LOL.
Saying Same Sex Marriage is a Civil Rights issue dimenishes all the real civil rights issues real minorities have fought for......
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: Mackie2k
Depends on your definition of marriage. I see it as between a man and a woman....
But I see being "gay" as a genetic disorder. You are born that way, and it's something that is phsically wrong with you, not a choice by anymeans. Doesn't mean we should support that way of life as normal.
I hope you have a hefty flame suit today....
Ha, ha! Chuckle, Chuckle! Bigotry is so amusing. He, he, he, he, ho, ho! Ha, ha! Deny people their civil rights, cause them harm treating them as second-class citizens. Hilarious!
Originally posted by: Mackie2k
But Marriage's definition is between a man and woman.
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Mackie2k
But Marriage's definition is between a man and woman.
And the legal definitions once did not include freedom for slaves - so that's that, right?
The legal definition of 'voter' once said 'male' - and so that's that, right?
The fact that the definition *is based on unjustified bigotry and discrimination is a reason to change it, not leave it with the bigotry in place.*
You're a frickin idiot and a bigot. You're lucky idiots are not discriminated against legally.
Originally posted by: eskimospy
I've been to every continent on the planet except Antarctica, I've been in a war, I've been in big cities and the backwoods boonies of Cambodia. If you honestly think the way you do after 'vast amounts of life experience', then you haven't been paying attention. You think we should 'cure' gay people? For what possible reason? When you say stupid shit like that, expect to be called out on it. If you really are as old as you seem to claim, be ashamed of it.
Everyone knows this.
Originally posted by: Mackie2k
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Mackie2k
But Marriage's definition is between a man and woman.
And the legal definitions once did not include freedom for slaves - so that's that, right?
The legal definition of 'voter' once said 'male' - and so that's that, right?
The fact that the definition *is based on unjustified bigotry and discrimination is a reason to change it, not leave it with the bigotry in place.*
You're a frickin idiot and a bigot. You're lucky idiots are not discriminated against legally.
Nice personal attack. I can see your level of maturity and it's not very impressive.
I work with and have alot of friends who are gay. You know nothing of me or my background. Because I believe that somethings should be sacred and not shared by everyone you call me a bigot. You are the reason that you won't convince the majority of american's of your cause. Because you have no respect of anyone's point of view.
Go suck a fat one.
Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Originally posted by: eskimospy
I've been to every continent on the planet except Antarctica, I've been in a war, I've been in big cities and the backwoods boonies of Cambodia. If you honestly think the way you do after 'vast amounts of life experience', then you haven't been paying attention. You think we should 'cure' gay people? For what possible reason? When you say stupid shit like that, expect to be called out on it. If you really are as old as you seem to claim, be ashamed of it.
Everyone knows this.
The primary purpose of living creatures is to reproduce. Gays do not reproduce, therefore there is something wrong with them. This is a fact of nature, you cannot deny it. I did not claim that there is a definite cure for being gay, however I proposed a study of gays. Perhaps gay humans are programed into our DNA as a natural population control. I am only interested in learning the facts, unlike you, who uses only emotion to make decisions.
Originally posted by: n yusef
There is something wrong with you. Hopefully that means you won't reproduce.
Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Originally posted by: eskimospy
I've been to every continent on the planet except Antarctica, I've been in a war, I've been in big cities and the backwoods boonies of Cambodia. If you honestly think the way you do after 'vast amounts of life experience', then you haven't been paying attention. You think we should 'cure' gay people? For what possible reason? When you say stupid shit like that, expect to be called out on it. If you really are as old as you seem to claim, be ashamed of it.
Everyone knows this.
The primary purpose of living creatures is to reproduce. Gays do not reproduce, therefore there is something wrong with them. This is a fact of nature, you cannot deny it. I did not claim that there is a definite cure for being gay, however I proposed a study of gays. Perhaps gay humans are programed into our DNA as a natural population control. I am only interested in learning the facts, unlike you, who uses only emotion to make decisions.
Originally posted by: n yusef
Originally posted by: Mackie2k
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Mackie2k
But Marriage's definition is between a man and woman.
And the legal definitions once did not include freedom for slaves - so that's that, right?
The legal definition of 'voter' once said 'male' - and so that's that, right?
The fact that the definition *is based on unjustified bigotry and discrimination is a reason to change it, not leave it with the bigotry in place.*
You're a frickin idiot and a bigot. You're lucky idiots are not discriminated against legally.
Nice personal attack. I can see your level of maturity and it's not very impressive.
I work with and have alot of friends who are gay. You know nothing of me or my background. Because I believe that somethings should be sacred and not shared by everyone you call me a bigot. You are the reason that you won't convince the majority of american's of your cause. Because you have no respect of anyone's point of view.
Go suck a fat one.
I feel sorry for the self-hating homosexuals with whom you are associated.
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Originally posted by: eskimospy
I've been to every continent on the planet except Antarctica, I've been in a war, I've been in big cities and the backwoods boonies of Cambodia. If you honestly think the way you do after 'vast amounts of life experience', then you haven't been paying attention. You think we should 'cure' gay people? For what possible reason? When you say stupid shit like that, expect to be called out on it. If you really are as old as you seem to claim, be ashamed of it.
Everyone knows this.
The primary purpose of living creatures is to reproduce. Gays do not reproduce, therefore there is something wrong with them. This is a fact of nature, you cannot deny it. I did not claim that there is a definite cure for being gay, however I proposed a study of gays. Perhaps gay humans are programed into our DNA as a natural population control. I am only interested in learning the facts, unlike you, who uses only emotion to make decisions.
You suggested such research could be used to 'cure' gay people. Do we require increased human reproduction? For what possible reason would we decide what is right and wrong for our society based upon reproductive evolutionary principles?
I would love to know what decisions you think I have made, along with the thought process that I've used to make them. You sound a lot like RichardE, as he embarrassed himself like this too. So far I've noticed you being dogpiled in a bunch of different threads when you tried to exert your 'expert knowledge' on issues, only to be shown up. I would have thought you would have learned better by now, but no such luck.
Originally posted by: Mackie2k
Originally posted by: n yusef
Originally posted by: Mackie2k
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Mackie2k
But Marriage's definition is between a man and woman.
And the legal definitions once did not include freedom for slaves - so that's that, right?
The legal definition of 'voter' once said 'male' - and so that's that, right?
The fact that the definition *is based on unjustified bigotry and discrimination is a reason to change it, not leave it with the bigotry in place.*
You're a frickin idiot and a bigot. You're lucky idiots are not discriminated against legally.
Nice personal attack. I can see your level of maturity and it's not very impressive.
I work with and have alot of friends who are gay. You know nothing of me or my background. Because I believe that somethings should be sacred and not shared by everyone you call me a bigot. You are the reason that you won't convince the majority of american's of your cause. Because you have no respect of anyone's point of view.
Go suck a fat one.
I feel sorry for the self-hating homosexuals with whom you are associated.
They aren't gay first, people second.
They are just people. My friends. That's the problem with people like you, you put GAY FIRST and the person 2nd. You don't want to be married because it's equal rights, you want to do because you are pissing off straight people. Pure and Simple.
I think marriage is between a man and a woman. It doens't mean I HATE GAYs. IT DOESN'T MEAN I AM A BIGOT.
What it means is, I'm free to feel how I want. And any person, gay or straight who doesn't think I can feel the way I want, can goto hell.
Originally posted by: eskimospy
You suggested such research could be used to 'cure' gay people. Do we require increased human reproduction? For what possible reason would we decide what is right and wrong for our society based upon reproductive evolutionary principles?
I would love to know what decisions you think I have made, along with the thought process that I've used to make them. You sound a lot like RichardE, as he embarrassed himself like this too. So far I've noticed you being dogpiled in a bunch of different threads when you tried to exert your 'expert knowledge' on issues, only to be shown up. I would have thought you would have learned better by now, but no such luck.
Originally posted by: Mackie2k
Show me where being gay has evolutionary advantages and I'll start to agree with your argument.
But the fact is, there is no benefit. In fact, it's a burden.
You don't produce children, thusly you have no offspring to take care of you in your old age. (assuming you don't adopt). Which means taking care of you will fall onto society more often than straight people with Children.
Obviously this doesn't always hold true, but it's more true than not.
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: Mackie2k
Depends on your definition of marriage. I see it as between a man and a woman....
But I see being "gay" as a genetic disorder. You are born that way, and it's something that is phsically wrong with you, not a choice by anymeans. Doesn't mean we should support that way of life as normal.
I hope you have a hefty flame suit today....
Im a gigantic tool, and I love it!
Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Indeed I did say that such research could be used to cure gays. Unlike other animals we have the intelligence to influence our evolution. Curing gays would be a result of that. As for us increasing the population, I have already addressed that issue in a previous post.
I can tell that you are basing your posts on emotion simply by reading them. Anyone with any sense can see that. I will admit that on occasion you use facts, to backup your emotionally charged arguments, but those occasions are rare.
Originally posted by: eskimospy
'Cure' gays to what end? It's not necessary in any way, shape, or form. I mean talk about a waste of time and resources. Your analysis of humanity also seems stunted and child-like. Without meaning to be insulting, you sound like you are autistic or aspergers afflicted.
Your ideas of who I am have already been shown to be false. It takes quite a special person to tell someone who has spent the better part of his adult life traveling and who has been to every continent that he is 'sheltered'. You were undeterred by being completely wrong in that case however, and just assumed that the rest of your analysis must be right.
You sound to me like someone who has spent most of his life around stupid people, so the fact that you are of average intelligence probably made you feel really smart all the time. Unfortunately at this point you've run into quite a few people who have shown themselves to be considerably smarter than you. You don't really know what to do, so you're resorting to the same old playbook that worked for you in the past... but it won't work here.
Everyone knows this.
Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Originally posted by: eskimospy
'Cure' gays to what end? It's not necessary in any way, shape, or form. I mean talk about a waste of time and resources. Your analysis of humanity also seems stunted and child-like. Without meaning to be insulting, you sound like you are autistic or aspergers afflicted.
Your ideas of who I am have already been shown to be false. It takes quite a special person to tell someone who has spent the better part of his adult life traveling and who has been to every continent that he is 'sheltered'. You were undeterred by being completely wrong in that case however, and just assumed that the rest of your analysis must be right.
You sound to me like someone who has spent most of his life around stupid people, so the fact that you are of average intelligence probably made you feel really smart all the time. Unfortunately at this point you've run into quite a few people who have shown themselves to be considerably smarter than you. You don't really know what to do, so you're resorting to the same old playbook that worked for you in the past... but it won't work here.
Everyone knows this.
Curing gays is merely a side effect of the study, not the purpose of it. I have already stated this. To what end you ask? Because we can. To people who are gay and are happy with that, then fine, however, if we can identify what makes people gay, then we can eliminate the possibility before birth.
My ideas, are anything but false. They are revolutionary. This is why you cannot accept them. In your lifetime you seem to have created a reality for yourself, and anything outside of that reality seems insane to you. Your mind cannot accept it. This is the difference between creativity and mediocrity. Those of us who can think on our own and accept new ideas, advance humanity as a whole. Those who cannot simply live their lives, without making any significant contributions to society. There is still time for you to change though. In you I see a small amount of potential to ascend to something better than you are now. I can help you along, if you let me.
Originally posted by: Mackie2k
Saying Same Sex Marriage is a Civil Rights issue dimenishes all the real civil rights issues real minorities have fought for......
Originally posted by: Mackie2k
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Mackie2k
But Marriage's definition is between a man and woman.
And the legal definitions once did not include freedom for slaves - so that's that, right?
The legal definition of 'voter' once said 'male' - and so that's that, right?
The fact that the definition *is based on unjustified bigotry and discrimination is a reason to change it, not leave it with the bigotry in place.*
You're a frickin idiot and a bigot. You're lucky idiots are not discriminated against legally.
Nice personal attack. I can see your level of maturity and it's not very impressive.
I work with and have alot of friends who are gay. You know nothing of me or my background. Because I believe that somethings should be sacred and not shared by everyone you call me a bigot. You are the reason that you won't convince the majority of american's of your cause. Because you have no respect of anyone's point of view.
Go suck a fat one.
Originally posted by: Mackie2k
I think marriage is between a man and a woman. It doens't mean I HATE GAYs. IT DOESN'T MEAN I AM A BIGOT.
What it means is, I'm free to feel how I want. And any person, gay or straight who doesn't think I can feel the way I want, can goto hell.
Originally posted by: Mackie2k
They are just people. My friends. That's the problem with people like you, you put GAY FIRST and the person 2nd. You don't want to be married because it's equal rights, you want to do because you are pissing off straight people. Pure and Simple.
Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Originally posted by: eskimospy
You're right I don't like you, but it's because you have the world viewpoint of a child. Your opinions aren't based on facts and logic, they are based upon ignorance. When you learn a bit more about how the world really works you will understand what I mean, but at this point you are acting like a self satisfied teenager who is too dumb to realize that he's dumb.
This is a prime example of what I was talking about. Your entire analysis is based, not on facts, but your own foolish emotions. My views are not those of a child, they are those of someone who has had vast amounts of life experience in the most hostile environments. This is why things I say are so foreign to you. You have been sheltered your whole life. It's time for you to put away the books and get out of the house. Perhaps then the things I say will make sense to you.
Originally posted by: Mackie2k
Originally posted by: andy9o
Originally posted by: n yusef
Good thing your definition of marriage doesn't matter, and your view of homosexuality is irrelevant.
So, you agree with most that homosexuality is not a choice, but, think they should be second-class citizens? I guess I'm a little confused as to what you would have them do then? Sit at the back of the bus?
But Marriage's definition is between a man and woman.
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Originally posted by: Mackie2k
Originally posted by: andy9o
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITI...ex.marriage/index.html
(CNN) -- Same-sex marriage became legal in Maine on Wednesday as Gov. John Baldacci signed a bill less than an hour after the state legislature approved it.
Maine Gov. John Baldacci signed a bill Wednesday legalizing same-sex marriage.
"I have come to believe that this is a question of fairness and of equal protection under the law and that a civil union is not equal to civil marriage," said Baldacci, a Democrat.
But he raised the possibility that the residents of the state would overturn the law, saying, "Just as the Maine Constitution demands that all people are treated equally under the law, it also guarantees that the ultimate political power in the State belongs to the people."
Three other states -- Massachusetts, Connecticut and Iowa -- allow same-sex marriages. Vermont has passed a law making gay and lesbian marriages legal that takes effect in September. New Hampshire lawmakers are close to passing a similar bill.
On Tuesday, the Washington City Council voted to recognize same-sex marriages from states that allow those unions. Mayor Adrian Fenty has indicated that he will sign the measure. It will become law if Congress fails to overturn the measure during a 30-day review period.
A slim majority of Americans are against legal recognition for same-sex marriage, CNN polling found last month.
Fifty-four percent of adults questioned in an April 23-26 nationwide CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll said that marriages between gay or lesbian couples should not be recognized as valid, while 44 percent said they should be considered legal.
The survey's sampling error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.
I agree with the governor, that separation cannot be legal. Even among the "liberal" parties politicians, not many get this.
Depends on your definition of marriage. I see it as between a man and a woman....
But I see being "gay" as a genetic disorder. You are born that way, and it's something that is phsically wrong with you, not a choice by anymeans. Doesn't mean we should support that way of life as normal.
Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Originally posted by: n yusef
There is something wrong with you. Hopefully that means you won't reproduce.
You are using emotion to guide you. That much is clear from your postings in this thread and others. You know that you cannot disprove what I have written, so you get angry and unleash it upon me. Everyone knows this.