Llano Demo

[Nemesis 1]

I will wager whatever you like the 2 core mobile running at 3ghz would destroy the intel setup used in the demo.

 

[SickBeast]

The chip used in the initial video has a 45W TDP, but the system was drawing upwards of 65W when it was really getting maxed out. If you throw enough at it, the CPU is going to eat up power. There's no indication of how much of that was translated into waste heat, but the AMD chip was drawing less power.

If the GPU and CPU are both being heavily stressed it'll probably get close to its TDP.

The display, hard drive, and other components are going to eat up 20 watts easily, which is probably why it's drawing 65 watts, not 45.

 

[SickBeast]

I think Llano is promising, but the thing is, it would be nice if it had the best CPU and GPU performance.

If Bulldozer is as powerful as Sandy Bridge, Intel has reason to be worried. Once they integrate a 400+ core GPU into the thing, AMD will completely own the mobile segment, along with a sizeable portion of the desktop market.

 

[piesquared]

That my point its a marketing ploy and AMD is exploiting a weakness in intel drivers . This won't be the only game this happens with . Intel simply needs time . Sad part is Intel can't go pick up a llano systen to do the same . My wife and daighter been working hard the last 2 days comparing Graphics quality between NV and AMD and I not real happy with AMDs driver team at all .

Oh big deal. Poor little intel. There graphics are awesome it's everyone elses problem that they expect the leading graphics maker by marketshare, to have hardware that has up to date standards, and has at least close to comparable results with the competition. AMD's graphics blows intel's attempt out of the water, and you're trying to concoct an excuse that's it's just a temporary graphics glitch that AMD is exploiting? LOL give me a break. Intel isn't even in the same ball park for graphics capability no matter how hard you click your heels together.

BTW, why does intel never get any flack for being so far behind on standards, image quality, and performance while NV and AMD have to push the boundries to be considered successful?? How come intel doesn't get any flack for not supporting dx11 or OpenCL on GPU, and reviewers turn a blind eye? IOW, why doesn't intel have to strive for the same standards as everyone else to be successful?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Wheres the proof of that ? Amd selected a crippled embedded system using ECC memory . To compare with. Intel does support CL you have problems reading? and its graphics on 2D are just as good as AMds

 

[Mopetar]

The display, hard drive, and other components are going to eat up 20 watts easily, which is probably why it's drawing 65 watts, not 45.

It's very likely that the quoted number was for the entire system. A chip can draw more power than it's rated TDP and in fact Intel has been working on a new turbo boost that let's them temporarily overclock to speeds that would normally cause the chip to exceed its TDP. If the chip is sitting idle, it's likely quite cool so it'll take a while before it's putting off more heat than the cooling system can handle. It probably won't be useful for gaming or extended workloads, but if you're just browsing the web, the CPU is probably hovering around idle as long as it doesn't have to deal with Flash or javascript running.

 

[Nemesis 1]

This is about the fairest I can be on the CL question .

For instance, OpenCL can be used in Apple' iLife titles, such as iPhoto for scene parsing and face recognition. OpenCL has been somewhat of a trump card for graphics chip supplier Nvidia, which already has support for the technology in most of its chips. Although Intel plans to support Open CL natively in its processors and has released Alpha drivers and a software development kit for Open CL, that support, as stated publicly, is CPU-centric and still at a nascent stage of development.

But Intel is also working on OpenCL for the graphics part of Sandy Bridge, according to sources.

Intel declined to comment directly on Apple's plans, but regarding OpenCL it would only say "In terms of full product support, we continue to evaluate when and where OpenCL will intercept our various products."

 

[Mopetar]

Now I don't know what Memory was used but the Core i7-2630QM does allow ECC memory. and the cost of these laptops is sky high so I suspect it was in fact ECC memory . So this notebook isn't intended for the masses at all.

Where does it say it's using ECC memory? I don't know specifically which notebook they used, but assuming it's the same as the one used in the original test, it has 2630QM which doesn't have support for ECC according to Intel's site.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Well it infact does support ECC memory

 

[Nemesis 1]

Put this into google its takes ya to same page you had . Read what its says befor ya link .

i7-2630QM ECC support

I actually got the info elsewere . I looking for that link .

 

[Nemesis 1]

Jan 8, 2011 ... ECC, Fully Buffered ... ASUS G73SW-FHD-TZ016V - 17.3" FHD LED/i7-2630QM/8GB DDR3/1 [G73SW-FHD-TZ016V] ... Cairns Tech Support.

This one is only $2550

 

[Nemesis 1]

Intel doesn't officially support 1600 on any of their lower end mobile chips...

http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=53463&processor=i7-2635QM&spec-codes=SR030

(as opposed to - http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=52227&processor=i7-2820QM&spec-codes=SR00U,SR012)

Thats really not a lowend chip . As that laptop is $2000+

 

[Nemesis 1]

I'm somewhat disappointed in myself for not making the connection on another amusing point of this demonstration earlier.

How exactly did AMD put a FCPGA998 i7-2630QM chip into the LGA1155 socket of the Asus P8H67-M that they claim to have used?

It uses ECC memory just like this one



Jan 8, 2011 ... ECC, Fully Buffered ... ASUS G73SW-FHD-TZ016V - 17.3" FHD LED/i7-2630QM/8GB DDR3/1 [G73SW-FHD-TZ016V] ... Cairns Tech Support.

This one is only $2550

 

[Mopetar]

Put this into google its takes ya to same page you had . Read what its says befor ya link .

i7-2630QM ECC support

I actually got the info elsewere . I looking for that link .

It says that the 2630QM doesn't support ECC memory. I'd trust that Intel provides the correct information about their products unless you have some other reason to believe that Intel's website is wrong.

 

[Mopetar]

Jan 8, 2011 ... ECC, Fully Buffered ... ASUS G73SW-FHD-TZ016V - 17.3" FHD LED/i7-2630QM/8GB DDR3/1 [G73SW-FHD-TZ016V] ... Cairns Tech Support.

This one is only $2550

What does that have to do with anything. The notebook with the Intel chip looks nothing like the one you're talking about.

 

[Nemesis 1]

It says that the 2630QM doesn't support ECC memory. I'd trust that Intel provides the correct information about their products unless you have some other reason to believe that Intel's website is wrong.

OK . I may have missed it were does it say it doesn't support Ecc memory.

 

[drizek]

Also, you can't notice sandy bridge stuttering in starcraft since it is just tiny little things moving around. I think FF makes sense.

Not sure what to make of the 1.8Ghz number. On the one hand, the performance is impressive, on the other hand, I expected more. Also, do we know whether or not Llano has Turbo?

 

[drizek]

To play devil's advocate, I wonder what a dual-core mobile i5 v. i7 test would look like? IoW, what are the chances that the visual results would be nearly identical, while consuming less power than Llano? It would still be an AMD win, in that case, but if using significantly less power, it wouldn't look quite so bad for Intel. Creating tests like this demo, but with more varied hardware, would be a good thing to try with a first review of Llano, as a nice reality check.

It would only make a difference of about 10 or 15W. So maybe Intel will use 50W while AMD uses 55. On the other hand, Llano would run circles around a dual core SB(although the high-clocked, aggressively turbod i7 duallies can beat out Intels i7 720qm).

 

[IntelUser2000]

Interesting. Based on the Furmark results, the Llano's GPU performs similar to Geforce GT 220.

The Sandy Bridge system was fluctuating immensely, so we can't really judge power usage based on those results. Battery life is another matter.

 

[Nemesis 1]

What does that have to do with anything. The notebook with the Intel chip looks nothing like the one you're talking about.

Did ya miss the fully buffered ECC memory . DO a price check on systems using the CPU Its insane for a bottom end system . This chip is intended for laptops that use ECC.

Its the only reason to price that high. If the OEMS are going to charge that kind of money AMD owns that market with llano . Doesn't matter about performance. But I bet llano does not support ECC.

Its the same cpu so it does support Ecc . I know its not the same laptop check monitor size one 17 the other 13 the video was 13 for both . It wasn't hard to find the laptop being used when the second video clearly showe the intel lap top . Just go to Asus and check out the 13" monitors with the cpu were discussing

 

[Mopetar]

OK . I may have missed it were does it say it doesn't support Ecc memory.

Under the 'Memory Specifications' section. The very last entry, 'ECC Memory Supported'. It says 'No'.

 

[piesquared]

Dude are you just playing a game and having a laugh or what. What are you so afraid of, and why so worried that AMD will have the better architecture?

 

[Mopetar]

Did ya miss the fully buffered ECC memory . DO a price check on systems using the CPU Its insane for a bottom end system . This chip is intended for laptops that use ECC.

Its the only reason to price that high. If the OEMS are going to charge that kind of money AMD owns that market with llano . Doesn't matter about performance. But I bet llano does not support ECC.

That chip does not support ECC memory. I really don't understand why you keep going on about ECC memory as that processor being tested does not support it.

I don't know what made you think they were using some $2500 notebook as the one you were talking about looks nothing like the one used in the demonstration. In fact the notebook that they're using looks like an HP Pavilion dv6t quad edition which is listed for $999 on HP's website.

 

[IntelUser2000]

It would only make a difference of about 10 or 15W. So maybe Intel will use 50W while AMD uses 55. On the other hand, Llano would run circles around a dual core SB(although the high-clocked, aggressively turbod i7 duallies can beat out Intels i7 720qm).

Dual core SNB would be really close with quad core Llano at the same clock(http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/80?vs=289). On the other hand, the GPU differences would look bigger because the CPU is on par.

AMD found a rare benchmark that stutters. Every generation, Intel fixes problems that are in previous generations, but never cover all the bases.

 

[wahdangun]

Wheres the proof of that ? Amd selected a crippled embedded system using ECC memory . To compare with. Intel does support CL you have problems reading? and its graphics on 2D are just as good as AMds

so where is the prove that AMD use "crippled embedded system using ECC memory" PROVE IT????????????

and please use multi quote button, its there for a reason you know