Rant MAGA is un-American

UNCjigga

Lifer
Dec 12, 2000
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Trump’s policies are un-American.

His Administration is filled with people who are set on destroying the post-WWII legacy of American hegemony promoting liberal democracies that, while not perfect, has largely maintained the peace in the Western Hemisphere and Europe.

So why can’t his critics just call them out as being un-American? Why is that so hard to point to so many examples in our history—lessons learned from Dredd Scott, the Civil War, Ellis Island, Japanese internment camps, McCarthyism just to name a few—to show what America is SUPPOSED to be??

It shouldn’t be this hard to call them out and then send them packing. We shouldn’t have to wait for examples like this before we find the courage to call a spade a spade and say nothing about MAGA is “American” or “great”.

Purple Heart veteran forced to self-deport.

ICE detains Marine Corps Vet’s wife still breastfeeding 9 week-old baby.

Soldier’s wife deported to Australia after detainment in Hawaii.

Texas Army Sergeant’s wife deported to Honduras.

Iraq War veteran’s wife deported to Mexico.

He's a decorated war vet but a convicted criminal. ICE wants to deport him

It’s easy to be cynical and say this is nothing new—in fact we’ve deported 95,000 veterans since Clinton signed the crime bill and the last major immigration reform act in 1996. But it shouldn’t take this long for the lesson to seep in. This isn’t making America stronger. It makes us look pathetic. And now we’ve added cruelty to the mix as well.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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If that second story doesn't make you incredibly sad and angry, nothing will.
That's a direct result of Miller's demand to ramp up deportations so they started grabbing people who show up for appointments and hearings as they are supposed to (You know following the rules MAGAs claim to want immigrants to do) and rapidly getting them out of the country so they can't be stopped.

Just a reminder when the Trump administration refers to "criminal illegal aliens" they are not referring to people who have committed the crimes we typically think of as being crimes like murder, drug dealing, theft etc.

In Trump land EVERY SINGLE UNDOCUMENTED PERSON AND MOST ASYLUM SEEKERS ARE "CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIENS".
 
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SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
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The majority of Americans are not very smart and have the critical thinking skills of a lapdog.

Trump looks like what they think a patriotic American should look like. He is overweight, badly dressed, goes around yelling Merica, and has a perchance for making out with the US flag. For about 70% of Americans that is all they need to know. They don't know or care about most of the rest of the stuff, that is all politics and that is something they would rather not think about. Just every now and then they go to their local Church and pull the R or D lever.
 

MtnMan

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If that second story doesn't make you incredibly sad and angry, nothing will.
It also bans her from ever entering the US for life. Or make it extremely difficult to ever be allowed to get a visa or green card.
 

Moonbeam

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The majority of Americans are not very smart and have the critical thinking skills of a lapdog.

Trump looks like what they think a patriotic American should look like. He is overweight, badly dressed, goes around yelling Merica, and has a perchance for making out with the US flag. For about 70% of Americans that is all they need to know. They don't know or care about most of the rest of the stuff, that is all politics and that is something they would rather not think about. Just every now and then they go to their local Church and pull the R or D lever.
So 70% of Americans have the critical skills of a lapdog which tells me that 70% of Americans fit into the bottom half of the average IQ. That’s an interesting example of critical thinking. If I were presented with a country in which 70% of the population fit into that category, I would wonder why? How did the population arrive in such a degenerate condition? Do you not believe in cause and effect. Did it ever cross your mind hat they are how they are because you and 30% of critical people made them that way.

There is little doubt I am right. I’ve carefully counted the numbers and 99% of the population think less critically than me. You and people like you caused all this mess.

You have been forgiven.
 

nOOky

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Aug 17, 2004
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These stinkin' illegals need to migrate to 'merica legally, like my grandpappy did. I have no beef with legal immigrants! We need to stop giving them all of that free stuff, stuff even I don't get or can't afford and I was born here! Free medical care, free Obamaphones, free housing, it makes the mind boggle. Those filthy buggers sneak over here, work in the sun outside all day without any benefits, and then have the audacity to send some money back to Mexico to their families! That is all so un-American.

What is American is good old fashioned god-fearing poor white folk trudging to the factories and mines, working alongside their brothers for 12 hours a day, hopefully working up to being boss of a black fella or a yellow fella so you know you're superior! Yes indeed, the American dream.
 

Moonbeam

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These stinkin' illegals need to migrate to 'merica legally, like my grandpappy did. I have no beef with legal immigrants! We need to stop giving them all of that free stuff, stuff even I don't get or can't afford and I was born here! Free medical care, free Obamaphones, free housing, it makes the mind boggle. Those filthy buggers sneak over here, work in the sun outside all day without any benefits, and then have the audacity to send some money back to Mexico to their families! That is all so un-American.

What is American is good old fashioned god-fearing poor white folk trudging to the factories and mines, working alongside their brothers for 12 hours a day, hopefully working up to being boss of a black fella or a yellow fella so you know you're superior! Yes indeed, the American dream.
These are accurate sarcastic descriptions of how people rationalize their insanity. What are they seeking to achieve and why do they feel that need?
 

nOOky

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These are accurate sarcastic descriptions of how people rationalize their insanity. What are they seeking to achieve and why do they feel that need?
It's their last gasp attempt at feeling relevant, powerful, and in charge of their own destinies. White privilege is not something they want to give up easily, because in their mind they built this country through their own hard work and skill, and to the victor goes the spoils.
 
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trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
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What's really dangerous about Trump's policies is that he's recruited millions of Americans to think as he does, like they've been wandering around looking for a purpose in life but not knowing how or even why, then Trump comes along and proselytizes to them "Believe me, I am The One you've been looking for to bring out and release your pent up hatred, your racism, your feelings of being victimized, your fear of the unknown sacrilegious demons that hide under your beds. But most of all I'm going to tell you who to hate and fear, why that is and let you know that I am the answer to all of the problems I've led you to believe. I promise I will on day one ______and____and_____and furthermore, l will lie to you, fool you, brain fuck you, scam you and you will like it or be cast out of my Kingdom!! "
 
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iRONic

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What's really dangerous about Trump's policies is that he's recruited millions of Americans to think as he does, like they've been wandering around looking for a purpose in life but not knowing how or even why, then Trump comes along and proselytizes to them "Believe me, I am The One you've been looking for to bring out and release your pent up hatred, your racism, your feelings of being victimized, your fear of the unknown sacrilegious demons that hide under your beds. But most of all I'm going to tell you who to hate and fear, why that is and let you know that I am the answer to all of the problems I've led you to believe. I promise I will on day one ______and____and_____and furthermore, l will lie to you, fool you, brain fuck you, scam you and you will like it or be cast out of my Kingdom!! "

you think you're gonna to live your life alone
in darkness
and seclusion
yeah I know
you've been out there
tried to mix with those animals
and it just left you full of humiliated confusion
so you stagger back home
and wait for nothing
but the solitary refinement of your room spits you back out onto the street
and now you're desperate
and in need of human contact
and then
you meet me
and you whole world changes
because everything I say is everything you've ever wanted to hear
so you drop all your defenses and you drop all your fears
and you trust me completely
I'm perfect
in every way
cause I make you feel so strong and so powerful inside
you feel so lucky
but your ego obscures reality
and you never bother to wonder why
things are going so well
you wanna know why?
cause I'm a liar
yeah I'm a liar
I'll tear your mind out
I'll burn your soul
I'll turn you into me
I'll turn you into me
cause I'm a liar, a liar
a liar, a liar

I'll hide behind a smile
and understanding eyes
and I'll tell you things that you already know
so you can say
I really identify with you, so much
and all the time that you're needing me
is just the time that I'm bleeding you
don't you get it yet?
I'll come to you like an affliction
and I'll leave you like an addiction
you'll never forget me
you wanna know why?
cause I'm a liar
yeah I'm a liar
I'll rip your mind out
I'll burn your soul
I'll turn you into me
I'll turn you into me
cause I'm a liar, a liar
liar, liar, liar, liar

I don't know why I feel the need to lie
and cause you so much pain
maybe it's something inside
maybe it's something I can't explain
cause all I do
is mess you up and lie to you
I'm a liar
oh, I am a liar

if you'll give me one more chance
I swear that I will never lie to you again
because now I see the destructive power of a lie
they're stronger than truth
I can't believe I ever hurt you
I swear
I will never to you lie again, please
just give me one more chance
I will never lie to you again
I swear
that I will never tell a lie
I will never tell a lie
no, no
ha ha ha ha ha hah haa haa haa haaa
sucker
sucker!
oh, sucker
I am a liar
yeah, I am a liar
yeah I like it
I feel good
ohh I am a liar
yeah
I lie
I lie
I lie
oh, I lie
oh I lie
I lie
yeah
ohhh I'm a liar
I lie
yeah
I like it
I feel good
I'll lie again
and again
I'll lie again and again
and I'll keep lying
I promise
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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America has never been great, it's been better but never great.

MAGA is an oxymoron.

"An oxymoron a day keeps reality away," that was on a T-shirt a friend of mine wore. She had a unique understated sense of humor.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
40,302
9,887
136

you think you're gonna to live your life alone
in darkness
and seclusion
yeah I know
you've been out there
tried to mix with those animals
and it just left you full of humiliated confusion
so you stagger back home
and wait for nothing
but the solitary refinement of your room spits you back out onto the street
and now you're desperate
and in need of human contact
and then
you meet me
and you whole world changes
because everything I say is everything you've ever wanted to hear
so you drop all your defenses and you drop all your fears
and you trust me completely
I'm perfect
in every way
cause I make you feel so strong and so powerful inside
you feel so lucky
but your ego obscures reality
and you never bother to wonder why
things are going so well
you wanna know why?
cause I'm a liar
yeah I'm a liar
I'll tear your mind out
I'll burn your soul
I'll turn you into me
I'll turn you into me
cause I'm a liar, a liar
a liar, a liar

I'll hide behind a smile
and understanding eyes
and I'll tell you things that you already know
so you can say
I really identify with you, so much
and all the time that you're needing me
is just the time that I'm bleeding you
don't you get it yet?
I'll come to you like an affliction
and I'll leave you like an addiction
you'll never forget me
you wanna know why?
cause I'm a liar
yeah I'm a liar
I'll rip your mind out
I'll burn your soul
I'll turn you into me
I'll turn you into me
cause I'm a liar, a liar
liar, liar, liar, liar

I don't know why I feel the need to lie
and cause you so much pain
maybe it's something inside
maybe it's something I can't explain
cause all I do
is mess you up and lie to you
I'm a liar
oh, I am a liar

if you'll give me one more chance
I swear that I will never lie to you again
because now I see the destructive power of a lie
they're stronger than truth
I can't believe I ever hurt you
I swear
I will never to you lie again, please
just give me one more chance
I will never lie to you again
I swear
that I will never tell a lie
I will never tell a lie
no, no
ha ha ha ha ha hah haa haa haa haaa
sucker
sucker!
oh, sucker
I am a liar
yeah, I am a liar
yeah I like it
I feel good
ohh I am a liar
yeah
I lie
I lie
I lie
oh, I lie
oh I lie
I lie
yeah
ohhh I'm a liar
I lie
yeah
I like it
I feel good
I'll lie again
and again
I'll lie again and again
and I'll keep lying
I promise
Staples Singers - Leave that Liar Alone

 
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Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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It's their last gasp attempt at feeling relevant, powerful, and in charge of their own destinies. White privilege is not something they want to give up easily, because in their mind they built this country through their own hard work and skill, and to the victor goes the spoils.
I understand that. I agree these things are true. I am asking you why they are true. How did those people get that way. The key, I think is in what you called a last ditch attempt to feel relevant. If so then where my questioning would lead you is to tell me why they want to feel relevant. Why don't they not want to feel relevant. It seems like they actually don't feel relevant so I am really asking you why they got to feel that way.

How does one come to feel irrelevant? Does it happen in a vacuum or are their causes?

From my point of view symptoms are easy. I have a runny nose. No problem, my nose is running this minute. Am I a snot nosed kid? Do I resent being told I have a runny nose. It depends on my past experience with having a runny nose and was I disrespected for it.

Do you see where I am going? I have no problem with your diagnosis but I am curious if there is enough knowledge to know why people behave as they do to alter their condition. I personally am very unhappy that so many people are as you describe them but I want more than that. I am looking for a cure and I think a big part of the problem is that very very few are honestly looking for one because the truth is dangerous to the ego and we have too much of one.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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MAGA is what Putin referred to when he said that the American Empire was destroying itself.
I think the real intention of that remark was not to credit MAGA for the destruction of America but to complement himself for creating MEGA via Russian disinformation psychological warfare. Just my opinion.
 
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UNCjigga

Lifer
Dec 12, 2000
25,338
9,881
136
America has never been great, it's been better but never great.

MAGA is an oxymoron.

"An oxymoron a day keeps reality away," that was on a T-shirt a friend of mine wore. She had a unique understated sense of humor.
Reminded me of this scene from the Newsroom pilot (keep in mind this was written when the Tea Party movement first exploded on the scene, preceding MAGA):

 
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cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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I think the real intention of that remark was not to credit MAGA for the destruction of America but to complement himself for creating MEGA via Russian disinformation psychological warfare. Just my opinion.
Sure, both works.
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
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What seems so interesting to me is when Trump supporters attempt to reconcile how they think they're being loyal patriotic Americans by helping Trump stand up a dictatorship while waving their rebel flags shouting USA! USA! USA! Amazing how they can justify that special kind of insanity to themselves. Oh well...
 
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