Linux Fanboys are funny :)

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: ultimatebob

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: ultimatebob

Originally posted by: kenshorin
I don't know why Linux fanboys hate Windows so much. If everyone used Linux, they would no longer be so uber-l33t.

Trust me, you don't realize how much Windows sucks until you have run a few dozen servers with it. Last week I had to reboot every single one of them and impact a few hundred users to patch a security hole in INTERNET EXPLORER. Yeah, that's right, a whole afternoon wasted to fix a bug in a frickin' WEB BROWSER!

Meanwhile, my Linux servers were unaffected as usual. And, even if I did have to patch the web browsers on then, I could do it without rebooting them or impacting my users in the slightest bit.

Meanwhile, you suck @ teh server, and I will now hit you over the head with the few decades of combined uptime at the university where I worked in IT administration.

/drops about 30 years spread over two dozen NT/2K servers on ultimatebob

- M4H

Oh, I bet that THOSE systems are real secure...

Most of the Microsoft security patches don't take effect until after you reboot them, just because of annoyingly integrated nature of the OS. On my xNIX boxes, however, I can just restart the affected service 90% of the time.

Please tell me how bouncing a service is any better than bouncing the box? You'll generally save a little time, but the disruption to those using the service will occur in both cases, and that is the cost associated with maintenance.

It's a Big difference, trust me. Rebooting means that everyone who uses the server is affected for 5 minutes or so, but restarting a network service means that just a few users that use that service are impacted for about 30 seconds. Besides, Windows servers often have a had habit of occassionally NOT coming back after rebooting after installing patches and service packs, due to various reasons.

And, yeah, the load balancing stuff is great if you can afford it! Most of my cheap customers would rather pay nothing for a Linux distrobution than pay $5,000 for 2 Windows 2000 Advanced Server licenses, though

 

[Staples]

I have a friend who is a total Linux fanboy. I go with him to some meeting sometime with other people who wouldn't touch Windows if it was the last thing on earth. I really hate these types of people. What you have to tell them is:

Does Windows work? Yes
Does it do everything I want I to do? Yes
Is there any reason I need to jump over to Linux? No

I love reading the comments on Slashdot because if the story is anything about Windows, you know it is going to have at least 500 Linux fanboy responses about how evil MS is.

 

[Tetsuo]

Originally posted by: Staples
I have a friend who is a total Linux fanboy. I go with him to some meeting sometime with other people who wouldn't touch Windows if it was the last thing on earth. I really hate these types of people. What you have to tell them is:

Does Windows work? Yes
Does it do everything I want I to do? Yes
Is there any reason I need to jump over to Linux? No

:beer:

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: ultimatebob

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: ultimatebob

Originally posted by: kenshorin
I don't know why Linux fanboys hate Windows so much. If everyone used Linux, they would no longer be so uber-l33t.

Trust me, you don't realize how much Windows sucks until you have run a few dozen servers with it. Last week I had to reboot every single one of them and impact a few hundred users to patch a security hole in INTERNET EXPLORER. Yeah, that's right, a whole afternoon wasted to fix a bug in a frickin' WEB BROWSER!

Meanwhile, my Linux servers were unaffected as usual. And, even if I did have to patch the web browsers on then, I could do it without rebooting them or impacting my users in the slightest bit.

Meanwhile, you suck @ teh server, and I will now hit you over the head with the few decades of combined uptime at the university where I worked in IT administration.

/drops about 30 years spread over two dozen NT/2K servers on ultimatebob

- M4H

Oh, I bet that THOSE systems are real secure...

Most of the Microsoft security patches don't take effect until after you reboot them, just because of annoyingly integrated nature of the OS. On my xNIX boxes, however, I can just restart the affected service 90% of the time.

Please tell me how bouncing a service is any better than bouncing the box? You'll generally save a little time, but the disruption to those using the service will occur in both cases, and that is the cost associated with maintenance.

It's a Big difference, trust me. Rebooting means that everyone who uses the server is affected for 5 minutes or so, but restarting a network service means that just a few users that use that service are impacted for about 30 seconds. Besides, Windows servers often have a had habit of occassionally NOT coming back after rebooting after installing patches and service packs, due to various reasons.

And, yeah, the load balancing stuff is great if you can afford it! Most of my cheap customers would rather pay nothing for a Linux distrobution than pay $5,000 for 2 Windows 2000 Advanced Server licenses, though

I oversee probably about 50 boxen with a mix of SCO, AIX, HP-UX, Linux, and Windows across multiple organizations, so I'm very familiar with the incessant reboots; however, the main cost associated with applying updates is with notifying the users, not the reboot itself. It sometimes takes hours to get all the users out of the system properly before I can do anything, so a five minute reboot is really moot.

The increase in productivity I see in many other areas of Windows more than compensates for the annoying reboots. I don't see why that was your qualitative criteria for "Windows sucks" is all.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Staples
I have a friend who is a total Linux fanboy. I go with him to some meeting sometime with other people who wouldn't touch Windows if it was the last thing on earth. I really hate these types of people. What you have to tell them is:

Does Windows work? Yes
Does it do everything I want I to do? Yes
Is there any reason I need to jump over to Linux? No

I love reading the comments on Slashdot because if the story is anything about Windows, you know it is going to have at least 500 Linux fanboy responses about how evil MS is.

I never understood the need to switch in the first place. It's a tool, and anyone of sufficient skill requires more than one tool. I can't use Windows for everything anymore than I can fix my sink with a damn hammer, and the same is true with Linux.

 

[TommyVercetti]

Can Linux be run as a domain controller and have something like group policy and automatic software installations to control the desktops?

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Can Linux be run as a domain controller and have something like group policy and automatic software installations to control the desktops?

With Samba, yes. I'm not familiar with how Samba handles group policies, so I don't know if it's functionally analogous to Windows or not.

 

[Gagabiji]

Martin is great for a laugh.