Life after oil... interesting read..

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: Confusednewbie1552
So....Should I move to the Middle East while I can before getting fvcked.....

Nah, cause we are just gonna take their sh!t.

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: Confusednewbie1552
So....Should I move to the Middle East while I can before getting fvcked.....

Yes so we can hit you with the biological warfare agents we haven't been working on..................

 

[Confusednewbie1552]

Lol, btw hows the work on Cold Fusion progressing?

 

[Kodiak]

Fuel Cells are the future.

 

[randumb]

i like michael klare's books on peak oil

 

[OS]

The ultimate supply of uranium is very large. It is estimated that for every doubling of price, that the supply of uranium will be multiplied 2.5 times. A ten fold increase in price will result in an increase of supply of 300 times.

source

uranium is a common element. Qoutes of "50 year" supplies are fallacies and based only on current/known sources/economics.


The collapse of society because of "oil running out" is nothing more than fear mongering. Nuclear power for electricity, synthetic petroleum everywhere else where oil is absolutely necessary.

 

[LS20]

the peak oil scare is made up by the less-informed designed to spook the uninformed

hell, the guy who owns that site has as much geology background as the guy who delivered my pizza today

yes, oil is a finite resource and will run out--as will any other thing we use--but it won't be an abrupt end that shocks our economy and lifestyle and bring the world to its knee like these mongers suggest

a few brief points:
-there is a buttload more oil that is unaccounted for... because it was and is not economically feasible to extract. higher demand = higher prices = more viability for these reserves. google "resource pyramid"

-in a way, we have already begun to switch to an alternative source: gas. thereafter, it is predicted that hydrogen will be next. this change (of source) is nothing new or scary... our energy source cycle has always been short... from wood to coal to oil...

-most importantly...everything is *linked... its not as if demand will skyrocket WHILE our Only supply will plummet. high prices will increase oil exploration and development/extraction... the high prices will also drive the switch to gas, encourage oil conservation, etc.

all in all, i dont believe in the oil SCARE, and i htink the entire thing is as blown out of proportion as was Y2K. anyways, its 4am and i am POOPED

 

[mettleh3d]

pretty scary

edit: im guessing ^^ didnt read the entire thing. or even the 1st 1/2

 

[Kerouactivist]

Spray on dust is really the greatest thing...I suppose....fu if you don't understand

 

[Lonyo]

This is where Africa will shine, since a lot of places are too poor to have cars, electricity, plastics etc, and they work with what they've got.
Shotgun a poor African who knows how to work off the land whne oil runs out.

 

[LS20]

Originally posted by: mettleh3d
pretty scary

edit: im guessing ^^ didnt read the entire thing. or even the 1st 1/2

i read the 1st sentence... am i supposed to believe that some politician representative roscoe barlett has more insight into the situation than professional petro engineers and geologists whom im around?

people dont realize how the numbers quoted on that page are 1) outdated 2) wrong and 3) misleading in context

 

[Confusednewbie1552]

Nice to know that there is some hope, hopefully it's not false.

 

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by: Confusednewbie1552
Nice to know that there is some hope, hopefully it's not false.

What hope?

 

[BurnItDwn]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Read here, its kinda long

It talks about what will happen when oil reaches peak production, which should be soon. Some pretty crazy stuff, if it is true. Not sure what to believe though, because Im not well informed enough on the subject. Just trying to keep an open mind right now.


Im curious as to what you guys think of this though...

This sounds like what people have been saying since the 80s. And Oil prices have gone up a bit, but still haven't kept up with inflation. I am not overly concerned. The world will not come crashing down at once. The amount of oil produced will peak in about 10 years or so, and demand will outstrip supply. The higher the cost for oil gets, the more money that will be pumped into alternatives.

According to a BUNCH or sources, Uranium is not in short supply, or in danger of running out. On top of that, there are still thousands of nuclear warheads that can be decommissioned and converted for power generation.
http://www.nuclearfaq.ca/cnf_sectionG.htm
http://www.americanenergyindependence.com/uranium.html

Coal Reserves aren't too bad either .....
http://www.worldenergy.org/wec-geis/publications/reports/ser/coal/coal.asp
Just in the USA alone, 457503 Million Tons have been proven
249994 Million Tons are proven recoverable
997.1 Million tons are mined per year. The US makes more coal then it usus as of current. Assuming we do not discover any more coal at all, and that coal production TRIPLES to account for lack of oil, that still means in the US, our coal will last us nearly 100 years.

Then there's also NG, which I haven't really researched at all, however, it is my understanding that the known reserves are quite high.

So, we will have higher energy costs down the road, but the Nuclear and Coal options are not lost causes or going to help for 1 or 2 years. they will buy us 100+ years worth of "cheap energy" time.


Hopefully within 20 to 30 years we have cold fusion plants up and running (you know, like that prototype one in france that's under construction)
And solar/wind aren't the best in terms of their density, however, as oil costs go up, solar/wind goes down relatively. (Still really high though for the most part).

There is also Hydro power, which may be devastating for nature, however, it is an extremely potent renewable power resource.
For instance, the Hoover dam has a 2,075 megawatt capacity. (more than most nuclear plants)


So, for all of you who are preaching armageddon, and of the world, worried, etc, relax a bit. Thing are going to get tougher, but we still have time. The world is not goiing to come crashing to a halt. It isn't going to be like in "The Road Warrior."

 

[slick230]

I, for one, will welcome our new alien overlords when they come to claim our barren and wasted planet.

 

[DaWhim]

that website is entirely bs.

 

[Kerouactivist]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Read here, its kinda long

It talks about what will happen when oil reaches peak production, which should be soon. Some pretty crazy stuff, if it is true. Not sure what to believe though, because Im not well informed enough on the subject. Just trying to keep an open mind right now.


Im curious as to what you guys think of this though...

This sounds like what people have been saying since the 80s. And Oil prices have gone up a bit, but still haven't kept up with inflation. I am not overly concerned. The world will not come crashing down at once. The amount of oil produced will peak in about 10 years or so, and demand will outstrip supply. The higher the cost for oil gets, the more money that will be pumped into alternatives.

According to a BUNCH or sources, Uranium is not in short supply, or in danger of running out. On top of that, there are still thousands of nuclear warheads that can be decommissioned and converted for power generation.
http://www.nuclearfaq.ca/cnf_sectionG.htm
http://www.americanenergyindependence.com/uranium.html

Coal Reserves aren't too bad either .....
http://www.worldenergy.org/wec-geis/publications/reports/ser/coal/coal.asp
Just in the USA alone, 457503 Million Tons have been proven
249994 Million Tons are proven recoverable
997.1 Million tons are mined per year. The US makes more coal then it usus as of current. Assuming we do not discover any more coal at all, and that coal production TRIPLES to account for lack of oil, that still means in the US, our coal will last us nearly 100 years.

Then there's also NG, which I haven't really researched at all, however, it is my understanding that the known reserves are quite high.

So, we will have higher energy costs down the road, but the Nuclear and Coal options are not lost causes or going to help for 1 or 2 years. they will buy us 100+ years worth of "cheap energy" time.


Hopefully within 20 to 30 years we have cold fusion plants up and running (you know, like that prototype one in france that's under construction)
And solar/wind aren't the best in terms of their density, however, as oil costs go up, solar/wind goes down relatively. (Still really high though for the most part).

There is also Hydro power, which may be devastating for nature, however, it is an extremely potent renewable power resource.
For instance, the Hoover dam has a 2,075 megawatt capacity. (more than most nuclear plants)


So, for all of you who are preaching armageddon, and of the world, worried, etc, relax a bit. Thing are going to get tougher, but we still have time. The world is not goiing to come crashing to a halt. It isn't going to be like in "The Road Warrior."

It's such a perfect day....nevermind I doubt you would understand anyway...

Your going to reap just what you sow...

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: bthorny

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Read here, its kinda long

It talks about what will happen when oil reaches peak production, which should be soon. Some pretty crazy stuff, if it is true. Not sure what to believe though, because Im not well informed enough on the subject. Just trying to keep an open mind right now.


Im curious as to what you guys think of this though...

This sounds like what people have been saying since the 80s. And Oil prices have gone up a bit, but still haven't kept up with inflation. I am not overly concerned. The world will not come crashing down at once. The amount of oil produced will peak in about 10 years or so, and demand will outstrip supply. The higher the cost for oil gets, the more money that will be pumped into alternatives.

According to a BUNCH or sources, Uranium is not in short supply, or in danger of running out. On top of that, there are still thousands of nuclear warheads that can be decommissioned and converted for power generation.
http://www.nuclearfaq.ca/cnf_sectionG.htm
http://www.americanenergyindependence.com/uranium.html

Coal Reserves aren't too bad either .....
http://www.worldenergy.org/wec-geis/publications/reports/ser/coal/coal.asp
Just in the USA alone, 457503 Million Tons have been proven
249994 Million Tons are proven recoverable
997.1 Million tons are mined per year. The US makes more coal then it usus as of current. Assuming we do not discover any more coal at all, and that coal production TRIPLES to account for lack of oil, that still means in the US, our coal will last us nearly 100 years.

Then there's also NG, which I haven't really researched at all, however, it is my understanding that the known reserves are quite high.

So, we will have higher energy costs down the road, but the Nuclear and Coal options are not lost causes or going to help for 1 or 2 years. they will buy us 100+ years worth of "cheap energy" time.


Hopefully within 20 to 30 years we have cold fusion plants up and running (you know, like that prototype one in france that's under construction)
And solar/wind aren't the best in terms of their density, however, as oil costs go up, solar/wind goes down relatively. (Still really high though for the most part).

There is also Hydro power, which may be devastating for nature, however, it is an extremely potent renewable power resource.
For instance, the Hoover dam has a 2,075 megawatt capacity. (more than most nuclear plants)


So, for all of you who are preaching armageddon, and of the world, worried, etc, relax a bit. Thing are going to get tougher, but we still have time. The world is not goiing to come crashing to a halt. It isn't going to be like in "The Road Warrior."

It's such a perfect day....nevermind I doubt you would understand anyway...

Your going to reap just what you sow...

The hell are you talking about, he exposed this stupid argument for the retarded joke that it is.

 

[C'DaleRider]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: bthorny

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Read here, its kinda long

It talks about what will happen when oil reaches peak production, which should be soon. Some pretty crazy stuff, if it is true. Not sure what to believe though, because Im not well informed enough on the subject. Just trying to keep an open mind right now.


Im curious as to what you guys think of this though...

This sounds like what people have been saying since the 80s. And Oil prices have gone up a bit, but still haven't kept up with inflation. I am not overly concerned. The world will not come crashing down at once. The amount of oil produced will peak in about 10 years or so, and demand will outstrip supply. The higher the cost for oil gets, the more money that will be pumped into alternatives.

According to a BUNCH or sources, Uranium is not in short supply, or in danger of running out. On top of that, there are still thousands of nuclear warheads that can be decommissioned and converted for power generation.
http://www.nuclearfaq.ca/cnf_sectionG.htm
http://www.americanenergyindependence.com/uranium.html

Coal Reserves aren't too bad either .....
http://www.worldenergy.org/wec-geis/publications/reports/ser/coal/coal.asp
Just in the USA alone, 457503 Million Tons have been proven
249994 Million Tons are proven recoverable
997.1 Million tons are mined per year. The US makes more coal then it usus as of current. Assuming we do not discover any more coal at all, and that coal production TRIPLES to account for lack of oil, that still means in the US, our coal will last us nearly 100 years.

Then there's also NG, which I haven't really researched at all, however, it is my understanding that the known reserves are quite high.

So, we will have higher energy costs down the road, but the Nuclear and Coal options are not lost causes or going to help for 1 or 2 years. they will buy us 100+ years worth of "cheap energy" time.


Hopefully within 20 to 30 years we have cold fusion plants up and running (you know, like that prototype one in france that's under construction)
And solar/wind aren't the best in terms of their density, however, as oil costs go up, solar/wind goes down relatively. (Still really high though for the most part).

There is also Hydro power, which may be devastating for nature, however, it is an extremely potent renewable power resource.
For instance, the Hoover dam has a 2,075 megawatt capacity. (more than most nuclear plants)


So, for all of you who are preaching armageddon, and of the world, worried, etc, relax a bit. Thing are going to get tougher, but we still have time. The world is not goiing to come crashing to a halt. It isn't going to be like in "The Road Warrior."

It's such a perfect day....nevermind I doubt you would understand anyway...

Your going to reap just what you sow...

The hell are you talking about, he exposed this stupid argument for the retarded joke that it is.

About what I was going to say.......guess no one has heard of the gasification-of-coal program that was in development. It worked but was too expensive (on a per-gallon-of-gas produced) to be acceptable by the public. Given what gas prices will become, it will become an attractive alternative.

And I suppose no one remembers that over 60 years ago there was active production of synthetic alternatives of oil......by the Germans. Too bad, for them at least, that the war ended when it did. The Germans had a lot of advanced technology, for the day, that in a year more from when the war ended, would have made a huge difference in its outcome.

The U.S. has not had a significant discovery of oil reserves in decades.....but of course, there has been a moritorium on exploration of coastal areas (no drilling allowed so why spend the money to explore when it'd just be a waste of money with absolutely no return on the investment?) or of environmentally protected areas or of difficult to explore areas.....as oil becomes more expensive, attitudes will change and areas off-limits to exploration/exploitation will become open to drilling and areas difficult to drill (read expensive) will become economically viable.

The "We're out of oil" chant has been going on since the 1940's....yet, we still have proven reserves greater than what was known to exist then. (Look up some issues of magazines of Popular Science and the like from the WWII era and you'll see article after article decrying our soon-to-run-out oil situation.........and 60 years later, we're still in the same boat.....we're running out, no more found, etc. etc.)

I'll admit there are probably difficult times ahead as we convert to newer technologies that allow oil-from-coal, new exploration, new substitutes of oil, etc., but as the cliche states.....necessity is the mother of invention. I don't doubt that this country cannot invent, create, or come up with viable alternatives without having our whole society crumble.

 

[Calin]

Originally posted by: Eli
It will only be as bad as he makes it sound if we come up with absolutely no other alternatives.

Oil will not suddenly disappear; the flow won't just shut off like a faucet. Once we peak, and in all likelyhood we already have(since we haven't discovered a major well since the 60s), production will follow the bell curve downwards.

What Peak Oil signifies is the beginning of the end of cheap oil.. Not the end of civilization.

Necessity breeds change. There are other alternatives.. I just hope it's not too late and we can develop them before we actually need them.

Humans as a whole seem incredibly short sighted when it comes to things like that.

Have you seen? When the production dropped 5% (in some 1970 I think), the price skyrocketed to 400%.
There won't be any cheap oil, but the price will go up faster than you think. It might be double of what is now in a year, or two years

 

[Zanix]

Anyone ever play Fallout/Fallout2?

I can't wait to have my own suit of power armor.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Calin

Originally posted by: Eli
It will only be as bad as he makes it sound if we come up with absolutely no other alternatives.

Oil will not suddenly disappear; the flow won't just shut off like a faucet. Once we peak, and in all likelyhood we already have(since we haven't discovered a major well since the 60s), production will follow the bell curve downwards.

What Peak Oil signifies is the beginning of the end of cheap oil.. Not the end of civilization.

Necessity breeds change. There are other alternatives.. I just hope it's not too late and we can develop them before we actually need them.

Humans as a whole seem incredibly short sighted when it comes to things like that.

Have you seen? When the production dropped 5% (in some 1970 I think), the price skyrocketed to 400%.
There won't be any cheap oil, but the price will go up faster than you think. It might be double of what is now in a year, or two years

The difference is that this should be a gradual 5% decline, rather than a rather instantaneous shock.

 

[Kindjal]

I don't think the author contemplates the option of merely killing off large parts of the world's population in order to maintain balance and preserve civilization. Obviously a war would reduce populations around the globe but I think something more drastic would be needed.

If all of a sudden the planet had 5 billion less people, I think demand for fossil fuels would stabilize. Of course the kicker is - who is going to volunteer to die so that others can carry on. I don't think we are going to find 5 billion volunteers. Just a solution the author could have mentioned in his rosy scenarios. :evil:

 

[Zanix]

Originally posted by: Kindjal
I don't think the author contemplates the option of merely killing off large parts of the worlds' population in order to maintain balance and preserve civilization. Obviously a war would reduce populations around the globe but I think something more drastic would be needed.

If all of a sudden the planet had 5 billion less people, I think demand for fossil fuels would stabilize. Of course the kicker is - who is going to volunteer to die so that others can carry on. I don't think we are going to find 5 billion volunteers. Just a solution the author could have mentioned in his rosy scenarios. :evil:

what's china's pop. up to now? :evil:

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: Zanix

Originally posted by: Kindjal
I don't think the author contemplates the option of merely killing off large parts of the worlds' population in order to maintain balance and preserve civilization. Obviously a war would reduce populations around the globe but I think something more drastic would be needed.

If all of a sudden the planet had 5 billion less people, I think demand for fossil fuels would stabilize. Of course the kicker is - who is going to volunteer to die so that others can carry on. I don't think we are going to find 5 billion volunteers. Just a solution the author could have mentioned in his rosy scenarios. :evil:

what's china's pop. up to now? :evil:

Only like a bil, lets get rid of India too, that should do it I think.