Lineage II or WoW?

[Quixfire]

Originally posted by: Cloud84
I heard WoW has an auction house, how many items are you allowed to sell at one time? What didn't you like about Lineage II Quixfire?

I don't believe there is limit on the number of items you can sell at the auction house. But from my experience if there are too many items of the same kind for sale your items don't sell every often but I play on a low population server.

What I didn?t like about Lineage II was the lack of quests and amount of grinding to level up. I complete all the quests available to my by level five. The next quest was a minimum level of ten so I have to grind from level 5 to 10 in order to start questing again. I got bored with the game real fast.

 

[FooKilla]

I played both and I found WOW more enjoyable.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by: skace
I'm already in the 'raid environment' which is like right where I left off in EQ. Strath tuesdays and thursdays, scholo wednesdays, ubrs everyday, key up for onyxia, and gear up for molten core.

that sounds so dull...

Definalty not dull.... these are hard places that still challenge you with mega L60 only groups...
but its the end game for now... its get geared up and ready for Onyxia and battlegrounds...

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by: skace
I'm already in the 'raid environment' which is like right where I left off in EQ. Strath tuesdays and thursdays, scholo wednesdays, ubrs everyday, key up for onyxia, and gear up for molten core.

that sounds so dull...

Definalty not dull.... these are hard places that still challenge you with mega L60 only groups...
but its the end game for now... its get geared up and ready for Onyxia and battlegrounds...

yeah but to have nothing to do but hitting the same 4-5 instances over and over...jeez. Are there many 60 quests for these places and the outside world or is it just raiding for a chance at some loot and a sense of accomplishment?

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Malladine

yeah but to have nothing to do but hitting the same 4-5 instances over and over...jeez. Are there many 60 quests for these places and the outside world or is it just raiding for a chance at some loot and a sense of accomplishment?

[/quote]

I know, everybody pisses their pants whenever I mention there's no "point" or "end game" in WoW. DAoC had RvR. UO has vanity (more rares, l33ter gear like a medable all 70's suit with 100 LRC and 50 LMC and HP regen 5 and 1000 luck and a 16x16 custom house outside Vesper with 6th year vet banners and all the monster miniatures and a dozen wildly popular vendors, etc) and once you're satisfied you can fight in faction wars on Felucca.

Geez, it's been a couple months and already the hardcore players are in a rut. Give it another two months and some cheesy thrown together high queue battlefields full of stealthed rogues and I'll be accepting apologies left and right.

One quick question. Can you control pets in WoW like you could in DAoC where you order them to attack a specific target or is it really just agressive/defensive?

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Malladine

yeah but to have nothing to do but hitting the same 4-5 instances over and over...jeez. Are there many 60 quests for these places and the outside world or is it just raiding for a chance at some loot and a sense of accomplishment?

I know, everybody pisses their pants whenever I mention there's no "point" or "end game" in WoW. DAoC had RvR. UO has vanity (more rares, l33ter gear like a medable all 70's suit with 100 LRC and 50 LMC and HP regen 5 and 1000 luck and a 16x16 custom house outside Vesper with 6th year vet banners and all the monster miniatures and a dozen wildly popular vendors, etc) and once you're satisfied you can fight in faction wars on Felucca.

Geez, it's been a couple months and already the hardcore players are in a rut. Give it another two months and some cheesy thrown together high queue battlefields full of stealthed rogues and I'll be accepting apologies left and right.

One quick question. Can you control pets in WoW like you could in DAoC where you order them to attack a specific target or is it really just agressive/defensive?[/quote]you control em

you're annoying me HoP...i miss UO enough without you bringing it up every chance you get :frown:

Maybe Blizz can come through with something better than what you just said. We'll certainly see.

 

[torpid]

FFXI had no real end game content until a year and a half after its initial release in japan. Maybe longer. I am confident that WoW will beat that time frame. Fortunately I really enjoy trying different classes which hopefully will hold my interest for long enough.

With FFXI there was enough content so that it wasn't a huge deal how long they took. If WoW takes that long, they better introduce a lot more variety than there is now...

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Malladine
you control em

you're annoying me HoP...i miss UO enough without you bringing it up every chance you get :frown:

Maybe Blizz can come through with something better than what you just said. We'll certainly see.

That's the big hope.......what will the first expansion pack bring. Unfortunately, I'm not sure, with these apparent server issues, if they're making much progress on that front. The battleground in DAoC were level specific......the ones in WoW don't look to be.

Tell me what you think about this. Ever since UXO (UO3 essentially) got closed down, I keep getting this feeling that they are going to port the UXO engine over to UO. Would there just be too many items on the screen at the same time for this to be possible? Would they modify spell range so it's the equivalent to half a screen distance and how would that affect PvP? I'm sure it would be easy to write an algorithm to convert the maps to 3D and then you'd just need artists to go touch everything up.

 

[ggnl]

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Malladine

yeah but to have nothing to do but hitting the same 4-5 instances over and over...jeez. Are there many 60 quests for these places and the outside world or is it just raiding for a chance at some loot and a sense of accomplishment?

I know, everybody pisses their pants whenever I mention there's no "point" or "end game" in WoW. DAoC had RvR. UO has vanity (more rares, l33ter gear like a medable all 70's suit with 100 LRC and 50 LMC and HP regen 5 and 1000 luck and a 16x16 custom house outside Vesper with 6th year vet banners and all the monster miniatures and a dozen wildly popular vendors, etc) and once you're satisfied you can fight in faction wars on Felucca.

Geez, it's been a couple months and already the hardcore players are in a rut. Give it another two months and some cheesy thrown together high queue battlefields full of stealthed rogues and I'll be accepting apologies left and right.

One quick question. Can you control pets in WoW like you could in DAoC where you order them to attack a specific target or is it really just agressive/defensive?

you control em

you're annoying me HoP...i miss UO enough without you bringing it up every chance you get :frown:

Maybe Blizz can come through with something better than what you just said. We'll certainly see.

[/quote]

My biggest complaint thus far is that the game seems to get less friendly to the casual gamer as you progress into higher levels. I'm worried that since I don't have time to do 5 instance runs a week I'll never get all the high end gear that I need the be effective in raids/battlefields.

I haven't made it to L60 yet, so this is all based on commentary from other players. I'm hoping my observations are wrong. In any case, I think the first expansion will make or break the game. Blizz has never let us down before, so I think they will get it right.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Malladine
you control em

you're annoying me HoP...i miss UO enough without you bringing it up every chance you get :frown:

Maybe Blizz can come through with something better than what you just said. We'll certainly see.

That's the big hope.......what will the first expansion pack bring. Unfortunately, I'm not sure, with these apparent server issues, if they're making much progress on that front. The battleground in DAoC were level specific......the ones in WoW don't look to be.

Tell me what you think about this. Ever since UXO (UO3 essentially) got closed down, I keep getting this feeling that they are going to port the UXO engine over to UO. Would there just be too many items on the screen at the same time for this to be possible? Would they modify spell range so it's the equivalent to half a screen distance and how would that affect PvP? I'm sure it would be easy to write an algorithm to convert the maps to 3D and then you'd just need artists to go touch everything up.

WoW will offer battlegrounds for most lvl players apparently.

Porting the engine would be fine, discounting the technical aspects, but if they keep gameplay in UO as it is today i wouldn't buy it. Has to be much closer to original for me...

The pvp side is a tough one. With UO you had isometric view, even the "3d" uo they released was isometric. This is central to uo's effectiveness, imo. I'd maybe like to see a warcraft 3 style thing, where the game world is fully 3d, but the view remains isometric with the option of playing in first person perhaps. it may be less "realistic" because you can see enemies approaching at all times from all angles (how about having a fog of war effect?) and your view range is limited to a fixed area on the screen centered on your avatar. But, that would certainly limit the strains placed on the engine due to tons of items everywhere and lessen lag dramatically, would it not? Plus it is a proven method.

With tracking and perhaps a map to alert you to "sounds" creeps and players make that your avatar can "hear" i think it would work.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by: skace
I'm already in the 'raid environment' which is like right where I left off in EQ. Strath tuesdays and thursdays, scholo wednesdays, ubrs everyday, key up for onyxia, and gear up for molten core.

that sounds so dull...

Definalty not dull.... these are hard places that still challenge you with mega L60 only groups...
but its the end game for now... its get geared up and ready for Onyxia and battlegrounds...

yeah but to have nothing to do but hitting the same 4-5 instances over and over...jeez. Are there many 60 quests for these places and the outside world or is it just raiding for a chance at some loot and a sense of accomplishment?

Nope the onyl reason to go to these places at 60 is to do the Onyxia quest which requires like 19000000000 trips to BRD/BRD to get blood for everyone... for thier key...

after everyone has key (which is VERY long and time consuming) only about half our L60s that have been farming these dungeons 6-8 times a day for 2 weeks have thier keys done...
will be another 2 weeks to get the rest of these keys done..
not to mention getting everyone their gear sets...

there is an "epic" gear set for each class that drops pieces in those 3 dungeons...
not to mention epic weps that drop off the bosses and are VERY rare... and I mean very rare like EQ dragon loot rare... so items may drop only 1 outa 50 kills... or less.. like deathstriker daggers...

its strictly gearing up for pvp and dragon raiding... and future content...

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by: skace
I'm already in the 'raid environment' which is like right where I left off in EQ. Strath tuesdays and thursdays, scholo wednesdays, ubrs everyday, key up for onyxia, and gear up for molten core.

that sounds so dull...

Definalty not dull.... these are hard places that still challenge you with mega L60 only groups...
but its the end game for now... its get geared up and ready for Onyxia and battlegrounds...

yeah but to have nothing to do but hitting the same 4-5 instances over and over...jeez. Are there many 60 quests for these places and the outside world or is it just raiding for a chance at some loot and a sense of accomplishment?

Nope the onyl reason to go to these places at 60 is to do the Onyxia quest which requires like 19000000000 trips to BRD/BRD to get blood for everyone... for thier key...

after everyone has key (which is VERY long and time consuming) only about half our L60s that have been farming these dungeons 6-8 times a day for 2 weeks have thier keys done...
will be another 2 weeks to get the rest of these keys done..
not to mention getting everyone their gear sets...

there is an "epic" gear set for each class that drops pieces in those 3 dungeons...
not to mention epic weps that drop off the bosses and are VERY rare... and I mean very rare like EQ dragon loot rare... so items may drop only 1 outa 50 kills... or less.. like deathstriker daggers...

its strictly gearing up for pvp and dragon raiding... and future content...

This brings me back to our differences CV
Hopefully WoW will offer more of my kinda end game content. No, i can't define what that is, but i do know that, for the most part, it isn't what you just wrote!

 

[Feneant2]

World of Warcraft even with all its problems right now is head and shoulders above Lineage 2.

Incidently, I play Eq2 and would probably not recommend it for another 3-4 months when the first expansion will be released. I know you did not ask for this one, but they are promising great things on expansions, things that have never been seen or done in the MMORPG market so it might be something to look into if you want more than grind for raids/gear.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: Zugzwang152
why has no one mentioned EQ2? :|

Because he did not ask about it.

that and it sucks worse than HoP!

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by: skace
I'm already in the 'raid environment' which is like right where I left off in EQ. Strath tuesdays and thursdays, scholo wednesdays, ubrs everyday, key up for onyxia, and gear up for molten core.

that sounds so dull...

Definalty not dull.... these are hard places that still challenge you with mega L60 only groups...
but its the end game for now... its get geared up and ready for Onyxia and battlegrounds...

yeah but to have nothing to do but hitting the same 4-5 instances over and over...jeez. Are there many 60 quests for these places and the outside world or is it just raiding for a chance at some loot and a sense of accomplishment?

Nope the onyl reason to go to these places at 60 is to do the Onyxia quest which requires like 19000000000 trips to BRD/BRD to get blood for everyone... for thier key...

after everyone has key (which is VERY long and time consuming) only about half our L60s that have been farming these dungeons 6-8 times a day for 2 weeks have thier keys done...
will be another 2 weeks to get the rest of these keys done..
not to mention getting everyone their gear sets...

there is an "epic" gear set for each class that drops pieces in those 3 dungeons...
not to mention epic weps that drop off the bosses and are VERY rare... and I mean very rare like EQ dragon loot rare... so items may drop only 1 outa 50 kills... or less.. like deathstriker daggers...

its strictly gearing up for pvp and dragon raiding... and future content...

This brings me back to our differences CV
Hopefully WoW will offer more of my kinda end game content. No, i can't define what that is, but i do know that, for the most part, it isn't what you just wrote!

This is why I didnt rush to 60.. ive been there done that... im 51 and just taking my time... playing when I feel like it... the game is great but like any realease product there isnt that much stuff at L60 to do yet...
still mnore than orginal EQ had on release at 50..
and more than EQ2 so far...

the only thing driving me to 60 is to be able to kill L60s gankers ... thats about it...
I work too much to really be concerened about farming gear over and over.... Im already doing that at sunken temple just to get to 55...

 

[skace]

A lot of the high end WoW quests send you through instances multiple times. Theres a quest in BRS to kill all the bosses and get some war documents. These war documents send you to kill some other dude (I forget who). Then you've gotta collect like 20 black dragon eyes from Upper BRS. Then you've got to kill a few dragons in other areas of the world. Then you've got to collect the blood of the boss of Upper BRS. These kind of quests keep you redoing instances many times. Not everyone is going to get 20 black dragon eyes in 1 run. Only 1 person can get the blood of the boss per run.

Also, a lot of the good item drops in instances are like 10% or lower drop rate. So you are going to be going back again and again and again if you want these items.

Heres my char: http://www.wowrankings.com/viewb.htm?id=8007

Click the icon that looks like a cup on that website to see what quests I've got left at the end game. You'll see that most are elite, I've gotten a few raid quests and also 1 PVP quest. A PVP quest requires you to kill an npc that is a quest npc for the other faction. This means usually alliance will be nearby and will most likely try to aid the npc.

The end game for me in WoW does not feel repetitive yet. The quests and story keep me wanting to go back to these dungeons multiple times. Once I'm done all the quests, it will most likely feel like a chore to continue raiding these places. But I expect new areas to be open by then. Or maybe I will spend my time doing alchemy or killing alliance, who knows.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: Zugzwang152
why has no one mentioned EQ2? :|

Because he did not ask about it.

that and it sucks worse than HoP!

Kal Vas Flam!

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: Zugzwang152
why has no one mentioned EQ2? :|

Because he did not ask about it.

that and it sucks worse than HoP!

Kal Vas Flam!

Corp Por

 

[RollWave]

Neither for now....consistent server crashings are not worth paying for imo...WOW has a way to go and L2 from what i hear sucks donkey balls.

Wait for somethign worth your money to come out

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: rnp614
Neither for now....consistent server crashings are not worth paying for imo...WOW has a way to go and L2 from what i hear sucks donkey balls.

Wait for somethign worth your money to come out

Wow's server don't consistently crash. In fact they've never crashed, certainly not mine. There's lag issues in large cities with lots of people around, auction house causes long pauses sometimes and the odd bit of unscheduled downtime but all in all my WoW experience has been relatively smooth.

 

[torpid]

Erm... Wow just has performance issues, which only affect you in certain areas at certain times on certain servers.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

WoW server issues only really apply if you are on one of those servers that has problems. I have never encountered any problems on mine. Just so happens that the ones with problems also have high population so there are lots of voices to complain!

Not that I am justifying any of their problems, because they shouldn't be happening, but its not as bad a problem as you may be lead to believe.

 

[torpid]

Erm... are you able to scroll down a large list of items in AH using the mouse wheel? That is the most annoying one for me, because I always forget. Then my comp hangs for 2-3 minutes.

 

[bontu]

yeah scrolling down the ah items when theres a long list, the client freezes up for a few secs. i think its downloading the item list or something.
but then it works just fine after that.

 

[aswedc]

No WoW server problems here. I play on Stonemaul (low pop.) and Thunderlord (medium pop.)