Life after oil... interesting read..

Cuda1447

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Read here, its kinda long

It talks about what will happen when oil reaches peak production, which should be soon. Some pretty crazy stuff, if it is true. Not sure what to believe though, because Im not well informed enough on the subject. Just trying to keep an open mind right now.


Im curious as to what you guys think of this though...
 

notfred

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I haven't read it yet, but I can ride my bike to work faster than a lot of people can drive... hopefully I'll survive.
 

slick230

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Originally posted by: notfred
I haven't read it yet, but I can ride my bike to work faster than a lot of people can drive... hopefully I'll survive.

Do you work 50 miles from home?
 

Eli

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It will only be as bad as he makes it sound if we come up with absolutely no other alternatives.

Oil will not suddenly disappear; the flow won't just shut off like a faucet. Once we peak, and in all likelyhood we already have(since we haven't discovered a major well since the 60s), production will follow the bell curve downwards.

What Peak Oil signifies is the beginning of the end of cheap oil.. Not the end of civilization.

Necessity breeds change. There are other alternatives.. I just hope it's not too late and we can develop them before we actually need them.

Humans as a whole seem incredibly short sighted when it comes to things like that.
 

Kerouactivist

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you should she the documentary..."the end of surburbia"

Check it out....seek and yeee shall find the truth
 

Kerouactivist

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Originally posted by: Eli
It will only be as bad as he makes it sound if we come up with absolutely no other alternatives.

Oil will not suddenly disappear; the flow won't just shut off like a faucet. Once we peak, and in all likelyhood we already have(since we haven't discovered a major well since the 60s), we will follow the bell curve downwards.

What Peak Oil signifies is the beginning of the end of cheap oil.. Not the end of civilization.

Necessity breeds change. There are other alternatives.. I just hope it's not too late and we can develop them before we actually need them.

Humans as a whole seem incredibly short sighted when it comes to things like that.



Would you agree that peak oil signifies the end of an expanding economy or no?
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: bthorny
Originally posted by: Eli
It will only be as bad as he makes it sound if we come up with absolutely no other alternatives.

Oil will not suddenly disappear; the flow won't just shut off like a faucet. Once we peak, and in all likelyhood we already have(since we haven't discovered a major well since the 60s), we will follow the bell curve downwards.

What Peak Oil signifies is the beginning of the end of cheap oil.. Not the end of civilization.

Necessity breeds change. There are other alternatives.. I just hope it's not too late and we can develop them before we actually need them.

Humans as a whole seem incredibly short sighted when it comes to things like that.

Would you agree that peak oil signifies the end of an expanding economy or no?
Not necessarily...

In the short term, yes. But theoretically, the necessity will breed new technologies and the new technologies will become economic staples that would at least take the place of what we've "lost". We really don't know exactly what we'll come up with yet...

We're riding the wave. We all know what a wave looks like... It goes up.. It comes down.. It goes up again.. only to come right back down.

It's too bad that our lifetimes are only a fractional view of the full wave. A lot of people seem to have a problem with that.. Can't think outside of their little narrow minds.
 

Cuda1447

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Originally posted by: Eli
It will only be as bad as he makes it sound if we come up with absolutely no other alternatives.

Oil will not suddenly disappear; the flow won't just shut off like a faucet. Once we peak, and in all likelyhood we already have(since we haven't discovered a major well since the 60s), production will follow the bell curve downwards.

What Peak Oil signifies is the beginning of the end of cheap oil.. Not the end of civilization.

Necessity breeds change. There are other alternatives.. I just hope it's not too late and we can develop them before we actually need them.

Humans as a whole seem incredibly short sighted when it comes to things like that.


As we reach peak oil production and follow the bell curve downward, our demand on oil is constantly rising. The oil prices will rise drastically, and that will hurt the US economy. I'm not an expert on the subject, but from everything Ive heard our economy is largely based upon the oil supply, and without enough of this oil our economy will slow down and began to collapse, supposedly very rapidly once we reach a certain point.
 

Cuda1447

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Oil is increasingly plentiful on the upslope of the bell curve, increasingly scarce and expensive on the down slope. The peak of the curve coincides with the point at which the endowment of oil has been 50 percent depleted. Once the peak is passed, oil production begins to go down while cost begins to go up.

In practical and considerably oversimplified terms, this means that if 2000 was the year of global Peak Oil, worldwide oil production in the year 2020 will be the same as it was in 1980. However, the world?s population in 2020 will be both much larger (approximately twice) and much more industrialized (oil-dependent) than it was in 1980. Consequently, worldwide demand for oil will outpace worldwide production of oil by a significant margin. As a result, the price will skyrocket, oil-dependant economies will crumble, and resource wars will explode





"The effects of even a small drop in production can be devastating. For instance, during the 1970s oil shocks, shortfalls in production as small as 5% caused the price of oil to nearly quadruple. The same thing happened in California a few years ago with naturagas: a production drop of less than 5% caused prices to skyrocket by 400%. [/Q
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: Eli
It will only be as bad as he makes it sound if we come up with absolutely no other alternatives.

Oil will not suddenly disappear; the flow won't just shut off like a faucet. Once we peak, and in all likelyhood we already have(since we haven't discovered a major well since the 60s), production will follow the bell curve downwards.

What Peak Oil signifies is the beginning of the end of cheap oil.. Not the end of civilization.

Necessity breeds change. There are other alternatives.. I just hope it's not too late and we can develop them before we actually need them.

Humans as a whole seem incredibly short sighted when it comes to things like that.


As we reach peak oil production and follow the bell curve downward, our demand on oil is constantly rising. The oil prices will rise drastically, and that will hurt the US economy. I'm not an expert on the subject, but from everything Ive heard our economy is largely based upon the oil supply, and without enough of this oil our economy will slow down and began to collapse, supposedly very rapidly once we reach a certain point.
Yep, and it will probably be a big event in our lifetimes.

It's too easy to look at the end result and forget to journey to getting there, though. This is going to take time. Even though 20 years isn't a very long time in the scheme of things, at the pace that technology is moving.. It is.

When gasoline becomes so expensive that it's not worth it anymore, other technologies will suddenly become economically viable.

When this happens, our usage of oil should start to drop. This will free up more of what's left for the things that we really need it for, like raw materials mining and chemical production.

Also, as oil becomes more expensive, it will further provoke the oil companies into using technologies that are currently not economically viable to extract oil from the smaller reserves and other methods.

Basically, things should progress slow enough(or fast enough, depending on your point of view), that it will more or less be .. normal. Yes, there will be change, and for our generation.. it might be a huge pain in the ass.

For the generation that is children when it happens.. It will be normal. And so the wave continues..... hopefully for at least another few tens of thousands of years.
 

Kerouactivist

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: bthorny
Originally posted by: Eli
It will only be as bad as he makes it sound if we come up with absolutely no other alternatives.

Oil will not suddenly disappear; the flow won't just shut off like a faucet. Once we peak, and in all likelyhood we already have(since we haven't discovered a major well since the 60s), we will follow the bell curve downwards.

What Peak Oil signifies is the beginning of the end of cheap oil.. Not the end of civilization.

Necessity breeds change. There are other alternatives.. I just hope it's not too late and we can develop them before we actually need them.

Humans as a whole seem incredibly short sighted when it comes to things like that.

Would you agree that peak oil signifies the end of an expanding economy or no?
Not necessarily...

In the short term, yes. But theoretically, the necessity will breed new technologies and the new technologies will become economic staples that would at least take the place of what we've "lost". We really don't know exactly what we'll come up with yet...

We're riding the wave. We all know what a wave looks like... It goes up.. It comes down.. It goes up again.. only to come right back down.

It's too bad that our lifetimes are only a fractional view of the full wave. A lot of people seem to have a problem with that.. Can't think outside of their little narrow minds.


It's sounds like your talking about a belief in a religion more than anything.........

So I guess I should put my mind to bed and the answer will come in my dreams....faith..... future....
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: bthorny
It's sounds like your talking about a belief in a religion more than anything.........

So I guess I should put my mind to bed and the answer will come in my dreams....faith..... future....
No more a "religion" than the belief that we're going to be sent back to the stone age when the supply of oil dwindles.

At the very worst, we would only be sent back about 200 years.
 

Kerouactivist

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: bthorny
It's sounds like your talking about a belief in a religion more than anything.........

So I guess I should put my mind to bed and the answer will come in my dreams....faith..... future....
No more a "religion" than the belief that we're going to be sent back to the stone age when the supply of oil dwindles.

At the very worst, we would only be sent back about 200 years.


But, that religion would be based on science as we know it now...would it not...
not meaning to give you a hard time Eli

 

Eli

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Originally posted by: Nocturnal
LOL we're so damned. I mean it too. Damn we're literally FVCKED.
We very well could be....

I used to think we were definately fscked too, but... I guess I've developed more faith in technology and the hope that we have more foresight now due to diversity.
 

Kerouactivist

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Nocturnal
LOL we're so damned. I mean it too. Damn we're literally FVCKED.
We very well could be....

I used to think we were definately fscked too, but... I guess I've developed more faith in technology and the hope that we have more foresight now due to diversity.

I want to believe technology wil save us too., our infrastructure is so fvcked though...and hydrogen is a joke as far as production and actual energy produced goes....
 

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I agree with the "we will find other way" peeps....however I think we have wrongly assume that technology will get us to the next energy source quickly. The time it would take to slightly reduce our dependence on oil is far longer than the time we will continue to be able to pump "cheap" oil..
 

Cuda1447

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: Eli
It will only be as bad as he makes it sound if we come up with absolutely no other alternatives.

Oil will not suddenly disappear; the flow won't just shut off like a faucet. Once we peak, and in all likelyhood we already have(since we haven't discovered a major well since the 60s), production will follow the bell curve downwards.

What Peak Oil signifies is the beginning of the end of cheap oil.. Not the end of civilization.

Necessity breeds change. There are other alternatives.. I just hope it's not too late and we can develop them before we actually need them.

Humans as a whole seem incredibly short sighted when it comes to things like that.


As we reach peak oil production and follow the bell curve downward, our demand on oil is constantly rising. The oil prices will rise drastically, and that will hurt the US economy. I'm not an expert on the subject, but from everything Ive heard our economy is largely based upon the oil supply, and without enough of this oil our economy will slow down and began to collapse, supposedly very rapidly once we reach a certain point.
Yep, and it will probably be a big event in our lifetimes.

It's too easy to look at the end result and forget to journey to getting there, though. This is going to take time. Even though 20 years isn't a very long time in the scheme of things, at the pace that technology is moving.. It is.

When gasoline becomes so expensive that it's not worth it anymore, other technologies will suddenly become economically viable.

When this happens, our usage of oil should start to drop. This will free up more of what's left for the things that we really need it for, like raw materials mining and chemical production.

Also, as oil becomes more expensive, it will further provoke the oil companies into using technologies that are currently not economically viable to extract oil from the smaller reserves and other methods.

Basically, things should progress slow enough(or fast enough, depending on your point of view), that it will more or less be .. normal. Yes, there will be change, and for our generation.. it might be a huge pain in the ass.

For the generation that is children when it happens.. It will be normal. And so the wave continues..... hopefully for at least another few tens of thousands of years.



I don't think it is as simple as that. Assume by the year 2010 (could be sooner than that) the oil prices reach the point where they are no longer feasible to use. Now the new technologies began to be developed at a much faster rate (hydro power, plutonium, biodiesel etc..) What happens WHILE we develop those technologies though? How are we going to ship food? How will we have a mail service? Drive to work? Without out oil for even a very SHORT period of time, it will have a drastic effect on the economy. If oil prices suddenly raised to $10 a gallon, or higher the prices of EVERYTHING will rise. Food will become more expensive to ship, therefore the costs will be reflected. Air travel will be expensive as hell. I'm sure you guys can see where Im going with this.


Basically, it seems the only way to avoid this problem is for the new technologies to be replaced BEFORE we reach our oil crisis. Unfortunately, these technologies will not be researched aggressively enough until it may be to late.



Hopefully Im wrong though
 
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