Liquid Cooling Help

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I am looking ot liquid cool my computer but I am completely lost when it comes to what to get. I don't even know where to start. I have read forums about how to liquid cool all over the net but I still am lacking that direction. Could someone please help me figure out a few things....

1. A good company that makes liquid cooling solutions
2. What I need to liquid cool a 8800 GTX Factory OC'ed and my Intel Core 2 Duo CPU.

My room gets so freaking hot at night so I am trying to find a solution cause the source definetly is my computer.
 

DoctorDeath

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Seeing as your new to liquid cooling,i would suggest CoolIt Systems new Freezone Elite.I tested and reviewed this cooler 3 months ago and it did one hell of a job cooling. I currently have it installed on a QX9650 @ 4GHz and underload temps are 32c-30c-30c-29c. If your interested in cooling your whole system, their 12TEC Boreas also does a great job.I also have Boreas on another QX9650 and also cooling two 8800Ultras. Its expensive,but you do get what you pay for. You should check out the Elite,its about half the cost of the Boreas and only take 18-25mins to install depending if you know what your doing. Both systems are sealed,so you do not have to keep checking coolent levels.
 

PCTC2

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What's your budget? That is a real important part. If you want to cool your CPU and GTX, then you're going to need semi-high end water cooling.

If money is no object, then this is your best choice:
Question 1 and 2):
Radiator: Thermochill PA 120.3 (or if your budget is lower, Swiftech MCR320) $140 (Thermochill) or $55 (Swiftech)
CPU Block: D-Tek FuZion w/ Nozzle Kit OR Swiftech Apogee GTX w/ Copper Top $75 (D-Tek) or $100 (Swiftech)
GPU Block: EK-FC8800GTX Full Cover block or Swiftech MCW60 w/ Copper Ramsinks $120 (EK) or $90 (Swiftech)
Pump: Swiftech MCP655 Vario / Laing D5 Vario $ 80
Reservoir: Swiftech Micro-Res $20
Tubing: Tygon 7/16" or Masterkleer 7/16" (15 Feet-20 Feet) $50 (Tygon) or $10 (Masterkleer)
Clamps: Worm-Gear Clamps (10) $18-25

But just to let you know, your room will stay hot at night b/c your computer will exhaust the same amount of heat into your room whether it be on air or water, but your parts will run a bit cooler on water.
 

DoctorDeath

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I still belive the Elite would be best for him if he's only planing on cooling his processor. Its easy to install and no maintence at all.
 

DerwenArtos12

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Originally posted by: DoctorDeath
I still belive the Elite would be best for him if he's only planing on cooling his processor. Its easy to install and no maintence at all.

He says pretty plainly in the first post he wants to cool his processor and his video card. Besides that entirely, CoolIt products are a joke amongst people who have taken the time to really learn about water cooling. Don't believe me, head over to xtremesystems.org/forums and ask them. A few of us are actually members over there as well.
 

DerwenArtos12

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Originally posted by: PCTC2
What's your budget? That is a real important part. If you want to cool your CPU and GTX, then you're going to need semi-high end water cooling.

If money is no object, then this is your best choice:
Question 1 and 2):
Radiator: Thermochill PA 120.3 (or if your budget is lower, Swiftech MCR320) $140 (Thermochill) or $55 (Swiftech)
CPU Block: D-Tek FuZion w/ Nozzle Kit OR Swiftech Apogee GTX w/ Copper Top $75 (D-Tek) or $100 (Swiftech)
GPU Block: EK-FC8800GTX Full Cover block or Swiftech MCW60 w/ Copper Ramsinks $120 (EK) or $90 (Swiftech)
Pump: Swiftech MCP655 Vario / Laing D5 Vario $ 80
Reservoir: Swiftech Micro-Res $20
Tubing: Tygon 7/16" or Masterkleer 7/16" (15 Feet-20 Feet) $50 (Tygon) or $10 (Masterkleer)
Clamps: Worm-Gear Clamps (10) $18-25

But just to let you know, your room will stay hot at night b/c your computer will exhaust the same amount of heat into your room whether it be on air or water, but your parts will run a bit cooler on water.

QFT!

Where are you buying worm-gear clamps at, a bag of 10 is $7 at home depot.
 

Quiksilver

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Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
Originally posted by: DoctorDeath
I still belive the Elite would be best for him if he's only planing on cooling his processor. Its easy to install and no maintence at all.

He says pretty plainly in the first post he wants to cool his processor and his video card. Besides that entirely, CoolIt products are a joke amongst people who have taken the time to really learn about water cooling. Don't believe me, head over to xtremesystems.org/forums and ask them. A few of us are actually members over there as well.

Not even their new coldplate for the 8800GTX?
http://www.coolitsystems.com/i...=view&id=93&Itemid=126
 

DerwenArtos12

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Originally posted by: Quiksilver
Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
Originally posted by: DoctorDeath
I still belive the Elite would be best for him if he's only planing on cooling his processor. Its easy to install and no maintence at all.

He says pretty plainly in the first post he wants to cool his processor and his video card. Besides that entirely, CoolIt products are a joke amongst people who have taken the time to really learn about water cooling. Don't believe me, head over to xtremesystems.org/forums and ask them. A few of us are actually members over there as well.

Not even their new coldplate for the 8800GTX?
http://www.coolitsystems.com/i...=view&id=93&Itemid=126

wow, that looks like something I could throw together in an afternoon. Plus the TDP for the 8800GT is about 100W, what do they think a 36W TEC is supposed to do here?
 

PCTC2

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Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
Originally posted by: DoctorDeath
I still belive the Elite would be best for him if he's only planing on cooling his processor. Its easy to install and no maintence at all.

He says pretty plainly in the first post he wants to cool his processor and his video card. Besides that entirely, CoolIt products are a joke amongst people who have taken the time to really learn about water cooling. Don't believe me, head over to xtremesystems.org/forums and ask them. A few of us are actually members over there as well.

QFT! I believe Aigo, Marci, you, I, and quite a few other of us are over at XS as well, if not primarily at XS. They are extremely knowledgable over there if you know what to ask.

Oh, and my worm-gear clamps? Online. PTS or Jab-Tech. I usually don't think to drive down to Home Depot. It's a good drive away for anything. I'm usually just lazy and like to get stuff shipped to my door.
 

DerwenArtos12

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Originally posted by: PCTC2
Oh, and my worm-gear clamps? Online. PTS or Jab-Tech. I usually don't think to drive down to Home Depot. It's a good drive away for anything. I'm usually just lazy and like to get stuff shipped to my door.

I like getting things shipped too, it's kinda like christmas every time I get a shipment but, I'm not really willing to pay 4-5 times retail just to get stuff shipped to my door, that just seem too similar to paying someone to take my money.
 

PCTC2

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Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
Originally posted by: Quiksilver
Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
Originally posted by: DoctorDeath
I still belive the Elite would be best for him if he's only planing on cooling his processor. Its easy to install and no maintence at all.

He says pretty plainly in the first post he wants to cool his processor and his video card. Besides that entirely, CoolIt products are a joke amongst people who have taken the time to really learn about water cooling. Don't believe me, head over to xtremesystems.org/forums and ask them. A few of us are actually members over there as well.

Not even their new coldplate for the 8800GTX?
http://www.coolitsystems.com/i...=view&id=93&Itemid=126

wow, that looks like something I could throw together in an afternoon. Plus the TDP for the 8800GT is about 100W, what do they think a 36W TEC is supposed to do here?

AND it's only 1/4" barbs. 3/8 and 1/2" barbs are more common for aftermarket parts (like the MCP655 is only 3/8 barbs i believe). The 36W TEC Bank is pathetic. It would only dump more heat into the system rather than take it out. I would rather get the TEC version of the MCW60 if I went TEC.

EDIT: Derwen, I'll let them take my money.
 

DerwenArtos12

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Originally posted by: PCTC2
Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
Originally posted by: Quiksilver
Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
Originally posted by: DoctorDeath
I still belive the Elite would be best for him if he's only planing on cooling his processor. Its easy to install and no maintence at all.

He says pretty plainly in the first post he wants to cool his processor and his video card. Besides that entirely, CoolIt products are a joke amongst people who have taken the time to really learn about water cooling. Don't believe me, head over to xtremesystems.org/forums and ask them. A few of us are actually members over there as well.

Not even their new coldplate for the 8800GTX?
http://www.coolitsystems.com/i...=view&id=93&Itemid=126

wow, that looks like something I could throw together in an afternoon. Plus the TDP for the 8800GT is about 100W, what do they think a 36W TEC is supposed to do here?

AND it's only 1/4" barbs. 3/8 and 1/2" barbs are more common for aftermarket parts (like the MCP655 is only 3/8 barbs i believe). The 36W TEC Bank is pathetic. It would only dump more heat into the system rather than take it out. I would rather get the TEC version of the MCW60 if I went TEC.

EDIT: Derwen, I'll let them take my money.

I'm going to bed, you guys are nucking futs. see you in 12 hours or so, lol.
 

Quiksilver

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Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
Originally posted by: Quiksilver
Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
Originally posted by: DoctorDeath
I still belive the Elite would be best for him if he's only planing on cooling his processor. Its easy to install and no maintence at all.

He says pretty plainly in the first post he wants to cool his processor and his video card. Besides that entirely, CoolIt products are a joke amongst people who have taken the time to really learn about water cooling. Don't believe me, head over to xtremesystems.org/forums and ask them. A few of us are actually members over there as well.

Not even their new coldplate for the 8800GTX?
http://www.coolitsystems.com/i...=view&id=93&Itemid=126

wow, that looks like something I could throw together in an afternoon. Plus the TDP for the 8800GT is about 100W, what do they think a 36W TEC is supposed to do here?

I really should of added /sarcasm to my post but yeah I do agree it looks like something one could slap together with $20 worth of spare parts.
 

aigomorla

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Originally posted by: SomethingNew71


My room gets so freaking hot at night so I am trying to find a solution cause the source definetly is my computer.

buy an AC.

Your watercooling for the complete wrong reasons.

If anything since water is more efficent at pulling heat, your room will get hotter, not colder.

You cant break the rules of thermodynamics. [Energy can not be created (minus nuclear fission) or destroyed] Energy = Heat in your case.


Im sorry if you thought that water would magically bring down your room temperature, cuz whoever told that didnt know what he was speaking.

My personal advice is just buy an AC. It will be cheaper and far better at your goal.
 
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Originally posted by: aigomorla
Originally posted by: SomethingNew71


My room gets so freaking hot at night so I am trying to find a solution cause the source definetly is my computer.

buy an AC.

Your watercooling for the complete wrong reasons.

If anything since water is more efficent at pulling heat, your room will get hotter, not colder.

You cant break the rules of thermodynamics. [Energy can not be created (minus nuclear fission) or destroyed] Energy = Heat in your case.


Im sorry if you thought that water would magically bring down your room temperature, cuz whoever told that didnt know what he was speaking.

My personal advice is just buy an AC. It will be cheaper and far better at your goal.

I wanna overclock my computer as well. Which is the main reason but I figured the hot room would be a plus cause there would be less hot exhaust coming out of my computer I'm aware of the laws of conservation of energy.
 
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Originally posted by: PCTC2
What's your budget? That is a real important part. If you want to cool your CPU and GTX, then you're going to need semi-high end water cooling.

If money is no object, then this is your best choice:
Question 1 and 2):
Radiator: Thermochill PA 120.3 (or if your budget is lower, Swiftech MCR320) $140 (Thermochill) or $55 (Swiftech)
CPU Block: D-Tek FuZion w/ Nozzle Kit OR Swiftech Apogee GTX w/ Copper Top $75 (D-Tek) or $100 (Swiftech)
GPU Block: EK-FC8800GTX Full Cover block or Swiftech MCW60 w/ Copper Ramsinks $120 (EK) or $90 (Swiftech)
Pump: Swiftech MCP655 Vario / Laing D5 Vario $ 80
Reservoir: Swiftech Micro-Res $20
Tubing: Tygon 7/16" or Masterkleer 7/16" (15 Feet-20 Feet) $50 (Tygon) or $10 (Masterkleer)
Clamps: Worm-Gear Clamps (10) $18-25

But just to let you know, your room will stay hot at night b/c your computer will exhaust the same amount of heat into your room whether it be on air or water, but your parts will run a bit cooler on water.

Thank you for being the most helpful so far out of everyone. Everyone else just seemed to bicker about it.
 

aigomorla

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Originally posted by: SomethingNew71


I wanna overclock my computer as well. Which is the main reason but I figured the hot room would be a plus cause there would be less hot exhaust coming out of my computer I'm aware of the laws of conservation of energy.

no i dont think you are aware of conservation of energy if your saying that statement.

Watercooling will not make your exhaust cooler. Not by a long shot, you cant calculate heat output like that.

Your system will pull around 250-300W of heat. That heat has to go somewhere. Air will probably trap around 15% of it in your case, and the other 85% will go out to you room.

In waters case you'll get probably more around 95% of the heat will be pulled out 5% in the case.


The second scenario doesnt lower room temp, it only increases it.

And i dont endorse anything from coolit. The company is a joke and i will say this, anyone asking me for recomendations on coolit water/tec products, be prepared for an earfull. The Company is a joke, please dont support them.


If you have a coolit product you feel is great, name it, and if it is good, then i'll stamp the ok seal, however, everything they make even there boras chiller, Absolute CRAP!.
 

DoctorDeath

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I go by what i get out of them after i mod them a little. At 4Ghz 30c underload is not bad at all. I had one of their older Freezones on a e6850 and had temps in the single digits. Even with a QX6850 at stock speed temps were only 14c-12c-12c-10c. Then i bumped it up to 4GHz and was only at 30c. Belive me i have ghad my share of problems with the older versions, but the new design really did work as far as the Elite goes. Now with the Boreas,if they had only gone with 12 / 29w TECs it would have made a really big diff. Why they went with 12 / 16w is beyond me. If i have the time next month i might try the 29w waffers. What i do not care for is the wayv they cool the cards with the Boreas. They could have done a better job. Its not a point of supporting them, i just go with what gets the job done. And your wrong about the Boreas being crap.It works and everyone i know that has one is happy with the cooling performance. Do you even own one?I do not know how this went from a suggestion, to a pissing contest lol I got them both for free, and they both work great.
 

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Water generally involves case modification, what case do you have? Someone mentioned an air conditioner, this would be a good first step to OC, lower your ambients, get your case fans setup for good airflow and then decide air or water. Either way will benefit w/ cooler ambient temps. Water ain't cheap, kits don't fly, most are expensive and you'll get better performance for the same or less money if you do it yourself.
 

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Like everyone is saying, don't confuse TEMPERATURE with HEAT.

You will be able to get a higher / more stable overclock because of lower TEMPERATURES. However the purpose of the watercooling system is to use a radiator to release the heat it picks up from your parts. The heat that is released on watercooling will be slightly greater than the heat released on aircooling, because the pump takes energy which is also converted to heat. The only difference is the heat is moved to the radiator instead of being produced inside your case. So even if your case temperatures are lower, your room temperature will be about the same as before.

Your room will get slightly warmer on watercooling, because heat will be about the same, except a little extra from the pump. That's a fact, not up for debate. But you will be able to overclock higher if that's your goal, because temperature will be lower.
 

PCTC2

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Originally posted by: wired247
Like everyone is saying, don't confuse TEMPERATURE with HEAT.

You will be able to get a higher / more stable overclock because of lower TEMPERATURES. However the purpose of the watercooling system is to use a radiator to release the heat it picks up from your parts. The heat that is released on watercooling will be slightly greater than the heat released on aircooling, because the pump takes energy which is also converted to heat. The only difference is the heat is moved to the radiator instead of being produced inside your case. So even if your case temperatures are lower, your room temperature will be about the same as before.

Your room will get slightly warmer on watercooling, because heat will be about the same, except a little extra from the pump. That's a fact, not up for debate. But you will be able to overclock higher if that's your goal, because temperature will be lower.

QFT!
Originally posted by: PCTC2

But just to let you know, your room will stay hot at night b/c your computer will exhaust the same amount of heat into your room whether it be on air or water, but your parts will run a bit cooler on water.

As I said, your room will be just as hot. I'm currently on two high-end water systems and my room is HOT. The hallway outside the room is a good 10F cooler than the room at night due to the heat output of the computers. And it is a lot hotter since I switched from air to water.

Good luck though with your system, with whatever you may decide.
 

aigomorla

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Originally posted by: DoctorDeath
I go by what i get out of them after i mod them a little. At 4Ghz 30c underload is not bad at all. I had one of their older Freezones on a e6850 and had temps in the single digits. Even with a QX6850 at stock speed temps were only 14c-12c-12c-10c. Then i bumped it up to 4GHz and was only at 30c. Belive me i have ghad my share of problems with the older versions, but the new design really did work as far as the Elite goes. Now with the Boreas,if they had only gone with 12 / 29w TECs it would have made a really big diff. Why they went with 12 / 16w is beyond me. If i have the time next month i might try the 29w waffers. What i do not care for is the wayv they cool the cards with the Boreas. They could have done a better job. Its not a point of supporting them, i just go with what gets the job done. And your wrong about the Boreas being crap.It works and everyone i know that has one is happy with the cooling performance. Do you even own one?I do not know how this went from a suggestion, to a pissing contest lol I got them both for free, and they both work great.

Post screen shots please. The part i bolded im having a hard time believing. What temp program? What was your vcore? There is no way the freezone could hold that vcore.

You've just jumped into quadcore territory, which i am very familar with, and very well knowledged in how they behave.

CoolIT doesnt have the capacity for 4ghz on any quad on any coolit product:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...hlight=coolit+freezone

http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...hlight=coolit+freezone

The capacity on that is not anywhere tuned for over 200W of heat. @ 4.0ghz on a G0 that takes around 1.47-1.6Vcore to hold at load. Unless you have a super cherry picked intel CEO only QX6850 that can pop that ghz @ a much lower Vcore, the CoolIT products DONT work. :\

what your saying also im finding very hard to believe. Expecially when i got to play with this unit:

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/3869/ntc6bl8.jpg

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7659/ntc17yh0.jpg

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3408/ntc22ss7.jpg

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1885/ntc24kp3.jpg


Thats 5 x 91W Tec's i have on that unit. Enough to blow the BORAS unit away.

Your boras:
TECs (12) - Power usage : Max total 130 Watts

My Chiller:
5 x 91W Max total = 455W :X

3 times stronger, you want to continue this debate with me? Im more then willing to spit numbers out with you.

BTW, welcome to anandtech. Sorry if i sound a bit rude, theres no emotion of that kind being expressed. If you have a difference in opinion i would love to hear it.

Just stay away from TEC's. Thats my personal recomendation. Theres too many things that can go wrong in a TEC setup. And its honestly not worth it.

After this tec experiement i had, i dont know if i'll ever touch TEC's again. There just not worth it until we get better more energy efficent TEC's.


Coolit, So far there all expensive and limited in performance easily matched by air, and destroyed by a high class water setup, and no contest against phase.

This is my personal opinion, but i will not recomend them.

I dont recomend anyone reading this a boras unit. As i said ive played with TEC's of much more powerful calibur then your boras, and they just DONT WORK. It costs too much electricity to keep things in check.

Originally posted by: wired247
You will be able to get a higher / more stable overclock because of lower TEMPERATURES. However the purpose of the watercooling system is to use a radiator to release the heat it picks up from your parts. The heat that is released on watercooling will be slightly greater than the heat released on aircooling, because the pump takes energy which is also converted to heat. The only difference is the heat is moved to the radiator instead of being produced inside your case. So even if your case temperatures are lower, your room temperature will be about the same as before.

Your room will get slightly warmer on watercooling, because heat will be about the same, except a little extra from the pump. That's a fact, not up for debate. But you will be able to overclock higher if that's your goal, because temperature will be lower.

ahhh your explaination sounds better.

Yes, your room will heat up faster, because you have the heat from that pump to add to the eq. Also your case wont be holding a lot of heat internally anymore because your hotspots will all be picked up by water.

Which was where i was going at.
 
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