Life after oil... interesting read..

[Engineer]

First plant fully functional according to their website.

Anything to Oil

Part #2

Sounds promising, but need new updates (and probably investment)

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: Engineer
First plant fully functional according to their website.

Anything to Oil

Part #2

Sounds promising, but need new updates (and probably investment)

Wow, now thats some cool sh!t right there!


Ima buy one of these machines. Think about it... crap Im outta gas and have no money.

*grabs machine, takes it into the bathroom*


Now Ive got fuel!

 

[BurnItDwn]

Originally posted by: Engineer
First plant fully functional according to their website.

Anything to Oil

Part #2

Sounds promising, but need new updates (and probably investment)

Whoa ... that looks amazing.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Engineer
First plant fully functional according to their website.

Anything to Oil

Part #2

Sounds promising, but need new updates (and probably investment)

Yep, just one of probably many technologies that will come to light in the comming years..

I was looking for updates the other day, but couldn't really find any.

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
LOL we're so damned. I mean it too. Damn we're literally FVCKED.

literally? i think you mean figuratively

 

[Engineer]

How do we reverse the trade deficit? Develope technologies like the above and then sell the oil and technology to other countries!

Of course, the Chinese and Japanese will reverse engineer it and sell it back to us cheaper!

 

[archcommus]

I wonder why anyone would want to take the time to create a site like that. Does he think he's really helping the world by having people read that site? No, all it accomplishes is scaring people. The situation is out of the common person's hands, so why should they be fearing it and worrying about it. Live your life and see what happens.

The site's probably to make money more than anything. Don't be concerned.

 

[Engineer]

P.S. We'll never run out of oil. It will become too expensive to difficult to recover, but we will not run out. Also, the earth is constantly churning it out...just at a much slower rate than we consume it.

 

[jjones]

Ouch, the sky just fell on my head.

 

[archcommus]

Don't worry, everyone, I will come up with a cheap alternative soon enough.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: archcommus
Don't worry, everyone, I will come up with a cheap alternative soon enough.

Gas from your @ss doesn't count!

 

[archcommus]

I blame this on the asshats who invented the car!!!

 

[OffTopic1]

Fuel Cells are the future.

Did you read the article?

"Unfortunately, solar and wind cannot be used as industrial-scale transportation fuels unless they are used to crack hydrogen from water via electrolysis. The electrolysis process is a simple one, but unfortunately it consumes 1.3 units of energy for every 1 unit of energy it produces. In other words, it results in a net loss of energy. You can't replace oil - which has a positive EROEI of about 30/1 - with an energy source that actually carries a negative EROEI."

First plant fully functional according to their website.

Anything to Oil

Part #2

Sounds promising, but need new updates (and probably investment)

Biomass energy is nothing new because it has been utilizes in every corner of the earth.

New York have several solid waste incinerator to energy management systems that produce such an insignificant amount of energy for state consumption (it main purpose is to reduce the waste volume/land fill). Therefore it would require much more waste than what we produce.

Fuel efficiency and consumption control is about the only thing that might save our ass, because it would buy us a few years to develop a more sustainable fuel source.

So enjoy what we have now, and wait for the arsenic and acid rain to come when coal power comes back to fashion and biomass come online.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: OffTopic

Fuel Cells are the future.

Did you read the article?

"Unfortunately, solar and wind cannot be used as industrial-scale transportation fuels unless they are used to crack hydrogen from water via electrolysis. The electrolysis process is a simple one, but unfortunately it consumes 1.3 units of energy for every 1 unit of energy it produces. In other words, it results in a net loss of energy. You can't replace oil - which has a positive EROEI of about 30/1 - with an energy source that actually carries a negative EROEI."

First plant fully functional according to their website.

Anything to Oil

Part #2

Sounds promising, but need new updates (and probably investment)

Biomass energy is nothing new because it has been utilizes in every corner of the earth.

New York have several solid waste incinerator to energy management systems that produce such an insignificant amount of energy for state consumption (it main purpose is to reduce the waste volume/land fill). Therefore it would require much more waste than what we produce.

Fuel efficiency and consumption control is about the only thing that might save our ass, because it would buy us a few years to develop a more sustainable fuel source.

So enjoy what we have now, and wait for the arsenic and acid rain to come when coal power comes back to fashion and biomass come online.

Unless I missed something in the articles (which I didn't re-read but have read in the past), this process produces 1 unit of energy for every .15 unit placed in. It is a very attractive "supplement" in the fact that is has many good side effect such as disposal of waste (in several forms). At least this company is taking in initiative. We just keep drilling and searching instead of inventing.

As for the solar/wind 1.3 to 1 ratio, does it matter? It's free energy so it doesn't matter if it takes 1.3 units of free energy to get 1 unit out does it?

Does the solar assumption take into account new advances in solar energy developed in Canada which is much for efficient and easier to implement than current methods?

Spray on solar power.

With further advances, the new plastic "could allow up to 30 percent of the sun's radiant energy to be harnessed, compared to 6 percent in today's best plastic solar cells,"

Pig waste to oil.

 

[Kenazo]

I think it's time we (Canada) shut our borders to oil exporting. Being that we're a net exporter we'd better protect our stocks... though of course our economy would go down the shltter for that reason then.

 

[OffTopic1]

Unless I missed something in the articles (which I didn't re-read but have read in the past), this process produces 1 unit of energy for every .15 unit placed in. It is a very attractive "supplement" in the fact that is has many good side effect such as disposal of waste (in several forms). At least this company is taking in initiative. We just keep drilling and searching instead of inventing.

As for the solar/wind 1.3 to 1 ratio, does it matter? It's free energy so it doesn't matter if it takes 1.3 units of free energy to get 1 unit out does it?

Does the solar assumption take into account new advances in solar energy developed in Canada which is much for efficient and easier to implement than current methods?

Spray on solar power.

There aren't enough hydro, wind, wave to produce the energy that we consume, and we have utilizes most of what we can get from hydro at the present. Solar is about the only source that would make a significant contribution to our energy needs, and I hope that the spray-on solar-power cells come online soon to quench our thirst for energy before our reliance switch back to coal.

Pig waste to oil is not a new novelty, because animal/human waste/methane had been utilize for hundred of years in Asia for cooking and warmth. And, dry animal dung has been use as a fuel source for thousands of years in human history.

Fossil is the main fuel source presently & for the near future. And, it will be use to produce/harness alternative energy sources.

1. We currently need 83.5 million barrels per day

2. We are projected to need 120 million barrels per day by 2020

The prediction is that we are going to be at peak oil production in the next few months, and then there will be a rapid drop of supply/production. That means alternative power sources such as nuclear/solar have to come online to make up the different of 44% energy deficit in 15 years if we can maintain current oil production. However, high oil price will impact our economy and conversion to alternative energy sources as suggested in the OP article.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Topic Title: Life after oil...

Mad Max :thumbsup:

 

[The Green Bean]

hopefully most of us should be dead before lack of oil becomes a problem

 

[Trevelyan]

5 years...

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: hatim
hopefully most of us should be dead before lack of oil becomes a problem

ROFL, I don't hope that. You want to be dead in the next few years? Im only 20, Ive got a lot of living left to do.

 

[minofifa]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: OffTopic

Fuel Cells are the future.

Did you read the article?

"Unfortunately, solar and wind cannot be used as industrial-scale transportation fuels unless they are used to crack hydrogen from water via electrolysis. The electrolysis process is a simple one, but unfortunately it consumes 1.3 units of energy for every 1 unit of energy it produces. In other words, it results in a net loss of energy. You can't replace oil - which has a positive EROEI of about 30/1 - with an energy source that actually carries a negative EROEI."


Pig waste to oil.

but, the energy required to drive electrolysis would come from an expendable source (the sun (solar and wind)) insted of an exhaustable source (fossil fuels). The sun spits out a crapload of energy that is, for lack of a better word, wasted. we could do a lot with the potential of the sun.

 

[minofifa]

Originally posted by: minofifa

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: OffTopic

Fuel Cells are the future.

Did you read the article?

"Unfortunately, solar and wind cannot be used as industrial-scale transportation fuels unless they are used to crack hydrogen from water via electrolysis. The electrolysis process is a simple one, but unfortunately it consumes 1.3 units of energy for every 1 unit of energy it produces. In other words, it results in a net loss of energy. You can't replace oil - which has a positive EROEI of about 30/1 - with an energy source that actually carries a negative EROEI."


Pig waste to oil.

but, the energy required to drive electrolysis would come from an expendable source (the sun (solar and wind)) insted of an exhaustable source (fossil fuels). The sun spits out a crapload of energy that is, for lack of a better word, wasted. we could do a lot with the potential of the sun.

"In 2003, the US consumed 98 quadrillion BTU's of energy. A whopping .171 quadrillion came from solar and wind combined. Do the math (.171/98) and you will see that a total of less then one-sixth of one percent of our energy appetite was satisfied with solar and wind combined."

we still have some work to do

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Kenazo
I think it's time we (Canada) shut our borders to oil exporting. Being that we're a net exporter we'd better protect our stocks... though of course our economy would go down the shltter for that reason then.

Better yet, let's not shut our borders to oil exports... I think we all know what happens to countries that try to protect their oil reserves (seriously, i'm kidding - har har)

Well, the author apparently has two degrees from decent schools - one in PoliSci and one in Law. So obviously he's not a total dingbat (not saying that you couldn't acquire a good education if you *were* a dingbat, but anyway...).

To those that seem to think it is poppycock, I encourage you to convince myself and anyone else reading otherwise. Seriously - help! I do find it scary - I admit it. I guess it's one thing for people to say "everything's going to be alright" - I just like to hear the how & why.

Nothing else to do but enjoy life while we can I guess. NEF WHILE YOU CAN!1!!!1!!one

 

[Nocturnal]

ttt for more opinions.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
ttt for more opinions.

:thumbsup:

edit: btw great post OP, informative. not jumping on the bandwagon 110% yet but definite cause for concern if indeed this is fact.