Lion vs. Tiger

[randomrogue]

Given a choice between this thread and some of the others I choose this one. Entertaining and has some actual content. Keep up the good fight and don't let the haters bring you down.

 

[BigBarney]

I bet I could, I put them together so I would know...do you ever read a book an just forget the entire thing right after?

no but i peruse threads like this and go 'this guy has some mental issues' and then forget everything he copy/pasted right after.

 

[Silver Prime]

Given a choice between this thread and some of the others I choose this one. Entertaining and has some actual content. Keep up the good fight and don't let the haters bring you down.

No worrys mate, in terms of data on subject we havent even covered half the data, geez not even 1/10th the data on topic. Theres still so much to learn, you cant tell me that only the 30 historical artifacts an documents from rome that I provided is all there is after almost 3,000 years of the sport of venatios can you, theres literaly tens of thousands just waiting to be discovered an converted into english so guys like us can read them an share there past history an thats just one culture, practically 70% of the world has remnents an has experinced something similar like the romans, its just not presented you have to discover it in there native oragins. lol

Same goes with the topic it self, there are so much catagories to impliment, so even if I ever did buckle down an get serious in putting in over time in the search I wont be able to find nearly half of the information on subject, but what I can do is at-least gather what little I can an make a decent assumption thats creditable. But yeah, we'll see mate its no biggie.
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But yeah.. Dalen, I just remembered another place where you can show bold to ask for more creditable information on weights for both lions and tigers, I got it from Zoo keeper Gabe, the same guy who presented the 850 pound lion named Rhino...its called Icun...an they have a huge archive of documented weights, I was going to check out my self, but havent got the time...but heres a sample of there site, you can find out there email an ask for a list of weights heres there site--->

http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/15951/0

 

[zinfamous]

I clearly dont own it? I'm hawaiian by blood we own this whole island, what the hell are you talking about. This island is property of the hawaiian sovernty's, we arnt owned by the usa we are a part of it, big difference. lol I uproot? XD Thats a laugh, we hawaiian respect our aina, an we ask Oahu as in our island before we just taking anything...you have missed the part you just quoted where I say I pick our plants with Respect...the same way we cut trees down for canoes we ask permission an bless the tree first...the same way we take anything we ask first.

Unlike you white red neck idiots who take an take without thinking of the eco-system, we Hawaiians actually respect our aina. An the Karma part came back to the white men I sold the plants too, they took most of the land an taxed it, so I'm taxing them back...hence=Karma XD XD XD XD

lol. you are such a useless tool. white redneck idiots, eh? good one. you ask the plant for respect before selling it to "white rich idiots."

what a racist, idiot, dickbag you are.

 

[BigBarney]

lol. you are such a useless tool. white redneck idiots, eh? good one. you ask the plant for respect before selling it to "white rich idiots."

what a racist, idiot, dickbag you are.

you don't buy maui wowi that has been asked for respect, prior to cutting?

it gets you higher

 

[Silver Prime]

lol. you are such a useless tool. white redneck idiots, eh? good one. you ask the plant for respect before selling it to "white rich idiots."

what a racist, idiot, dickbag you are.

I aint racist fool, but you can say I dont like idiot red neck trolls. XD XE Of course I ask first its what my kapunas taught me to do an what they been doing for hundreds to thousands of years, an I'm in that line of bisness anyway you pay attention much, landscaping idiot...so I just charge them thousands of dollars for flower arangements an beatifying there yard, but for hawaiians an locals I give them kama'aina rates, because they cant afford them let alone they'd already know that they are free to pick as long as you show respect an dont be po-pa kiki about it.

In fact, what you idiots dont understand is everything is free, everything, you just have to gather it an produce it your self.

Your just mad that your predators neck was broken like a tooth pick from the terminator. XD

 

[Battle Cat]

Given a choice between this thread and some of the others I choose this one. Entertaining and has some actual content. Keep up the good fight and don't let the haters bring you down.

Thanks, yeah the point to a lot of this info is there is loads of bias against the lion and much of it isn't true. If someone truly wanted to know which cat was bigger tougher between a lion and tiger, after surfing the net, the person could only come to one conclusion, the tiger is superior to the lion in every way. That is what you will learn if you want to research the differences. The problem is it isn't true, for what ever reason, maybe because the lion is a Jewish symbol British European or Roman, or because it has become steryotyped as lazy, letting all the females do the work hunt while the tiger has to hunt for its self.

What ever the reason, the internet is chalk full of lies about the lion and exaggerations about the tiger. So that has been are point, both creatures are amazing, but one creature is designed for fighting and that is the lion, it is the only cat like this, that is why it has the mane, why it has more combat skills and instincts, but again you have to search hard to find the truth out because there is so much bias against the lion in favor of the tiger.

 

[Battle Cat]

No worrys mate, in terms of data on subject we havent even covered half the data, geez not even 1/10th the data on topic. Theres still so much to learn, you cant tell me that only the 30 historical artifacts an documents from rome that I provided is all there is after almost 3,000 years of the sport of venatios can you, theres literaly tens of thousands just waiting to be discovered an converted into english so guys like us can read them an share there past history an thats just one culture, practically 70% of the world has remnents an has experinced something similar like the romans, its just not presented you have to discover it in there native oragins. lol

Same goes with the topic it self, there are so much catagories to impliment, so even if I ever did buckle down an get serious in putting in over time in the search I wont be able to find nearly half of the information on subject, but what I can do is at-least gather what little I can an make a decent assumption thats creditable. But yeah, we'll see mate its no biggie.
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But yeah.. Dalen, I just remembered another place where you can show bold to ask for more creditable information on weights for both lions and tigers, I got it from Zoo keeper Gabe, the same guy who presented the 850 pound lion named Rhino...its called Icun...an they have a huge archive of documented weights, I was going to check out my self, but havent got the time...but heres a sample of there site, you can find out there email an ask for a list of weights heres there site--->

http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/15951/0

Prime thanks a lot, I'll check this out, I'll send this link to Bold too.

 

[Silver Prime]

Thanks, yeah the point to a lot of this info is there is loads of bias against the lion and much of it isn't true. If someone truly wanted to know which cat was bigger tougher between a lion and tiger, after surfing the net, the person could only come to one conclusion, the tiger is superior to the lion in every way. That is what you will learn if you want to research the differences. The problem is it isn't true, for what ever reason, maybe because the lion is a Jewish symbol British European or Roman, or because it has become steryotyped as lazy, letting all the females do the work hunt while the tiger has to hunt for its self.

What ever the reason, the internet is chalk full of lies about the lion and exaggerations about the tiger. So that has been are point, both creatures are amazing, but one creature is designed for fighting and that is the lion, it is the only cat like this, that is why it has the mane, why it has more combat skills and instincts, but again you have to search hard to find the truth out because there is so much bias against the lion in favor of the tiger.

I got a few minutes to spare before I head out...

Yeah, basically all I want is for people to except the fact that it can go either way an should be a 50/50, but every fanatic is coming up with the same B.S that the tiger is bigger, stronger, faster, bigger claws an all that jazz, yet they never present anything of credability. An its like all of a sudden every person on earth is a zoologist, if you show a tiger an lion thats the same size, they say ahh thats a female tiger or its not full grow...XD how do they know these things, why isint there any records to back up there claims bias properganda thats why. Just like the korean pit fights, theres a 2005 poster who was one of the oldest to bring it up an studyed it and claimed 4 tigers died an only 1 lion...an the koreans dident even present the 4 tigers video, only the lion dying video. but the maneless lion dident look as banged up as the tiger even more so.

Stuff like the male lion dosent hunt too is hilarious when youtube can show over 20 occaisions only males present an over 1,000 pictures. If the lion had truley devolped a properganda as fanatics claimed then the tlion should have also been titled the largest cat in the world, thats what they do exaggerate, but he isint, everything about the lion radiates truth, so what weights you can find are dead on accurtae about the lion, yet weights for the tiger then you have a list of 900-1,200 pound tigers without one that even has a link for credability, an when they do show the little with pictures, it looks no bigger than a 500 pound tiger. lol

A fair assesment is that to much to ask?

I can cover one more catagorie before I head out...hunting an killing feats.

 

[KMFJD]

Honey Badger does not give a shit about your Lions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iksnk1YVkac

 

[Silver Prime]

Tigers are mainly solitary, but I did provide some cases on the past pages that tigers can an have hunted in mini prides an coaltions, yet still the tiger hasent much records of killing anything bigger than a guar consistantly. The fact in the matter is, no animal can lay claim on killing the biggest prey items on land which is the Rhino, Giraffe, Hippo and Elephant. Hyenas and wolves have greater numbers than lions yet still no accounts of them killing em, lions are the only animals that can lay claim that they occaisionally to almost rutinely take down the biggest titans on earth. So in terms there survival an hunting "feats" are also another factual implimation in why and how the lion got his title the...

King of the Beast



Proof that male lions can hunt alone without the pride
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo4cGB0U4iQ
http://i55.tinypic.com/142hrb4.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-53xIYjkt_Po/ToRm4r3o_iI/AAAAAAAAC6A/x4eCZQYwljw/s1600/sept2011_1272.JPG
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_--uX6KPhHpQ/TRXAXC87q1I/AAAAAAAAAiY/hwEoezMD7mg/s1600/Kill.4.jpg
http://www.leopardhills.com/blog/media/22/Lion_and_Buffalo.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYaLvI36kEk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoENHiZnIsc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8DeJGfZnRk




{Lions Predation on Hippos}

Not far from this pride another pride in Linyanti Botswana specializes in killing Hippo.
http://www.botswana.co.za/Botswana_Wildlife_Behaviour-travel/feeding.html

Fourth hippo killed.
The five male lions coalition (Notch & sons) killed a Hippo near Rekero last night. I found them this morning feeding ont he hippo, though Notch himself had already eaten and was sleeping in the shade about a hundred metres for the carcass.
As the morning sun started getting hot, the lions left the carcass one by one untill only one was left and this one decided to guard the carcass from the Hyenas that were waiting around.
While watching this, some four Buffalo bulls came towards the carcass. They soon picked the scent of the lions and they started charing at two males that were sleeping in the bush, driving them away from the vicinity of the carcass, although Notch was spared since he was a bit further. The Buffaloes left breifely before coming back and started chasing the lions again around. This time they went upto the carcass and drove away the one that was watching over it, and drove them away including Notch.
After this drama which lasted half of the morning, the Buffaloes gave up and left the lions to continue with feast. This is the fourth Hippo we have seen recently killed by the five. It seems they are now tunring to the Hippos since there is not much else to hunt.
http://paul-kirui.blogspot.com/2012/01/lion-and-buffalo-drama-in-mara.html

lion have killed and fed
off three hippos this month
http://bushwarriors.org/2012/05/11/stories-from-the-bush-governors-camp-game-report-masai-mara/

Besides isolated cases of Hippo predation by Lions their main threat is from humans. That said there is a pride of Lions in northern Botswana that used to prey on Hippo regularly. The majority of Hippo / predator interaction is from Hippo defending their territories from roaming predators.
http://animalsversesanimals.yuku.com/topic/2811/Lion-and-Tiger-fight-info-request?page=7

Results 1 - 15 of 131 ... Filmed in Botswana, from about 10 feet away from the lion. The lion had killed the
hippo the night before. The hippo is belly up.
http://apis.videosurf.com/videos/hippo+kill+lion

Pilanesberg National Park, South Africa
http://static.environmentalgraffiti.com/sites/default/files/images/4_lion_next_to_hippo.jpg
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4057/4690080721_cda01777e0_z.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qIHmoaOSCZA/T55azVgFxTI/AAAAAAAABEs/cu3J3Lb5i54/s1600/DSCF1512.JPG
http://www.sanparks.org/gallery/d/21055-3/10_001.jpg
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/jiPCb_BIFAY/0.jpg
http://m.casolaphoto.com/photos/wild-beasts/Lion and Hippo.jpg
http://www.sanparks.org/about/news/2006/images/pubsightings/hippo/12.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2661/4032167469_81b4a2b129_z.jpg?zz=1
http://static2.dmcdn.net/static/video/401/421/17124104:jpeg_preview_medium.jpg?20110821110038
http://bushwarriors.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Notch-near-figtree-with-hippo-kill-300x225.jpg
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/2Tp0_ed1LuE/0.jpg
http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/11971780b08d26f1dbe4168a82a12ns9.jpg
http://images.photoresearchers.com/photos/preview/na/na1360.jpg
http://heleenvandeven.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/img_5483.jpg
http://comps.canstockphoto.com/can-stock-photo_csp7952683.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ejsX4vdPN3s/T55bGKsquCI/AAAAAAAABE8/TnoHn09kn5k/s1600/DSCF1557.JPG
http://www.casttv.com/video/90rg1z/a-lone-male-lion-kills-a-hippo-video
http://www.freemansafaris.com/Notch_hippo_2.jpg
http://books.google.com/books?id=QT...X&ei=FG9WUNXmOI6NigKPt4GAAw&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBDgK

{Lions Predation on Giraffes}

Both male (bulls) and female (cows) giraffe can live to about 25 years (even longer in captivity). But even the world’s tallest animal has enemies. Giraffe mortality rates vary from region to region dependant on density of natural predators. Even adult male giraffe are predated by lions.
http://www.giraffeconservation.org/giraffe_facts.php?pgid=17
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FxkJDfWOcVo/TNKJyEWuDcI/AAAAAAAAADg/smH_92u2_v4/s1600/lion_knp-0292m.jpg
http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/9Mrdsb4rJyM/0.jpg
http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad19/JinenFordragon/DSCN1086.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2FPG2wXhXY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2m1IbLicLY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJg7dLnHZgo


{Lions Predation on Rhinos}

Lions kill yet another rhino!
Phinda's north pride has managed to kill their fourth white rhino in as many years. The prides dominant male, we believe him to be around 250kg , with the weight and power to accomplish such a feit. One of these kills was witnessed, and started out with the sub-adults chasing and almost "playing" with the rhino . When the dominant male got up and grabbed the rhino over its muzzle, the rest of the pride subsequently took interest and started to jump on the rhino's back, untill the animal was brought down. The male took half an hour to then suffocate the animal. Lets hope they don't start taking interest in our black rhino!!
http://www.wildwatch.com/sightings/lions-kill-yet-another-rhino

Lions Kill White Rhino
The coalition of male lions at Exeter has finally killed again, this after numerous failures earlier in the week. Amazingly, four of the six males killed a sub-adult White Rhino last night.
http://www.wildwatch.com/sightings/lions-kill-white-rhino


Lions were seen moving away from rhinos which had deliberately advanced when they had become aware of the presence of the pride (Goddard 1967). Goddard further reported that, in August 1967, a sub-adult lion attempted to attack an 11 month old rhino calf. The mother was close at hand and engaged the lion. The lion bit the females hock and clawed its thigh but was gored twice by the rhino in the centre of the ribs and then in the centre of the neck followed by a blow through the base of the jaw that killed it.

A freshly killed, black rhino carcass was found with an adult male lion by Elliot (1987) in Umfolozi Game Reserve. There were signs of a struggle and well defined claw and tooth marks on the neck of the rhino which had a horn length of 18-20 cm making it probably two year old. It was concluded that there was strong circumstantial evidence that the lion had killed the rhino.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Lion+...k+Rhinoceros+and+its+potential...-a0268790518

lion’s are the cause of 2009’s census of predating on Rhino’s
The article offers information on the predation of the African Black Rhinoceros by lions and its effects on the population performance of the species. As stated, the main indicator of population performance of the rhinos is taken into consideration by the natural increase in their population size including both birth and mortalities as a result of lion attacks. It further states that the predation of rhinos have resulted in the decline of their population growth rate since 2009.
http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/a...-black-rhinoceros-potential-effect-management
lion’s kill 3 rhino’s in 1995
www.rhinoresourcecenter.com/pdf_files/117/1175858056.pdf

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm261/liontiger2424/82f27f9a.jpg
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w25/atrox_photo/rino3.jpg
http://www.backpackersjohannesburg.co.za/pilanesberg/pix/rhinolion12may05.jpg http://www.backpackersjohannesburg.co.za/pilanesberg/datesf.html



{Lions Predations on Elephant’s}

Lion Predation on Elephants in the Savuti, Chobe National Park, Botswana

A pride of lions killed one elephant every three days. Seven of eight elephants killed were between four and 11 years old, as deduced from molar teeth ageing, and this age group represented over half the kills recorded by Joubert ( 2006 ).. Notes are presented on the lion's behaviour in hunting elephants and the evolutionary significance of this.
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.3377/004.044.0104?journalCode=afzo
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.The Lions of Savuti: Hunting with the Moon records something like 15 years of observations, and even in 1990 the Jouberts were estimating that about 20% of the Savuti lion's diet was made up of elephant.

http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2009/02/lions_as_macropredators.php

..males amounted to 236 confirmed attempts versus 38 for females!). They adopted a special hunting style that they use for other dangerous large prey animals, attacking from the back by ambush. And during all these hunts (which totaled 74 kills out of 323 attempts) only one lion was confirmed injured. The paper doesn't say how serious the injury was, or if it
was eventually fatal,

http://johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/life_history/risk/lion_elephant_predation_2006.html

The two Lionesses had just brought down an elephant cow of approximately ten years old.
http://lionprides.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/lionelephant14.jpg?w=300&h=199

Funston, P. J., Mills, M. G. L., Biggs, H. C. & Richardson, P. R. K. 1998. Hunting by male lions: ecological influences and socioecological implications. Animal Behaviour 56, 1333-1345.
Patterson, B. D. 2004. The Lions of Tsavo: Exploring the Legacy of Africa's Notorious Man-Eaters . McGraw-Hill, New York.

Schaller, G. 1972. The Serengeti Lion . University of Chicago Press, Chicago.
http://darrennaish.blogspot.com/2006/11/giant-killers-macropredation-in-lions.html
http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2009/02/lions_as_macropredators.php

One thing is clear, the lion or pride has no problem taking down elephants age4-15 in front of healthy bulls or cows, also.....Hunts were less commonly attempted on calves ,the same applies to rhinos.

Monday, August 8, 2011
Who is the true king of the Jungle?
Wait for it…
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aesucILeY...VxuAe_Erg/s1600/ele+and+lion+kings+pool+1.jpg
Shazam!!!
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-E__lEaWaZ...uW1-9SmpQ/s1600/ele+and+lion+kings+pool+2.jpg
Elephant: I’m 9,000 pound’s an will smash you to death…
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_73/1153823815gDuR44.jpg
Lion: I eat you, not the other way around…Elephant: Oh yeah try me!
http://www.alovelyworld.com/webnamib/gimage/nam029.jpg
Lion: ROAR! Dun dun duuuuuuun…
http://images.travelpod.com/tw_slides/ta00/9c4/b42/the-lion-eating-the-elephant-kasane.jpg

http://ih2.redbubble.net/work.2223809.6.flat,550x550,075,f.lion-eating-an-elephant.jpg
http://images.travelpod.com/tw_slides/ta00/9c4/b42/the-lion-eating-the-elephant-kasane.jpg
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Lions rarely prey on elephants. Botswana's Savuti lions, however, switch to preying on elephants during the late dry season (August-November), and the frequency of this has increased in the last two decades (1985–2005). An opportunity to document this phenomenon was made possible with infrared viewing and filming equipment. A pride of 30 lions killed one elephant every three days. Seven of eight elephants killed were between four and 11 years old, as deduced from molar teeth ageing, and this age group represented over half the kills recorded by Joubert ( 2006 ). It is suggested that this weaned, maternally less dependent age class, may be more vulnerable to lion predation. Lions prey on elephants since the density of conventional ungulate prey is reduced as a result of an annual migration, and artificial water provisioning has prompted an increasingly sedentary population of elephants. Notes are presented on the lion's behaviour in hunting elephants and the evolutionary significance of this.
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.3377/004.044.0104?journalCode=afzo
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Here’s a site that has account’s pass 200 of lion’s killing elephant’s account’s.
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http://www.perfectafrica.com/img/galleries/289/male-lions-with-elephant-kill.jpg
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http://www.bohlaletours.co.za/cms//...ay//KNP Elephant Kill 1 Lion June2002.JPG.jpg
http://www.wholesale-prints.net/MAA0874/MAA0874392.jpg
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Now why is it that the tiger is solitary and the lion chooses to form groups called prides? Its because the tigers habitat an prey its self are in smaller magnitudes which a kill can only feed a certain quanity, there prey are in smaller groups an are smaller in size, this is why the tiger has adapted more to stealth, because jungle an forest settings are thicker so pack hunters are fewer. Lions simply being large must consume more than the leopard and cheetah so they must target larger prey so tactically an intelictually they target animals as big as Elephants which rutinely requires help not to mention being they are in direct competition with herds and migrations so actually herds such as buffaloes, elephants an other large group of animals kill lions more than vice versa in terms over all amount of agressional migrating from cubs all the way to adults, an there animals in jungle settings like elephants, rhinos an hippos unlike the tigers habitat kin of animal groups are in smaller sizes...so basically everything in africa are in herds an larger its just evolution at its best to form up to survive against these...

Migration’s and Herds

http://thewildsource.com/img/cape-buffalo-herd.jpg
http://www.eastafricashuttles.com/images/migration.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwyewsGNf0k
http://www.beaute-dafrique.com/images/elephant herd.jpg
http://wodumedia.com/wp-content/uploads/Elephant-Herds-Crossing-Lake-Bed-in-Sun.jpeg
http://img.ehowcdn.com/article-new/ehow/images/a08/84/gu/reproductive-system-hippo-800x800.jpg
http://africanphotoart.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/rhino-herd.jpg
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But you know, even though you have an entire herd to back you up, that wont always stop the lion from killing your kind...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9fzXmcUgGI

 

[Silver Prime]

Honey Badger does not give a shit about your Lions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iksnk1YVkac

At both 40 pounds, I'd bet a Colby line pitbull the most gamest bloodline of any era dog:

would smash a honey badger in the hunt, not a dought in my mind, a honey badger is from the weasel family so they have one of the most agression issues out of all animals, still has no quarel with the word Gameness.

 

[Battle Cat]

Tigers are mainly solitary, but I did provide some cases on the past pages that tigers can an have hunted in mini prides an coaltions, yet still the tiger hasent much records of killing anything bigger than a guar consistantly. The fact in the matter is, no animal can lay claim on killing the biggest prey items on land which is the Rhino, Giraffe, Hippo and Elephant. Hyenas and wolves have greater numbers than lions yet still no accounts of them killing em, lions are the only animals that can lay claim that they occaisionally to almost rutinely take down the biggest titans on earth. So in terms there survival an hunting "feats" are also another factual implimation in why and how the lion got his title the...

King of the Beast



Proof that male lions can hunt alone without the pride
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo4cGB0U4iQ
http://i55.tinypic.com/142hrb4.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-53xIYjkt_Po/ToRm4r3o_iI/AAAAAAAAC6A/x4eCZQYwljw/s1600/sept2011_1272.JPG
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_--uX6KPhHpQ/TRXAXC87q1I/AAAAAAAAAiY/hwEoezMD7mg/s1600/Kill.4.jpg
http://www.leopardhills.com/blog/media/22/Lion_and_Buffalo.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYaLvI36kEk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoENHiZnIsc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8DeJGfZnRk




{Lions Predation on Hippos}

Not far from this pride another pride in Linyanti Botswana specializes in killing Hippo.
http://www.botswana.co.za/Botswana_Wildlife_Behaviour-travel/feeding.html

Fourth hippo killed.
The five male lions coalition (Notch & sons) killed a Hippo near Rekero last night. I found them this morning feeding ont he hippo, though Notch himself had already eaten and was sleeping in the shade about a hundred metres for the carcass.
As the morning sun started getting hot, the lions left the carcass one by one untill only one was left and this one decided to guard the carcass from the Hyenas that were waiting around.
While watching this, some four Buffalo bulls came towards the carcass. They soon picked the scent of the lions and they started charing at two males that were sleeping in the bush, driving them away from the vicinity of the carcass, although Notch was spared since he was a bit further. The Buffaloes left breifely before coming back and started chasing the lions again around. This time they went upto the carcass and drove away the one that was watching over it, and drove them away including Notch.
After this drama which lasted half of the morning, the Buffaloes gave up and left the lions to continue with feast. This is the fourth Hippo we have seen recently killed by the five. It seems they are now tunring to the Hippos since there is not much else to hunt.
http://paul-kirui.blogspot.com/2012/01/lion-and-buffalo-drama-in-mara.html

lion have killed and fed
off three hippos this month
http://bushwarriors.org/2012/05/11/stories-from-the-bush-governors-camp-game-report-masai-mara/

Besides isolated cases of Hippo predation by Lions their main threat is from humans. That said there is a pride of Lions in northern Botswana that used to prey on Hippo regularly. The majority of Hippo / predator interaction is from Hippo defending their territories from roaming predators.
http://animalsversesanimals.yuku.com/topic/2811/Lion-and-Tiger-fight-info-request?page=7

Results 1 - 15 of 131 ... Filmed in Botswana, from about 10 feet away from the lion. The lion had killed the
hippo the night before. The hippo is belly up.
http://apis.videosurf.com/videos/hippo+kill+lion

Pilanesberg National Park, South Africa
http://static.environmentalgraffiti.com/sites/default/files/images/4_lion_next_to_hippo.jpg
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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qIHmoaOSCZA/T55azVgFxTI/AAAAAAAABEs/cu3J3Lb5i54/s1600/DSCF1512.JPG
http://www.sanparks.org/gallery/d/21055-3/10_001.jpg
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/jiPCb_BIFAY/0.jpg
http://m.casolaphoto.com/photos/wild-beasts/Lion and Hippo.jpg
http://www.sanparks.org/about/news/2006/images/pubsightings/hippo/12.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2661/4032167469_81b4a2b129_z.jpg?zz=1
http://static2.dmcdn.net/static/video/401/421/17124104:jpeg_preview_medium.jpg?20110821110038
http://bushwarriors.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Notch-near-figtree-with-hippo-kill-300x225.jpg
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/2Tp0_ed1LuE/0.jpg
http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/11971780b08d26f1dbe4168a82a12ns9.jpg
http://images.photoresearchers.com/photos/preview/na/na1360.jpg
http://heleenvandeven.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/img_5483.jpg
http://comps.canstockphoto.com/can-stock-photo_csp7952683.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ejsX4vdPN3s/T55bGKsquCI/AAAAAAAABE8/TnoHn09kn5k/s1600/DSCF1557.JPG
http://www.casttv.com/video/90rg1z/a-lone-male-lion-kills-a-hippo-video
http://www.freemansafaris.com/Notch_hippo_2.jpg
http://books.google.com/books?id=QT...X&ei=FG9WUNXmOI6NigKPt4GAAw&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBDgK

{Lions Predation on Giraffes}

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FxkJDfWOcVo/TNKJyEWuDcI/AAAAAAAAADg/smH_92u2_v4/s1600/lion_knp-0292m.jpg
http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/9Mrdsb4rJyM/0.jpg
http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad19/JinenFordragon/DSCN1086.jpg


{Lions Predation on Rhinos}

Lions kill yet another rhino!
Phinda's north pride has managed to kill their fourth white rhino in as many years. The prides dominant male, we believe him to be around 250kg , with the weight and power to accomplish such a feit. One of these kills was witnessed, and started out with the sub-adults chasing and almost "playing" with the rhino . When the dominant male got up and grabbed the rhino over its muzzle, the rest of the pride subsequently took interest and started to jump on the rhino's back, untill the animal was brought down. The male took half an hour to then suffocate the animal. Lets hope they don't start taking interest in our black rhino!!
http://www.wildwatch.com/sightings/lions-kill-yet-another-rhino

Lions Kill White Rhino
The coalition of male lions at Exeter has finally killed again, this after numerous failures earlier in the week. Amazingly, four of the six males killed a sub-adult White Rhino last night.
http://www.wildwatch.com/sightings/lions-kill-white-rhino


Lions were seen moving away from rhinos which had deliberately advanced when they had become aware of the presence of the pride (Goddard 1967). Goddard further reported that, in August 1967, a sub-adult lion attempted to attack an 11 month old rhino calf. The mother was close at hand and engaged the lion. The lion bit the females hock and clawed its thigh but was gored twice by the rhino in the centre of the ribs and then in the centre of the neck followed by a blow through the base of the jaw that killed it.

A freshly killed, black rhino carcass was found with an adult male lion by Elliot (1987) in Umfolozi Game Reserve. There were signs of a struggle and well defined claw and tooth marks on the neck of the rhino which had a horn length of 18-20 cm making it probably two year old. It was concluded that there was strong circumstantial evidence that the lion had killed the rhino.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Lion+...k+Rhinoceros+and+its+potential...-a0268790518

lion’s are the cause of 2009’s census of predating on Rhino’s
The article offers information on the predation of the African Black Rhinoceros by lions and its effects on the population performance of the species. As stated, the main indicator of population performance of the rhinos is taken into consideration by the natural increase in their population size including both birth and mortalities as a result of lion attacks. It further states that the predation of rhinos have resulted in the decline of their population growth rate since 2009.
http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/a...-black-rhinoceros-potential-effect-management
lion’s kill 3 rhino’s in 1995
www.rhinoresourcecenter.com/pdf_files/117/1175858056.pdf

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm261/liontiger2424/82f27f9a.jpg
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w25/atrox_photo/rino3.jpg
http://www.backpackersjohannesburg.co.za/pilanesberg/pix/rhinolion12may05.jpg http://www.backpackersjohannesburg.co.za/pilanesberg/datesf.html



{Lions Predations on Elephant’s}

Lion Predation on Elephants in the Savuti, Chobe National Park, Botswana

A pride of lions killed one elephant every three days. Seven of eight elephants killed were between four and 11 years old, as deduced from molar teeth ageing, and this age group represented over half the kills recorded by Joubert ( 2006 ).. Notes are presented on the lion's behaviour in hunting elephants and the evolutionary significance of this.
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.3377/004.044.0104?journalCode=afzo
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.The Lions of Savuti: Hunting with the Moon records something like 15 years of observations, and even in 1990 the Jouberts were estimating that about 20% of the Savuti lion's diet was made up of elephant.

http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2009/02/lions_as_macropredators.php

..males amounted to 236 confirmed attempts versus 38 for females!). They adopted a special hunting style that they use for other dangerous large prey animals, attacking from the back by ambush. And during all these hunts (which totaled 74 kills out of 323 attempts) only one lion was confirmed injured. The paper doesn't say how serious the injury was, or if it
was eventually fatal,

http://johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/life_history/risk/lion_elephant_predation_2006.html

The two Lionesses had just brought down an elephant cow of approximately ten years old.
http://lionprides.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/lionelephant14.jpg?w=300&h=199

Funston, P. J., Mills, M. G. L., Biggs, H. C. & Richardson, P. R. K. 1998. Hunting by male lions: ecological influences and socioecological implications. Animal Behaviour 56, 1333-1345.
Patterson, B. D. 2004. The Lions of Tsavo: Exploring the Legacy of Africa's Notorious Man-Eaters . McGraw-Hill, New York.

Schaller, G. 1972. The Serengeti Lion . University of Chicago Press, Chicago.
http://darrennaish.blogspot.com/2006/11/giant-killers-macropredation-in-lions.html
http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2009/02/lions_as_macropredators.php

One thing is clear, the lion or pride has no problem taking down elephants age4-15 in front of healthy bulls or cows, also.....Hunts were less commonly attempted on calves ,the same applies to rhinos.

Monday, August 8, 2011
Who is the true king of the Jungle?
Wait for it…
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aesucILeY...VxuAe_Erg/s1600/ele+and+lion+kings+pool+1.jpg
Shazam!!!
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-E__lEaWaZ...uW1-9SmpQ/s1600/ele+and+lion+kings+pool+2.jpg
Elephant: I’m 9,000 pound’s an will smash you to death…
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_73/1153823815gDuR44.jpg
Lion: I eat you, not the other way around…Elephant: Oh yeah try me!
http://www.alovelyworld.com/webnamib/gimage/nam029.jpg
Lion: ROAR! Dun dun duuuuuuun…
http://images.travelpod.com/tw_slides/ta00/9c4/b42/the-lion-eating-the-elephant-kasane.jpg

http://ih2.redbubble.net/work.2223809.6.flat,550x550,075,f.lion-eating-an-elephant.jpg
http://images.travelpod.com/tw_slides/ta00/9c4/b42/the-lion-eating-the-elephant-kasane.jpg
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Lions rarely prey on elephants. Botswana's Savuti lions, however, switch to preying on elephants during the late dry season (August-November), and the frequency of this has increased in the last two decades (1985–2005). An opportunity to document this phenomenon was made possible with infrared viewing and filming equipment. A pride of 30 lions killed one elephant every three days. Seven of eight elephants killed were between four and 11 years old, as deduced from molar teeth ageing, and this age group represented over half the kills recorded by Joubert ( 2006 ). It is suggested that this weaned, maternally less dependent age class, may be more vulnerable to lion predation. Lions prey on elephants since the density of conventional ungulate prey is reduced as a result of an annual migration, and artificial water provisioning has prompted an increasingly sedentary population of elephants. Notes are presented on the lion's behaviour in hunting elephants and the evolutionary significance of this.
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.3377/004.044.0104?journalCode=afzo
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Here’s a site that has account’s pass 200 of lion’s killing elephant’s account’s.
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http://www.perfectafrica.com/img/galleries/289/male-lions-with-elephant-kill.jpg
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http://www.bohlaletours.co.za/cms//...ay//KNP Elephant Kill 1 Lion June2002.JPG.jpg
http://www.wholesale-prints.net/MAA0874/MAA0874392.jpg
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Now why is it that the tiger is solitary and the lion chooses to form groups called prides? Its because the tigers habitat an prey its self are in smaller magnitudes which a kill can only feed a certain quanity, there prey are in smaller groups an are smaller in size, this is why the tiger has adapted more to stealth, because jungle an forest settings are thicker so pack hunters are fewer. Lions simply being large must consume more than the leopard and cheetah so they must target larger prey so tactically an intelictually they target animals as big as Elephants which rutinely requires help not to mention being they are in direct competition with herds and migrations so actually herds such as buffaloes, elephants an other large group of animals kill lions more than vice versa in terms over all amount of agressional migrating from cubs all the way to adults, an there animals in jungle settings like elephants, rhinos an hippos unlike the tigers habitat kin of animal groups are in smaller sizes...so basically everything in africa are in herds an larger its just evolution at its best to form up to survive against these...

Migration’s and Herds

http://thewildsource.com/img/cape-buffalo-herd.jpg
http://www.eastafricashuttles.com/images/migration.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwyewsGNf0k
http://www.beaute-dafrique.com/images/elephant herd.jpg
http://wodumedia.com/wp-content/uploads/Elephant-Herds-Crossing-Lake-Bed-in-Sun.jpeg
http://img.ehowcdn.com/article-new/ehow/images/a08/84/gu/reproductive-system-hippo-800x800.jpg
http://africanphotoart.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/rhino-herd.jpg
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But you know, even though you have an entire herd to back you up, that wont always stop the lion from killing your kind...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9fzXmcUgGI

Prime amazing post thanks for putting this info up, yeah a coalition of male lions is a really powerful force, I know they also have more endurance then tigers with bigger lungs and heart, taking down this bigger prey even between a few of them takes hours sometimes even into the night. Great post really incredible these lions killing elephants 1 in every 3 days unbelievable and the size of some of the them too must of taken so long to bring those things down. I gut re read this post again when I get more time and re paste it on yuku amazing facts here.


Lions arms are longer then tigers, there lower arm especially so you don't often see them flexed as much walking, but check out these triceps muscles flexed taking down the hippo.

 

[Soundmanred]

 

[Silver Prime]

Awesome, we might have a person translating the portugese lion fighting tiger chart. Epic! We can now see what that person wrote word for word in get a better Idea of what they are explaining.

 

[Silver Prime]

Hey Battle cat,

I was wondering if you can ask Bold to get a hold of Clyde beattys other books, I think theres around 4 or 5 because I know he only read one right?

But I just wanted to see if Clyde mentioned any other tiger an lion fights, an the names of his tigers and lions...I do know some of his tigers like...

Saber=Male Tiger
Princess=Female Tiger
Bobby=Male Tiger
Sleika=Female Tiger
Puna=Male Tiger
Ganges=Male Tiger
Trudi=Female Tiger
Singapore=Male Tiger
Frisco=Male Tiger
Rajah=Male Tiger
Alice=Female Tiger
Sam=Male Tiger
Titan=Male Tiger
Nelly=Female Tiger
Toona=Female Tiger
Soudan=Male Tiger
Samson=Male Tiger

Seen them being mentioned on Circus history .com an there blogs along with some scans from the book Bold uploaded, no dought theres like 300+ names for all the lions and tigers he worked with for 40 years, I just wanted to see which ones are male and which ones were females, I know Princess, Toona, and slieka were the few females that got killed by his lions, but the articles dosent say that much of which males were killed other than Bobby and Puna, so I'm pretty sure Clyde doumented them in his other Books too, so just a gesture to Bold that he should get his hands on the rest of Clydes books for better credability and detail.

I also know that
The three most trouble maker lions of clyde beatty were

Prince- the lion who killed 5 tigers
Detroit- the lion who killed 6 tigers
Ceaser- the lion who killed 6 tigers
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And...Then you have Clydes most dominate male lions he ever worked with threw out 40 years of his carreer Pharoe, Duke and Sultan who whipped countless amounts of tigers "and" lions.

I just wanted to know if there were any pictures in Clydes books that show him naming and pointing out his lions and tigers so we can see which one exactly was who an what type of status they were in.

 

[Soundmanred]

 

[Silver Prime]

Lions predations on Crocidiles

“Ken spiro” mentioned lion’s also fought giant crocidile’s an the lion won, due to crocidile’s being cold blooded, if the croc dosent dispose the lion in the first 8 minute’s it would most likely surcumb to over heating, which then the lion toy’s with the croc with great agility dissasembling him piece by piece, which there are many statue’s of lion’s killing crocidile’s in the town of Baglug which is in italy, near the coliseum.

Crocidiles who use to be a common prey of lions on the Rufigs River were killed at the throat but were generally only eatin at the base of the tail...
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/lionskilllargepreyevencrocdiles.jpg
http://d3uwin5q170wpc.cloudfront.net/photo/10698_700b.jpg

Historical memorabila of Romes past Venatios...

http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00YMZajRTshgby/Bronze-Lion-Crocodile-AL156-.jpg
http://www.taxidermymuseum.com/assets/images/reno2011/lion-croc9.jpg
http://www.possumsprints.com/ekmps/...ion-antelope-1903-3584-p[ekm]150x124[ekm].jpg
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3401/3638255335_562ebcef91_z.jpg


The only other animals that are known to kill adidt crocodiles are the Lion,
Leopard and African Elephant.. also states that crocodile killing by lions "has been recorded as quite a normal occurrence on the western shore of Lake Rudolf
http://www.google.com/search?q=lion kills crocodile rudolph river&spell=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=bks&tbo=1
~Transactions of the Zoological Society of London, Volume 29
Zoological Society of London, 1957 - Zoology
http://books.google.com/books?id=zC...a=X&ei=dOsBUdSGKMjAiwK6jIHICA&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA

http://lh3.ggpht.com/Treepol/SLfWi5QUgFI/AAAAAAAABMk/MqOmwhDmaWE/P1000699.JPG
http://biggame.iza-yoi.net/combat/cb03/lion-croc.jpg
http://img.allvoices.com/thumbs/event/609/480/70748467-three-lionesses.jpg
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/girlionskillcrocs.jpg/
http://books.google.com/books?id=kg...a=X&ei=o21WUM7AHtDsigLuiIHABA&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA
http://books.google.com/books?id=dF...a=X&ei=o21WUM7AHtDsigLuiIHABA&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAQ

As of fear of the croc, lions arnt fooslih to take on more adaptable animal to water which they arnt fond of but …I doubt if lions were truly afraid of crocs… they would stay clear at all times but isint the case now is it? Lions brave the most biggest of crocs as they would any formidable foe…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hwkxJOl1PY
http://www.fredhoogervorst.com/oni.app/local/upload/01089ddb.jpg
http://farm1.staticflickr.com/25/52127777_5f92c8be9d_z.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc9jFmkjizQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrAS4vjOShA
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/as...an-cats-lion-crocodile-horizontal-gallery.jpg
http://www.safaridestinations.co.za...po hills 3-crocs-stealing-from-the-lions2.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cFdsNViZ3...AAPPw/oWUOuMQ5Yxo/s1600/20101102101435188.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au6eWDo1rAk

 

[Silver Prime]

I constantly hear bikkering an battering about the Gir forest fight,
(since the lions won all 3 fights) claims from people who havent an ounce of knowledge of Asiatic/Indian lions locations/habitats and ranges of there districts and reigons lions once lived in, constant boust out denial and fanatical claims of the lion doesnt even live in the Jungles so he shouldent be called King of the jungle.

Well, lets un-cover and shine a little light on what most are in so much denial of, which is the title of...

Lions King of the Jungle

Biologist: Dan Metcalfe

~Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

The word jungle comes from the Sanskrit 'jangala' which refers to a dense dry thicket, typically a seasonally dry monsoon forest, and one in which lion would certainly be one of the top predators.* Popular literature took the term and applied it in ignorance to many vegetation types which are more structurally complex than the relatively simple forests which North Americans and Europeans are used to, generating confusion along the way?* This has only been exacerbated by popular culture again promulgating the notion of the lion as the king of the jungle, which is patently ridiculous even in jangala, where lions would face competition from leopard and wild dogs, challenges from rhino and elephant, and at least young lion face a risk of predation from dogs, pythons and other predators.

Rainforest has been adopted as a term largely replacing the popular use of jungle, but again this is a term with a specific meaning to do with water relations (rainfall and evaporation rates) and is recognized in many differs forms, including tropical and temperate types.


The game animals of India, Burma, Malaya, and Tibet:
being a new and revised edition of 'The great and small game of India, Burma, and Tibet,*(Google eBook)
Richard Lydekker
R. Ward, limited, 1907 - 408 pages
The Indian Lion
Going back to earlier days, we find in the Oriental Sporting Magazine for 1832 over the signature of "Collector," whose address is given as Baroda, a full account of two sportsmen shooting a large lion off elephants; and in the Bengal Sporting Magazine of October 1838 a writer signing himself "Kattywar" states that he shot eleven lions between the 14th and 24th of May, to which three more were added between the 19th and 27th of July. Throughout the later volumes of the Bengal Sporting Magazine, the India Sporting Review and the revived Oriental Sporting Magazine, which followed it, there are occasional articles descriptive of lion-shooting; and in the Asian for June 30, 1885, Colonel Martin related how he and General Travers killed two lions on a hill to the west of Goona in Gwalior in 1860, and two years later he and Colonel Beadon at Patulghur, some seventy miles north-west of Goona, bagged no less than eight. One of the last lions killed in Central India was shot by Sir Montague Gerrard at Cheen Hill, nine miles from Goona, on Waterloo Day 1872; and in the Asian of April 7, 1893, mention is made of another shot by Colonel Hill in 1873. I° Guzerat—exclusive of Kathiawar— the last survivor is said to have been killed in 1888. Since that date there have been no lions elsewhere than in the Gir.
In the wild district between Saugor and Jhansi lions were by no means very uncommon about forty years ago. In 1866 two engineers engaged in the construction of the railway between Allahabad and Jabalpur shot one close to the line; and about thirty years before lions were comparatively common in the Ahmedabaddistrict, while in the first and second decades of the last century they were to be met with in Sind and as far to the east as Palamow and Rewa.
http://books.google.com/books?id=I7...a=X&ei=UxU9UJ6lEuH9ygH9wIHgBw&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA

A Book of Man Eaters
Mittal Publications
It is curious that, thirty years after the last lion was killed in hariana, notraditions of the animal remained in that part of the country. It was still found in guzerat in 1857, and it extended into the Saugor and Narbadaterritorries. In 1847 one was killed in the Damoh district by a native hunter; in 1850 two were seen near goona. In 1865 a party of officers stationed at Morar in gwalior, as described in the Oriental Magazinefor 1871, found three lions and killed two tweleve miles west of that place.No lions had been seen near gwalior for twenty years, although they were still pretty plentiful about seventy miles to the south. In 1866 a party of three, engaged in the construction of the Jubbulpore railway, killed a lion a short distanceto the west of the eightieth mile from Allahabad near the village of Punta in the Rajof Pattachar.
http://books.google.com/books?id=Bf...a=X&ei=6hk9UIzKDajaywH-xIDwAg&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAQ

Locations above^ graphed on a map of India showing there Ranges
Proof that lions districts and habitats ranged all across of India's Jungles...

Asiatic lion shot in Jungle

Palamau 1814:
From the Alamgirnama we learn that the Northern frontier of Palamau was only 50 miles from Patana the seat of the Chero Raja was something of a city. It was fairly well populated with many bazaars and protected by two strong Forts, one on the summit of neighbouring hill, the other on the plain. There are two extensive forts of bricks and stone which are worth a visit. The walls, which are in fair preservation, are about 5 feet in thickness, and that the old fort bears marks of canon balls and bullets in many places . The gate leading to the old fort, the court room, and temple and Zanana quarters of the Raja as also the two deep but silted up wells in the old fort are very interesting.

Most interesting of all is the massive and beautifully carved stone gate ‘The Nagpuri gate’in the new fort and a round room, in which a well had been sunk to provide a supply of drinking water incase of a siege. The Auranga river flows close by. There are high hills and dense jungles all around. On the frontier, there were three great Forts, viz, Kothi,Kunda and Devagan , and it was against these that Daud khan proceeded to march.
http://palamu.nic.in/palamufort.htm

Mount Abu 1872:
Nature Trails (Jungle Trails)
History of Mount Abu
The history of Mount Abu is as diverse as the city itself. It was once a part of the Chauhan kingdom of Rajasthan and served as a summer resort for the Rajput kings of the region. After that, it was leased by the British government from the then Maharaja of Sirohi for use as the headquarter of the resident to Rajputana (another name for Rajasthan).

Mount Abu was the home of many saints and sages in the old days. Legend has it that all the 330 million gods and goddesses of the Hindu pantheon used to visit this holy mountain. It is also the place where the great saint Vashishth lived and performed a yagna (sacrificial worship on a fire pit) to create four Agnikula (four clans of fire) to protect the earth from demons. The yagna was supposed to have been performed near a natural spring, which emerged from a rock shaped like a cow's head. According to another legend, once sage Vashishth's cow Nandini was trapped in a deep gorge and could not free herself. The sage appealed to Lord Shiva for assistance. The Lord sent Saraswati, the divine stream, to help flood the gorge so that the cow could float up. Vashishth then decided to ensure that such mishaps did not occur in future. He asked the youngest son of Himalaya, the king of mountains to fill the chasm permanently. This he did with the assistance of Arbud, the mighty snake. This spot came to be known as Mount Arbud and was later changed to its present form - Mount Abu. This place is held in reverence by Jains as well since Jain scriptures record that Lord Mahavira, the 24th Jain Tirthankar (spiritual leader), also visited Mount Abu and blessed the city.
http://www.mountabu.nic.in/naturetrail.htm

Rewah 1866:
The Rewah jungles are famous for their big game. Tigers are met Fauna. with in considerable numbers, while bears, panthers, tambar (Cervus unicolor), chinkdra (Gazella benetii) and other species usually found in Peninsular India abound. Wild fowl of all classes are common throughout its area.
The climate of Rewah is subject to considerable extremes of tem- Climate perature, especially in the hilly tract where the heat is often excessive, (Table I). while the cold season is of short duration.
~Speeches, Volume 2*(Google eBook)
Henry Charles Keith Petty-FitzMaurice Lansdowne (Marquess of)
Office of the Superintendent of Government Print., India, 1894 - 706 pages
http://books.google.com/books?id=u5...a=X&ei=4EICUa6aE-eujAK1xoGoDQ&ved=0CBgQ6AEwAA

Damoh 1847:
Tribal people comprise an important part of Damoh’s demographic set-up. They mainly live in jungles and remote areas of the city. They mostly depend on natural resources, while the rest of the population depends on agriculture for livelihood.
http://zeenews.india.com/blog/damoh-–-the-centre-of-india_394.html





A page from Kelileh o Demneh dated 1429, from Herat , a Persian translation of the ancient Indian Panchatantra (These tales depict characters based on local wild animals from the jungles of India, including the Asiatic / Indian-Persian lion) derived from the Arabic version — Kalila wa Dimna

India: From Indus Valley Civlization to Mauryas
By Gyan Swarup Gupta, Pramod Kumar
Lions and tigers in the indu valley
http://books.google.com/books?id=jb...a=X&ei=Y2WhUNWZMon2iwKd3oHICw&ved=0CD0Q6AEwBA

http://img3.etsystatic.com/000/0/6139677/il_fullxfull.242973691.jpg

Damoh's Jungle/Rainforest
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3126/2648846236_c8e6c218d0_z.jpg

Lion attacking tiger in Jungle by Delocroix
http://www.art-prints-on-demand.com/kunst/eugene_delacroix/lion_savaging_tiger_hi.jpg

Indian lion resting in Jungle...
http://ak0.picdn.net/shutterstock/v...-footage-long-shot-lion-resting-in-jungle.jpg

^Rewa, somaliland, Barsa swamps of bengal,
http://images.metmuseum.org/CRDImages/ph/web-highlight/DP147451.jpg

Lion defeating tiger in Jungle
http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/1342914/lion-images-02.jpg


The Wonders of the Jungle

Sarath Kumar Ghosh
pubOne info LLC, Sep 15, 2010
Many a man who has met a lion in the jungle by day has escaped in saftey by just standing still making no sound and no motion.
http://books.google.com/books?id=bF...a=X&ei=KkFQUJnCFcaGjALq5YDoBg&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAw
Punta raj of pattacachar, patalgraph, bakhtiari photograph of a Indian lion
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Panthera_leo_persica_male.jpg

The Jungle Survivor: A Thriller About the African Jungle
By Stephen L Takomana (Pe), Stephen L Takomana
http://books.google.com/books?id=OY...X&ei=W0NQUMO-FMi6iwLB6YHIDg&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAjgK

Jungle Crackers
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/614gW5WbgGL._SL500_AA300_.jpg


3 asiatic lions fighting 3 bengal tigers in gir forest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBdpiIxMnMM

Damoh

Lion in jungle of India killing an eating croc
http://www.trendwatching.com/newsletters/DEC05/rousseau.jpg

India's Art prints of lions in jungles
Lion hunting in jungles

Asiatic lion in jungle
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...can_lions.jpg/220px-Asiatic_african_lions.jpg
Asiatic lion feeding in jungle
http://www.theartstory.org/images20/works/rousseau_henri_4.jpg

Artfact of a lion killing a Guar in a dense Jungle
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/7128/7128-h/images/image_045.jpg

Indian lion with other big cats near Jungle
http://www.profimedia.si/photo/asia...iger-leopard-jaguar/profimedia-0000847275.jpg

The Jungle Lion
Jungle cruise
http://www.matterhorn1959.com/blog1/2011junglecruise3.jpg

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My Opinion:

Well as you can see from the Basic's it shows lions ranged all over India, its not all that much yet either, this is only a fraction of a fraction of lions distributional habitats in India thats recorded, which I'll probably add more to the list later, but as for there Co-exisiting areas more data will need to be sought out too, for there are only a few I have came across where lions have fought a tiger in the wild, where a few were quite evenly matched an both retired the fight by submitting like the ballou Magazine had recorded about 4 of those incidents, there also was an account near the Gangis river where a Velar lion fought a Bengal tiger in a gruesome fight just baiding the lion as the out-come winniner who just made the fight slightly yet was still killed in his weakened condition by a morading croc near by...with a few historical artifacts that originated out of India also portraying wild encounters of lions and tigers fighting having most show a lion defeating a tiger theres still a few others too, like the Ramayana and Mahabharata which had 2 siblings in India encounter a tiger an was witnessed a persuing lion kill the tiger in a long fight.

Still not enough for a solid conclusion of a defenite answer in terms abundentcy...but all together so far speaking of wild encounters that has been documented theres only are around 20 I came across... 2 could possibly be a tiger victory but not really because the lions were 4 years old an were born and raised in captivity before the project was on its way to relocate them and there was no direct evidence that the lions were killed by a tiger for a few sources stated that they couldent adapt to there new enviroment along with 1 pair of them was recorded shot by locals, so maybe that account has too many secoundary sources, 12 wins for the lion an the rest were stalemates having no winner. I like the fact that they happened in the wild on there own accord, which will provoke the highest credability in terms whos superior, again even though for now the information and data on hand shines more of a light on the lion was the superior fighter, its still not enough. So maybe a few more accounts from Indias archives would more shine a light in who won more in the past of Indias Titans of Tigers and Lions.

But as for the Title King of the Jungle...of course it should soley go to the Elephant still...though in terms as stated before as for predators the lion has earned that title threw thousands of years of trials and tribulations of difine-ing the word King, I'm sorry to say but, the tiger can and will never be able to achive such a title, sure you can call the tiger the lord of the jungle, emperor, the tsar, the chief, the head honcho, any other ruler title in terms one way ruling of there terrain, but not the King...for Kings Unique statuses are implimations of Unity somthing a tiger does not have in a consistantcy...the male tiger lives the life of a drifter an abandons the cubs to the female, something a Noble King would never do. A Noble King would never abondon his Kingdom in the same way a Lion will never abondon his Pride.

I hear people degrade faults of lions who kill rival cubs but in times of war, which is constantly be-knownst to the lions social patterns, no Human Kingdom would allow a rival Kingdom shelter of there rival Kings child either especialy in times of war.

The title King must come with the consistantcy of no fear, not to be mixed with startled/surprised by noise or the unbenkwownst, but a time of battle, a time of war, a time where the individual must rise to the occaision of facing multiple odds an win.

Kings have been known to do that for thouands of years, where a smaller Kingdom has fought a bigger Empire/Kingdom/Foe an won threw tactical propertys Via=King Leonidus 300 out battled an army of Persians to an extent, just like King Kamehameha took over majority of the Hawaiian islands, just like King Kahn did with the monguls, like Arther did with the Knights of the round...they have all faced greater odds an came off victorias. The same way lions go to war with clans of hyenas, to nomadic male lions and even rival prides an herds by the thousands of any and every class A destroyer/killer...it is the situtations lions has risen above for mellenias an still do till this day. From feats, to attributes, to look appeal of implimenting the word Majestic Via=His Mane.

The lion has earned his keep as the rightfully heir of wearing his replicated crown/mane, an who will probably be for all eternity known as the...

King of the Jungle

 

[Soundmanred]

http://video.nationalgeographic.com...igators-crocodiles/tiger_bengal_retakes_kill/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGe6GP4lALU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LudpRwFo6zs
http://www.ironammonite.com/2012/10/worlds-most-famous-tiger-croc-killer.html
http://www.maniacworld.com/Tiger-vs-Crocodile.htm

 

[Silver Prime]

http://video.nationalgeographic.com...igators-crocodiles/tiger_bengal_retakes_kill/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGe6GP4lALU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LudpRwFo6zs
http://www.ironammonite.com/2012/10/worlds-most-famous-tiger-croc-killer.html
http://www.maniacworld.com/Tiger-vs-Crocodile.htm

Cool!

 

[Silver Prime]

Besides I showed the fight where they graphed all three tigers in the gir forest fight showing it was 3 vs 3, why is it that most of the videos of Gir forest uploaded by P tigris 7 on youtube say...

This is the Full edition of the Gir fight "not edited" an it states that in the movie he deemed properganda, doesnt have the scenes where theres the People of India trecking on elephants baiding out all the tigers into a funnel?

Thats because he wanted people to belive his pathtetic lies that it actually took 6 male lions to kill 1 female tiger as he claimed 5 died trying to fight a staged account...XD XD XD, the original film was about the animals of India, a documentry that was spliced into movies, which dident start off as a stage fight, tigers and lions were coming in too close for comfort while they were getting filmed, the documentry was as long weeks filming a variety of animals, the locals set up pits in case tigers, lions and other carnivores came into there camps...which when they were in the vicinity were then droved into the pits which on different courses they accumilated 3 different fights.

Thats still pretty funny that all his videos say Full edition no editing an makes the dumbest claim that a single female tiger could kill 5 male lions, an try to hide the real story...1 tiger he says? Other than the stop animation showing all 3 tigers having different stripe patterns, an still having delusional fanatics saying nope thats one tiger...heres a peice looks like one of Bolds splices showing a scene before the fight with 2....Que? Yup, 2 tigers for the so call full editional B.S edited fanatical crap...

I count 2...Face palm

If you wanna see the whole movie it should be on hulu or Imbd, seen it once but cant link the entire video, theres alot on youtube, but all of them are spliced, none show the whole thing due to Bias....I guess.

 

[Silver Prime]

This looks intresting, its another account of a lion killing a tiger in India, I wonder how would it be possible to read whole quotas from books?

Maybe if I I can trace down its where-abouts like its location and maybe the reigon has other means of records of this or these ocaisions.


A Comprehensive History of India: The Mauryas & Satavahanas, 325 B.C.-300 A.D
Orient Longmans, 1957
references to the lion in the Padirruppattu, one to the dread of other animals in mountain slopes haunted by lions, and the other to the lion killing the tiger
http://www.google.com/search?q=Satavahana+lion+tiger+fights&tbm=bks&tbo=1&btnG=Search
http://books.google.com/books?id=E3...a=X&ei=D-ICUdWOHYXliAK94oGgDg&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA

 

[TurtleCrusher]

What the fuck did I just read?

 

[Silver Prime]

Ahh haa, found it… the famous book repeadtively brought up which tryed to disclaim people who seen lions defeat tigers numero uno on wikipedia, he bousts around and says that Poets don’t count because they are well…poets, that’s funny, immediately after he then mentions Martial peters passage an epgigram, who Martial is a…Poet, ha go figure, basically if the lion won over the tiger with in a femtosecond judgeing, (because theres more poets records of lions winning) they dub them all not true, yet remains to claim that theres are? XD XD XD

I like how wiki's denial is threw the roof, but anyways, heres his crybaby uploaders *cough cough* “Enthusiast’s” Book which I’ll define all the things wrong about their so call dis-prover proof…
The poets' beasts (Google eBook)
Chatto and Windus, 1885 -
http://books.google.com/books?id=PV...a=X&ei=32wDUbG9IsfNigLvu4G4BA&ved=0CDEQ6AEwBQ

Is the lion or the tiger the superior in courage and strength? There is little evidence on record to help us to a decision, but all that there is is completely in favour of the tiger.

False, as I provided…

130 lion wins on hand
40 tiger wins on hand

Either hes in denial or just dident bother to look for the incumbents side. Either way hes way off.

The two animals have often been put together to fight, but the lion has invariably declined the combat. They have accidentally got into each other's cages, and the tiger has killed the lion. Feats of strength are authenticated of the tiger to which the lion can, on evidence, lay no claim;

Yes the same story repeated in over 30 books of Birmingham london in Edmounds menagerie where a male tiger killed a female lion, repeating it 30 times dosent make it 30 accounts its still one. Some, not even getting the whole story straight which led to over exaggerating an pure lies which ended up switching gender and statuses threw out authors and alibies by pure he said she said hear say.

and as regards their comparative courage in the presence of man, the evidence goes to prove the superiority of the tiger. Says Livingstone, for instance, " Lions would seem to be inferior in power to the Indian tiger." For myself, then, I give the preference without hesitation to the tiger.

Exactly a bias person, no one who worked with both big cats an has hands on experince with Both from trainers, owners, experts to scientist had ever gave a one way win like a 10/10 for either… that just shows this person knows absolutely jack crap about either. Like his other alibie, who he claimed to be a scientist/trainer on the matter an gave a 100 out of 100 times a tiger would win, just because he was reviewing some photos of tigers and lions in circuses baiding the tiger which had a slightly better score card in only a minor scruffle. XD, yet for credability, this so call science wiz has no back history ever even seeing a lion or tiger up-close. Huh some experts.

Yet in the poets the tiger forms, of course, part of the courtier-retinue of the lion—" Gaunt wolves and sullen tigers in his train " (Collins)—for the lion, as Spenser, Allan Ramsay, and others state, defeated the tiger in single combat, when the prize was the sovereignty of the animal world. Cowley speaks of the lion as thirsting for tigers' blood, and again of the " dreadful" (that is, full of dread) tiger trembling at even the slumbering lion—

"When he lies down the woods a dreadful silence keep,
And dreadful tigers tremble at his sleep."

One of many..Maxine anabell a big cat owner/expert study tigers an lions almost all her life an stated in her book of a circus where multiple tigers were bouncing off the walls and scared stiff from a single lion, which she stated even the biggest of tigers were afraid of that lion…

~Even the biggest of tigers feared male lions
The Tribe of Tiger
http://books.google.com/books?id=3e...a=X&ei=zaKJUIfCAcWdiALksoGgDg&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBA

Southey, imitating this fancy, does the same, and speaks of tigers " trembling " while the lion sleeps; while several others describe the two as meeting, and the tiger giving way. Thus Wilson—

"The shaggy lion rushes to the place,
With roar tremendous seizes on his prey.
Exasp'rate see 1 the tiger springs away,

Stops short, and maddens at the monarch's growl;
And through his eyes darts all his furious soul.
Half willed, yet half afraid to dare a bound,
He eyes his loss, and roars, and tears the ground."

So whats he saying? That its impossible, heres a pimp-slap being send back in time to that joke who doesnt think that passage is anywhere near possible…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QNywR1OFSQ

Isint this^^ video exactly whats being explianed in passages by Poets like Ramsey? Yup. So that means that with the consistantcy of lions doing everything that the poets Ramsey allan, Edmound spenser, Cowlley, Collins and Wilson remain as factual information which each individual un-beknowst to the other had seen. Implimentions which leads to 5 times more the lion has beatin the tiger by historical records now being added to the archive.

Ahhh, the power of Time.