, 2003)
Originally posted by: techs
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11442698/
HARTFORD, Conn. - Sen. Joe Lieberman, facing a challenge from within the Democratic Party, said Monday he has not ruled out running as an independent in his bid for a fourth term.
?I have not foreclosed the option,? Lieberman said at a news conference at the Capitol. ?If I wanted to run as an independent, I would. I?m running as a Democrat. I?ve been a Democrat all my life.?
Ned Lamont, a Democratic activist and anti-war candidate from Greenwich, is challenging Lieberman for the party?s nomination this year. He has been garnering support from some Connecticut Democrats dissatisfied with Lieberman?s stance on Iraq and his perceived closeness with President Bush?s administration.
The party will endorse a candidate at a convention on May 20.
Wow. It looks like a ploy. If Lieberman doesn't get the Democratic nomination and runs as a third party it would give the Republicans a chance at a Senate seat they would never have. So he may be telling the Dems its me or a Repub. Its an interesting story to watch.
Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Originally posted by: techs
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11442698/
Wow. It looks like a ploy. If Lieberman doesn't get the Democratic nomination and runs as a third party it would give the Republicans a chance at a Senate seat they would never have. So he may be telling the Dems its me or a Repub. Its an interesting story to watch.
Assuming that our choices will be Hillary and probably another liberal Republican I would vote for Lieberman. I know how liberal he got when when he ran as VP in 2004 but considering he is more conservative than Bush it would be a step up.
As the first responder said, he will not be elected. The Democrats don't are not likely to vote enmasse for a Jewish candidate and the Republicans are not likely to vote enmasse for a Democrat.
Most likely he will be Hillary's VP since he will pull in some of the conservative votes and what self respecting Democrat wouldn't vote for someone as ultra libera as Hillary?
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Originally posted by: techs
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11442698/
Wow. It looks like a ploy. If Lieberman doesn't get the Democratic nomination and runs as a third party it would give the Republicans a chance at a Senate seat they would never have. So he may be telling the Dems its me or a Repub. Its an interesting story to watch.
Assuming that our choices will be Hillary and probably another liberal Republican I would vote for Lieberman. I know how liberal he got when when he ran as VP in 2004 but considering he is more conservative than Bush it would be a step up.
As the first responder said, he will not be elected. The Democrats don't are not likely to vote enmasse for a Jewish candidate and the Republicans are not likely to vote enmasse for a Democrat.
Most likely he will be Hillary's VP since he will pull in some of the conservative votes and what self respecting Democrat wouldn't vote for someone as ultra libera as Hillary?
Curious attributions you have there. Republicans are not likely to vote en masse for a Democrat or a Jew. It's pretty obvious that Democrats have voted for more of either and both compared to Republicans. Nice try, though.
Lieberman isn't more conservative than Bush. It's closer to being a push on most social issues with the notable exception of abortion. As for fiscal issues, neither is even in the ballpark of being a conservative.
You pretty much give away the fact you know virtually nothing about Lieberman's 18 year record in the Senate. There wasn't much in Lieberman's 2000 campaign with Gore that was different from his prior 2 terms in the Senate.
HARTFORD, Conn. - Facing a stronger-than-expected Democratic primary challenge and sagging poll numbers because of his support of the Iraq war, Sen. Joe Lieberman said Monday he'll collect signatures for an independent campaign if he loses next month's primary.
"While I believe that I will win the Aug. 8 primary, I know there are no guarantees in elections," Lieberman told reporters on the steps of Connecticut's statehouse. "No one really knows how many Democrats will come out to vote on what may be a hot day in August."
Once a Democratic stalwart and the party's 2000 vice presidential nominee, Lieberman has fallen into disfavor from some Democrats for his support of the Iraq war and his perceived closeness to President Bush.
He has also been target by liberal blogs, which have given a boost to his challenger and bill the race as a chance to send a message to the Democratic establishment.
The ActBlue.com Web site, which helps Democrats set up fundraising campaigns for candidates, has helped bring challenger Ned Lamont nearly $233,000 in contributions as of last week. Lamont also received about $70,000 in contributions from the liberal group Democracy for America by way of the Internet.
Lieberman, running for a fourth Senate term, said his decision to collect signatures was influenced by Lamont's wealth and concerns of a low primary turnout.
"What if my opponent, who says he is worth somewhere between $90 million and $300 million, decides to write bigger and bigger checks in the last weeks of the campaign?" he asked.
Lamont, a multimillionaire owner of a cable television company with little political experience, has so far spent $1.5 million of his own money on his campaign. He has called Lieberman a Republican lapdog and accused him of strayed from his Democratic roots.
Lieberman said he wants to take his case to the entire state should he lose the primary.
"My opponent in the Democratic primary is asking Democrats to vote against me because of position on one issue, Iraq," Lieberman said. "I'm asking Democrats in the primary in August and the general election in November to consider my total record."
Quinnipiac University polls show Lamont's support among Democrats increasing from 19 percent in May to 32 percent in June. Lieberman's support in the same period fell from 65 percent to 57 percent.
Lieberman maintains high ratings among Republicans and unaffiliated voters, however, and Unaffiliated voters are the state's largest voting bloc, followed by Democrats and Republicans.
The poll also found that if Lieberman runs an unaffiliated campaign, he would win with 56 percent of the vote, compared with 18 percent for Lamont and 8 percent for Republican Alan Schlesinger.
Lieberman has until Aug. 9 ? the day after the Democratic primary ? to collect 7,500 signatures from registered voters to land on the November ballot as an unaffiliated candidate. Experts have said his petition drive during the primary could further annoy Democrats who already question his party loyalty.
Originally posted by: Genx87
I think Lieberman may be getting fedup with the ultra left within the party. Him running as an independent may be his best shot at a presidential bid.
Hell I think I would even vote him.
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Americans don't like a loser so he wont get far in his bid IMHO.
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Americans don't like a loser so he wont get far in his bid IMHO.
Which is why it's nuts that Kerry is running again.