Little Leage OWNAGE!

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: moshquerade

By the way, the next morning, Romney woke up and decided to do something about what happened to him.

"I'm going to work on my batting," he told his dad. "Then maybe someday I'll be the one they walk."

the kid will be over this long before his parents and the community are.
sometimes adults should learn from kids and just let things go.

Actually his parents are as cool with the whole thing as he is. It's the OTHER parents who are having a hissy right now.

ok, so we'll change that to just the community then. usually the parents spearhead this kind of disgruntlement.

 

[PinmasterJay]

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: PinmasterJay

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: PinmasterJay
No it isn't, the reason they don't allow stealing is because at that age people can run faster (and its easier) than to have not only the pitcher throw a perfect pitch to home, but the catcher has to make the catch, throw, and an infielder has to make the play as well.

At that age kids could just steal all the way around the bases if that was allowed and thats not even baseball anymore

So what? That's what the major leaguers do, shouldn't we emulate them at all costs according to the "athletes" in this thread? I bet there are some kids at that age that have great arms that could throw the runners out. Why are you not picking on the kids with weaker arms?

You didn't get what I posted. At the major league level, base stealing and the ability to throw one out while attempting to steal is a balanced play, both sides have an equal opportunity at success. Have you ever watched 9-10 year olds throw the baseball around the field? The 4 run rule would happen every inning from base stealing alone

No I get it, but why are you changing the rules and strategy of the game just because some kids aren't capable of throwing them out, while some are? (I truly hope you are getting it)

It takes three kids to make this play, I guarantee its a rare occurance someone gets called out

Even at the level of 11-12 when I played we were allowed only to leave when the pitch crossed the plate, and if the catcher dropped the ball it was usually enough to get a steal.

While their might be a couple on the team that can pull off this play, the strategy would become "steal every pitch" because the success rate would allow this. That is not how its played in other levels where stealing is allowed.

I guess we can just agree to disagree

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: getbush
OK, I didn't read the whole thread, but - that is why you protect your best batter by putting someone decent behind him in the lineup. don't_put_your_worst_behind_your_best. That makes no sense to do and it was an error on the part of the manager.

As you and many others have pointed out, this is the real issue. As a coach in a championship game, WHY do you bat your worst hitter behind your best? If anyone deserves the blame, it's Romney coach. He set him up for this particular situation by making it MUCH more likely to happen.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Oh Puh-LEASE! I'm a Red Sox fan by nature but in this case there's NO WAY I can say what the Yankees coach did was wrong. Let me get this straight.. because the kid on deck is a cancer survivor who is also the worst hitter on their team (talent and illness can be mutually exclusive) that you should throw logic and reason along with basic Baseball strategy out the window because it's the "right thing to do"? I'm sorry but I don't buy that for a minute.

For a coach to that it would be the greatest injustice on the players who are trying to win a big game for him, how is it fair for the coach to jepordize that by NOT going after the worst hitter on the other team? Sports are a good part of my life, I love competition and understand that I'm going to lose more then I win, but if my coach didn't give the signal to walk THE BEST hitter on their team so that the pitcher could battle THE WORSE hitter, I could never look up to him again.

In a friendly game with no league ramafacations if you lost that would be a different story, but you take no prisoners if it's the real deal, ESPECIALLY in the Championship game, are you kidding me this shouldn't even be debated! Sure it's sad and I feel for the kid since he ended up striking out, but why does he get special dispensation? Because he met Bush and already won his most important game, beating cancer?

 

[rsd]

Originally posted by: PinmasterJay

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: PinmasterJay

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: PinmasterJay
No it isn't, the reason they don't allow stealing is because at that age people can run faster (and its easier) than to have not only the pitcher throw a perfect pitch to home, but the catcher has to make the catch, throw, and an infielder has to make the play as well.

At that age kids could just steal all the way around the bases if that was allowed and thats not even baseball anymore

So what? That's what the major leaguers do, shouldn't we emulate them at all costs according to the "athletes" in this thread? I bet there are some kids at that age that have great arms that could throw the runners out. Why are you not picking on the kids with weaker arms?

You didn't get what I posted. At the major league level, base stealing and the ability to throw one out while attempting to steal is a balanced play, both sides have an equal opportunity at success. Have you ever watched 9-10 year olds throw the baseball around the field? The 4 run rule would happen every inning from base stealing alone

No I get it, but why are you changing the rules and strategy of the game just because some kids aren't capable of throwing them out, while some are? (I truly hope you are getting it)

It takes three kids to make this play, I guarantee its a rare occurance someone gets called out

Even at the level of 11-12 when I played we were allowed only to leave when the pitch crossed the plate, and if the catcher dropped the ball it was usually enough to get a steal.

While their might be a couple on the team that can pull off this play, the strategy would become "steal every pitch" because the success rate would allow this. That is not how its played in other levels where stealing is allowed.

I guess we can just agree to disagree

I agree with the rule frankly, I am just pointing out how at the lower skill levels, the game is played differently due to the lower skill levels of the kids.

Just because a big league manager walks Ortiz (though it sounds like Manny is slightly better than Romney), doesn't mean it is applicable in this case.

Anyway, I'm done with this thread, but I truly laugh at the people who are "win at all costs" especially when dealing with kids at a young age.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: rsd
I agree with the rule frankly, I am just pointing out how at the lower skill levels, the game is played differently due to the lower skill levels of the kids.

Just because a big league manager walks Ortiz (though it sounds like Manny is slightly better than Romney), doesn't mean it is applicable in this case.

Anyway, I'm done with this thread, but I truly laugh at the people who are "win at all costs" especially when dealing with kids at a young age.

Since when is "win at all costs" = walking a better batter to face a weaker batter? Most people call that strategy and it's an integral part of baseball.

 

[Ramma2]

No special treatment, for anyone. If they're good enough to play on the team then they play like any other player, and get treated like any other player.

 

[Miramonti]

No special treatment when the game is on the line.

 

[Pikachu]

This is a league where everybody gets to bat, there's a four-runs-per-inning max, and no stealing until the ball crosses the plate.

...an integral part of baseball.

As far as I know, in these leagues nobody can be turned away.

Like I said, I hope they're proud. :thumbsup:

 

[ArchCenturion]

Hmm havent finished reading all the responses to this, but my first impulse is to say screw cancer boy, he shouldn't be out there if hes that much worse than everyone else.

I realize this kid has feelings too, and I do feel for him that he has to deal with this cr@p. Personally I feel HIS PARENTS should be where we cast our blame, they are the ones that put him through this thinking how great it will be that their little retarded kid is playing with the normal kids.

If its all about fun, I do not believe that the game is fun, if you have some sh1ty kid on your team that can't hit the ball. Think of how his team probably treat him. They probably put him down and call him cancer boy and retard and stuff. They tell him how much he sucks, and ask why he even plays.
WINNING is fun, losing sucks. Screw this guys parents for letting him play with other kids that will slaughter him. The coaches did what anyone would do they didn't want to lose the game just because their was some weak kid. If this kid IS going to play in this league, he should be expected to play at the same level of intensity not be babied like little biatch.
There are probably other leagues that this kid could join, maybe he could play with the other cancer kids, and lose games for them too.

 

[MotionMan]

Why do they keep score, keep standings or have a championship game if it is not, at least in part, about winning?

The kid learned the right lesson: Just because you have had a tough life does not mean that life should cater to you. You are entitled to nothing but to be treated like everyone else.

Why should the Yankee players have to sacrifice their winning the championship (which, for some of these kids, may be their only chance for a championship) for the sick kid?

If they pitch to the good hitter and he hits a home run, the sick kid never gets up and misses out on the chance to be the hero. Some kids like to be challenged (based on his responses, this kid is one of those).

Why is the worst player on the team playing centerfield and batting behind the best hitter? Seems like the coach has a soft spot for this kid to the expense of the rest of the team.

MotionMan

 

[AustinMatherne]

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Why do they keep score, keep standings or have a championship game if it is not, at least in part, about winning?

The kid learned the right lesson: Just because you have had a tough life does not mean that life should cater to you. You are entitled to nothing but to be treated like everyone else.

Why should the Yankee players have to sacrifice their winning the championship (which, for some of these kids, may be their only chance for a championship) for the sick kid?

If they pitch to the good hitter and he hits a home run, the sick kid never gets up and misses out on the chance to be the hero. Some kids like to be challenged (based on his responses, this kid is one of those).

Why is the worst player on the team playing centerfield and batting behind the best hitter? Seems like the coach has a soft spot for this kid to the expense of the rest of the team.

MotionMan

 

[SociallyChallenged]

It's a sport. Everyone plays by the same rules. I may feel bad for the kids, but the whole league doesn't change strategy just for him. A game's a game, play it the way it's meant to be played.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: speg
Why was the weakest hitter batting after their best hitter? That's not a very good strategy.

That was my first thought also. If the coach knew how to make a decent lineup this wouldn't have happened in the first place. I'd probably walk the best hitter every time if I knew the weakest hitter was up next.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: PinmasterJay
No it isn't, the reason they don't allow stealing is because at that age people can run faster (and its easier) than to have not only the pitcher throw a perfect pitch to home, but the catcher has to make the catch, throw, and an infielder has to make the play as well.

At that age kids could just steal all the way around the bases if that was allowed and thats not even baseball anymore

So what? That's what the major leaguers do, shouldn't we emulate them at all costs according to the "athletes" in this thread? I bet there are some kids at that age that have great arms that could throw the runners out. Why are you not picking on the kids with weaker arms?

Please stop making a fool of yourself.

I don't see how pointing out how the rules are different because of players who may not be as capable as others (at that age) is "making a fool" out of myself. It clearly points a hole in the argument for those here who are saying that it is part of the game and "strategy".

The only thing I do agree on is that the story is way overblown if it made SI. Anyway, don't worry next time I coach I'll tell my kid to give yours some chin music

There is a big difference between having different rules for different levels of play and expecting a coach to not do something that is within the rules because it might hurt a kid's feelings.