Maine Legalizes Same-Sex Marriage

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Marriage is a man and a woman. Anything else is wrong. Simple as that.

Thank you for that highly insightful and useful, informative post.

Though actually, what you have stated is an opinion based upon your own personal and/or religious beliefs. My equally valid opinion, based on my own personal and/or religious beliefs, is that your opinion is wrong.

There's only one way to settle this: Thunderdome!

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Marriage is a man and a woman. Anything else is wrong. Simple as that.

Why and what is the justification for such?

Cause the Bible, Koran and Torah says so. If you believe in that nonsense that's all you need to know.

Unfortunantly, whether we want to admit it or not, religion is what is REALLY holding our societies back these days.

Progress can't be had when you have to adhere to thousand year old texts.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
You conveniently ignored that I fully support gay marriage. So either you're an idiot or a bigot, because you sure found the potential that I was gay to be quite funny.

And a quick search shows you routinely telling people who disagree with your tobacco prohibitionist views that they should go smoke themselves and die, to do the world a favor.

I guess life must be hard when people don't fit into your incredibly narrow worldview you prick. Talk about a lying, no talent bigoted POS - you're the king.

Son, you got hammered on your own words... This pathetic rebuttal is just that, pathetic.

Try not to be so fucking transparent next time and maybe you'll have a chance.

 

[kage69]

Unfortunantly, whether we want to admit it or not, religion is what is REALLY holding our societies back these days. Progress can't be had when you have to adhere to thousand year old texts.

While I feel there's a fair bit of wiggle room on the term "progress," in the way you used it, I couldn't agree more. :thumbsup:


Nice to see civil rights proceeding with their logical adoption. I'll be sure to let you guys know if Maine suddenly turns into Mogadishu due to high levels of teh gay.
A good addition to a short list of good examples. Civil rights advancing isn't a bad thing, and in this case just maybe might lead to fewer gay parades. Can you really put a price on that kind of win-win situation?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Not surprising really that the gays have seized upon this moment of conservative idiocy and weakness to push their agenda. No, they aren't trying to convert your little angels to the gay, it's just an agenda of equal rights despite what your idiot leaders are telling you.

This is what you get for fucking up the country for the last 8 years, gay marriage, a Democrat controlled Congress and Senate, and a liberal black man as President! Suck it up bitches! :laugh:

Why this is even an issue is beyond me quite honestly. I have no problem with allowing gay couples to marry. Don't we have more important things to worry about?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Mackie2k

Originally posted by: andy9o
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITI...ex.marriage/index.html

(CNN) -- Same-sex marriage became legal in Maine on Wednesday as Gov. John Baldacci signed a bill less than an hour after the state legislature approved it.
Maine Gov. John Baldacci signed a bill Wednesday legalizing same-sex marriage.

"I have come to believe that this is a question of fairness and of equal protection under the law and that a civil union is not equal to civil marriage," said Baldacci, a Democrat.

But he raised the possibility that the residents of the state would overturn the law, saying, "Just as the Maine Constitution demands that all people are treated equally under the law, it also guarantees that the ultimate political power in the State belongs to the people."

Three other states -- Massachusetts, Connecticut and Iowa -- allow same-sex marriages. Vermont has passed a law making gay and lesbian marriages legal that takes effect in September. New Hampshire lawmakers are close to passing a similar bill.

On Tuesday, the Washington City Council voted to recognize same-sex marriages from states that allow those unions. Mayor Adrian Fenty has indicated that he will sign the measure. It will become law if Congress fails to overturn the measure during a 30-day review period.

A slim majority of Americans are against legal recognition for same-sex marriage, CNN polling found last month.

Fifty-four percent of adults questioned in an April 23-26 nationwide CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll said that marriages between gay or lesbian couples should not be recognized as valid, while 44 percent said they should be considered legal.

The survey's sampling error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.

I agree with the governor, that separation cannot be legal. Even among the "liberal" parties politicians, not many get this.

Depends on your definition of marriage. I see it as between a man and a woman....

But I see being "gay" as a genetic disorder. You are born that way, and it's something that is phsically wrong with you, not a choice by anymeans. Doesn't mean we should support that way of life as normal.

Who gives a fuck how you see it? I'm sure that is what really matters to gay people across the country. :roll:

Nobody is asking for your support, just equal rights. Deal with it.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Marriage is a man and a woman. Anything else is wrong. Simple as that.

Why and what is the justification for such?

Cause the Bible, Koran and Torah says so. If you believe in that nonsense that's all you need to know.

Unfortunantly, whether we want to admit it or not, religion is what is REALLY holding our societies back these days.

Progress can't be had when you have to adhere to thousand year old texts.

I know several Christians and Muslims who have no problems with gays or gay marriage. A minority, yes, but don't categorize everyone as bigot please. Even if they do believe it is a "sin", someone's decision to get married has no effect on them so they don't care.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Marriage is a man and a woman. Anything else is wrong. Simple as that.

Why and what is the justification for such?

Cause the Bible, Koran and Torah says so. If you believe in that nonsense that's all you need to know.

Unfortunantly, whether we want to admit it or not, religion is what is REALLY holding our societies back these days.

Progress can't be had when you have to adhere to thousand year old texts.

I know several Christians and Muslims who have no problems with gays or gay marriage. A minority, yes, but don't categorize everyone as bigot please. Even if they do believe it is a "sin", someone's decision to get married has no effect on them so they don't care.

They are for gay rights, and that's good. But if they think homosexuality is a sin, they are definitely "holding our societies back." They are not retrogressive, but they have antiquated views towards sexuality.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: nkgreen
I know several Christians and Muslims who have no problems with gays or gay marriage. A minority, yes, but don't categorize everyone as bigot please. Even if they do believe it is a "sin", someone's decision to get married has no effect on them so they don't care.

That seems much more in line with "love the sinner, hate the sin" at least.

 

[sportage]

Yeah with all the hoopla and protesting and ranting by opponents, after two same sex folks are married, the hoopla ends and they become just another married couple.
If you passed them on the street, you pass just two other people walking down the street.
All the fuss and ranting is sooooo totally meaningless. Talk about blown out of proportion.
I think same sex marriage is the most blown out of proportion human issue in history.
Negative TV spots, protests, lies and violence. And for what??? Really, what is the true gain by opponents other than looking foolish, or to score some nonsense game point.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Marriage is a man and a woman. Anything else is wrong. Simple as that.

Why and what is the justification for such?

Cause the Bible, Koran and Torah says so. If you believe in that nonsense that's all you need to know.

Unfortunantly, whether we want to admit it or not, religion is what is REALLY holding our societies back these days.

Progress can't be had when you have to adhere to thousand year old texts.

I know several Christians and Muslims who have no problems with gays or gay marriage. A minority, yes, but don't categorize everyone as bigot please. Even if they do believe it is a "sin", someone's decision to get married has no effect on them so they don't care.

They are for gay rights, and that's good. But if they think homosexuality is a sin, they are definitely "holding our societies back." They are not retrogressive, but they have antiquated views towards sexuality.

Perhaps, but antiquated views on anything are just that: views. People are entitled to their opinions, right or wrong, and as long as it doesn't affect the rights of others, I can't find fault in that. Opinions don't hold back anything, just actions.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Marriage is a man and a woman. Anything else is wrong. Simple as that.

Marriage is between a white man and a white woman. Anything else is wrong. Simple as that.

Marriage is between a rich white man and a rich white woman. Anything else is wrong. Simple as that.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Marriage is a man and a woman. Anything else is wrong. Simple as that.

Why and what is the justification for such?

Cause the Bible, Koran and Torah says so. If you believe in that nonsense that's all you need to know.

Unfortunantly, whether we want to admit it or not, religion is what is REALLY holding our societies back these days.

Progress can't be had when you have to adhere to thousand year old texts.

I know several Christians and Muslims who have no problems with gays or gay marriage. A minority, yes, but don't categorize everyone as bigot please. Even if they do believe it is a "sin", someone's decision to get married has no effect on them so they don't care.

They are for gay rights, and that's good. But if they think homosexuality is a sin, they are definitely "holding our societies back." They are not retrogressive, but they have antiquated views towards sexuality.

Perhaps, but antiquated views on anything are just that: views. People are entitled to their opinions, right or wrong, and as long as it doesn't affect the rights of others, I can't find fault in that. Opinions don't hold back anything, just actions.

Do you really think that these people would be fair when hiring, working with or promoting a homosexual? I doubt it.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Do you really think that these people would be fair when hiring, working with or promoting a homosexual? I doubt it.

Sure. It's not a stretch if they have gay friends and don't discriminate. Just because someone has a lifestyle that you don't 100% of approve doesn't mean that you can't be friends or that they're not a good employee. Sexual preferences have no affect on one's worth as a person or employee.

I may be seeing through rose-colored glasses, but cynicism is no way to live life.

 

[theflyingpig]

Gay marriage is an excellent idea, and should be legal across the nation. By allowing gays to marry, we can build an extensive database on the gay population, and will allow further study into what causes people to be gay. We will be able to examine familial ties and analyze patters in gay behavior. This information may lead to advances in "curing" the gay population, or, at the very least, it may lead to a better understanding of why people turn out to be gay in the first place. Everyone knows this.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: n yusef

Do you really think that these people would be fair when hiring, working with or promoting a homosexual? I doubt it.

Sure. It's not a stretch if they have gay friends and don't discriminate. Just because someone has a lifestyle that you don't 100% of approve doesn't mean that you can't be friends or that they're not a good employee. Sexual preferences have no affect on one's worth as a person or employee.

I may be seeing through rose-colored glasses, but cynicism is no way to live life.

There are two otherwise similar candidates. One leads a "sinful lifestyle." The other doesn't. Who do you think has a better chance to get the job?

I'm not saying that religious people must be prejudiced, or that they will always discriminate. Rather, I think that people won't want to work next to a sinner. It might not be a priority when compared to education or previous work experience, but it will definitely be a factor when comparing similarly qualified persons.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Gay marriage is an excellent idea, and should be legal across the nation. By allowing gays to marry, we can build an extensive database on the gay population, and will allow further study into what causes people to be gay. We will be able to examine familial ties and analyze patters in gay behavior. This information may lead to advances in "curing" the gay population, or, at the very least, it may lead to a better understanding of why people turn out to be gay in the first place. Everyone knows this.

Apparently 'everyone knows' just about every single post you make. If that's the case, you probably don't need to post it to begin with.

Actually now that I think about it, if you stopped posting that would be great.

 

[Farang]

It's a step forward.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Apparently 'everyone knows' just about every single post you make. If that's the case, you probably don't need to post it to begin with.

Actually now that I think about it, if you stopped posting that would be great.

You don't like me. It is because my views and opinions are based on facts and logic, while yours are based on foolish emotions. The fact that you cannot win a debate with me is the source of your resentment. Get over it.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: sportage
Yeah with all the hoopla and protesting and ranting by opponents, after two same sex folks are married, the hoopla ends and they become just another married couple.
If you passed them on the street, you pass just two other people walking down the street.
All the fuss and ranting is sooooo totally meaningless. Talk about blown out of proportion.
I think same sex marriage is the most blown out of proportion human issue in history.
Negative TV spots, protests, lies and violence. And for what??? Really, what is the true gain by opponents other than looking foolish, or to score some nonsense game point.

You obviously wouldn't be saying this if you were the one who's rights are being trampled on by the government/bigots.

I take it you would have no qualms if someone told you that you could not marry the person you love and want to be with for the rest of your life?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Apparently 'everyone knows' just about every single post you make. If that's the case, you probably don't need to post it to begin with.

Actually now that I think about it, if you stopped posting that would be great.

You don't like me. It is because my views and opinions are based on facts and logic, while yours are based on foolish emotions. The fact that you cannot win a debate with me is the source of your resentment. Get over it.

You're right I don't like you, but it's because you have the world viewpoint of a child. Your opinions aren't based on facts and logic, they are based upon ignorance. When you learn a bit more about how the world really works you will understand what I mean, but at this point you are acting like a self satisfied teenager who is too dumb to realize that he's dumb.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
You're right I don't like you, but it's because you have the world viewpoint of a child. Your opinions aren't based on facts and logic, they are based upon ignorance. When you learn a bit more about how the world really works you will understand what I mean, but at this point you are acting like a self satisfied teenager who is too dumb to realize that he's dumb.

This is a prime example of what I was talking about. Your entire analysis is based, not on facts, but your own foolish emotions. My views are not those of a child, they are those of someone who has had vast amounts of life experience in the most hostile environments. This is why things I say are so foreign to you. You have been sheltered your whole life. It's time for you to put away the books and get out of the house. Perhaps then the things I say will make sense to you.

 

[Mackie2k]

Originally posted by: andy9o

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Mackie2k

Originally posted by: andy9o
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITI...ex.marriage/index.html

I agree with the governor, that separation cannot be legal. Even among the "liberal" parties politicians, not many get this.

Depends on your definition of marriage. I see it as between a man and a woman....

But I see being "gay" as a genetic disorder. You are born that way, and it's something that is phsically wrong with you, not a choice by anymeans. Doesn't mean we should support that way of life as normal.

Good thing your definition of marriage doesn't matter, and your view of homosexuality is irrelevant.

So, you agree with most that homosexuality is not a choice, but, think they should be second-class citizens? I guess I'm a little confused as to what you would have them do then? Sit at the back of the bus?

But Marriage's definition is between a man and woman. The fact that you aren't into Woman or Men because you are gay doesn't change that. Not everyone has to get a ribbon for 8th place, not everyone needs to be married to be equal. It's funny how I can't get benefits for my girlfriend who's lived with me for 4 years and we are in a committed, loving relationship...but all the gay guys at work who have been dating for 6 months can get full benefits if they sign a piece of paper.

You get benefits and domestic partnerships. Be happy you get anything at all.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Mackie2k

Depends on your definition of marriage. I see it as between a man and a woman....

But I see being "gay" as a genetic disorder. You are born that way, and it's something that is phsically wrong with you, not a choice by anymeans. Doesn't mean we should support that way of life as normal.

I hope you have a hefty flame suit today....

Ha, ha! Chuckle, Chuckle! Bigotry is so amusing. He, he, he, he, ho, ho! Ha, ha! Deny people their civil rights, cause them harm treating them as second-class citizens. Hilarious!

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: eskimospy
You're right I don't like you, but it's because you have the world viewpoint of a child. Your opinions aren't based on facts and logic, they are based upon ignorance. When you learn a bit more about how the world really works you will understand what I mean, but at this point you are acting like a self satisfied teenager who is too dumb to realize that he's dumb.

This is a prime example of what I was talking about. Your entire analysis is based, not on facts, but your own foolish emotions. My views are not those of a child, they are those of someone who has had vast amounts of life experience in the most hostile environments. This is why things I say are so foreign to you. You have been sheltered your whole life. It's time for you to put away the books and get out of the house. Perhaps then the things I say will make sense to you.

I've been to every continent on the planet except Antarctica, I've been in a war, I've been in big cities and the backwoods boonies of Cambodia. If you honestly think the way you do after 'vast amounts of life experience', then you haven't been paying attention. You think we should 'cure' gay people? For what possible reason? When you say stupid shit like that, expect to be called out on it. If you really are as old as you seem to claim, be ashamed of it.

Everyone knows this.