Make Cops Wear Cameras

[Rekonn]

Read an interesting article, http://time.com/3111377/ferguson-police-cameras/. At first glance, seems like a good idea. The tech exists, and if departments can afford bearcats, they can certainly afford cameras. What do you guys think?

 

[SandEagle]

cops should wear two cameras. one facing outwards to record interaction with the public.
and one facing towards them so they can't make stuff up (like planting weed on people or saying dumb crap).

 

[Newell Steamer]

cops should wear two cameras. one facing outwards to record interaction with the public.
and one facing towards them so they can't make stuff up (like planting weed on people or saying dumb crap).

Who is going to wear the one facing towards them??

You might as well have 4 to 5 air drones follow them around during their shifts as well.

 

[Zargon]

Read an interesting article, http://time.com/3111377/ferguson-police-cameras/. At first glance, seems like a good idea. The tech exists, and if departments can afford bearcats, they can certainly afford cameras. What do you guys think?

Im just going to point out that most departments with bearcats were GIVEN them, by federal grants, they didn't have 400k to go out and buy one

 

[SandEagle]

Who is going to wear the one facing towards them??

You might as well have 4 to 5 air drones follow them around during their shifts as well.

i said the cops should wear two. maybe they can manipulate somthing and hang it out from their hats and have it face them. like below.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Im just going to point out that most departments with bearcats were GIVEN them, by federal grants, they didn't have 400k to go out and buy one

What if they sold their bearcat for 400k? Would they then have enough money to buy cameras?

 

[gotsmack]

Who is going to wear the one facing towards them??

You might as well have 4 to 5 air drones follow them around during their shifts as well.

You could have the second camera be a fishbowl type lens so that you can see what they are doing with their hands most of the time. Dunno what happens when they have to use the bathroom though.

 

[hal2kilo]

Who is going to wear the one facing towards them??

You might as well have 4 to 5 air drones follow them around during their shifts as well.

You must not watch "Finding Bigfoot"

 

[Newell Steamer]

i said the cops should wear two. maybe they can manipulate somthing and hang it out from their hats and have it face them. like below.

I still don't see how this will work.

It seems obstructive. And, the cops have shitty aim to begin with,.. why would be further shitify it with more crap to carry??

I think one camera is just fine.

 

[Sinsear]

When those cops with cameras take a break from beating blacks on street corners and respond to a rape scene, child abuse call, or domestic assault, or an aided scene when they need to do first aid or cpr etc, should they still be filming?

And when those same cops take a break from violating everyones rights and they are in the hospital interviewing victims of crimes, sitting on a prisoner, or returning paperwork to an individual injured in an accident should they still be filming?

 

[Sattern]

Although it's a good idea, the cops that really want to violate their code will always find ways around things to do their bidding's the way they want to rather than care about the well being of the people.

So essentially it will be a nuisance for the cops that do their job right and end up being tampered with by the bad cops to ensure they can fly under the radar.

If someone wants to do something bad enough technology isn't powerful enough to stop their motive to find a way to remain undetected.

They can even "mute" the camera and only record when the suspect does something wrong rather than display the full evidence.

 

[Newell Steamer]

When those cops with cameras take a break from beating blacks on street corners and respond to a rape scene, child abuse call, or domestic assault, or an aided scene when they need to do first aid or cpr etc, should they still be filming?

And when those same cops take a break from violating everyones rights and they are in the hospital interviewing victims of crimes, sitting on a prisoner, or returning paperwork to an individual injured in an accident should they still be filming?

:thumbsup:

 

[Sacrilege]

When those cops with cameras take a break from beating blacks on street corners and respond to a rape scene, child abuse call, or domestic assault, or an aided scene when they need to do first aid or cpr etc, should they still be filming?

And when those same cops take a break from violating everyones rights and they are in the hospital interviewing victims of crimes, sitting on a prisoner, or returning paperwork to an individual injured in an accident should they still be filming?

Yes to everything above. This would make good reality TV and could help offset the costs of the camera systems.

 

[cuafpr]

yep, i believe the places that have cops wearing camera's have reported less instances of complaints against cops, and cops have had better cooperation from citizens. its a win win to me.

 

[her209]

When those cops with cameras take a break from beating blacks on street corners and respond to a rape scene, child abuse call, or domestic assault, or an aided scene when they need to do first aid or cpr etc, should they still be filming?

And when those same cops take a break from violating everyones rights and they are in the hospital interviewing victims of crimes, sitting on a prisoner, or returning paperwork to an individual injured in an accident should they still be filming?

Yes. If you're arguing that its a privacy issue, then should cops not include the names of the crime victims in their police reports either?

 

[Pipeline 1010]

When those cops with cameras take a break from beating blacks on street corners and respond to a rape scene, child abuse call, or domestic assault, or an aided scene when they need to do first aid or cpr etc, should they still be filming?

And when those same cops take a break from violating everyones rights and they are in the hospital interviewing victims of crimes, sitting on a prisoner, or returning paperwork to an individual injured in an accident should they still be filming?

Absolutely they should be filming. Even DV victims get raped by the first responding cops sometimes. I bet the victims would have wanted video evidence of the incident to help convict their violator. Or better yet, a rolling video camera would have prevented this in the first place. That's the entire fucking point. Departments that have personal camera policies do 60ish% less bad things to people. HUGE WIN.

Besides, to view these videos, a member of the public would have to file a FOIA request. Wouldn't the FOIA law take into account that the video is of a child rape victim and be denied? If FOIA requests don't take this into account, does there exist a method/mechanism by which to update the law to make it so? Or doesn't there exist some kind of technology to possibly blur the image of the victim and mask their voice? I seem to remember this regularly happening over 20 years ago but maybe that technology has been lost to antiquity.

 

[werepossum]

yep, i believe the places that have cops wearing camera's have reported less instances of complaints against cops, and cops have had better cooperation from citizens. its a win win to me.

This.

 

[child of wonder]

Read an interesting article, http://time.com/3111377/ferguson-police-cameras/. At first glance, seems like a good idea. The tech exists, and if departments can afford bearcats, they can certainly afford cameras. What do you guys think?

100% agree. All officers should be wearing cameras and the footage stored by a 3rd party so the department can't have an "accident" and lose it.

After so long the footage could even be made available via the FOIA.

 

[Rekonn]

Although it's a good idea, the cops that really want to violate their code will always find ways around things to do their bidding's the way they want to rather than care about the well being of the people.

So essentially it will be a nuisance for the cops that do their job right and end up being tampered with by the bad cops to ensure they can fly under the radar.

If someone wants to do something bad enough technology isn't powerful enough to stop their motive to find a way to remain undetected.

They can even "mute" the camera and only record when the suspect does something wrong rather than display the full evidence.

Nope, not a nuisance for the cops that do their job right, it's a huge plus. From the vid below, learned it's common for criminals to file a complaint against their arresting officer. It benefits them at trial when a jury hears that the officer is under investigation. The city of Rialto CA saw their complaints against officers drop 88% after they put the camera system in place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8QNWkqX_dk

It also shows that the systems sold today are designed to prevent editing of the evidence. So, cases where cops do hack it to not display the full evidence should be rare. I agree that it won't stop all bad cops, but hopefully it'll cut down on tragedies like this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUs_6yTcLW4

 

[shortylickens]

If the law didnt prevent civilians from filming them they wouldnt need cameras.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

If the law didnt prevent civilians from filming them they wouldnt need cameras.

The law DOESN'T prevent civilians from filming cops. I hate that people still assume it does.

There is a ton of federal case law built up affirming citizens' rights to film cops. The DOJ has issued numerous letters to departments that don't seem to get this and keep arresting people for filming. Many departments have issues memos and instructions to their members telling them they must allow someone to film them. Not that any of this has stopped cops from arresting people for filming anyways.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

i said the cops should wear two. maybe they can manipulate somthing and hang it out from their hats and have it face them. like below.

This doesn't seem practical or useful. I'd settle for just one camera. This just looks like something that a criminal could grab a hold of during a struggle with a cop and snap the cop's neck. Pass.

 

[shortylickens]

The law DOESN'T prevent civilians from filming cops. I hate that people still assume it does.

There is a ton of federal case law built up affirming citizens' rights to film cops. The DOJ has issued numerous letters to departments that don't seem to get this and keep arresting people for filming. Many departments have issues memos and instructions to their members telling them they must allow someone to film them. Not that any of this has stopped cops from arresting people for filming anyways.

Thanks for agreeing with me.


:awe:

 

[Ancalagon44]

Isn't it ironic when the police tell us to get used to surveillance by telling us that if we are innocent, then we have nothing to fear, but hate it when the same argument is used on them?

All video should be uploaded where it can be monitored in real time not only by the control center but also a board of civilians appointed by the city council. This is to prevent footage getting accidentally deleted.

 

[Thebobo]

Didnt watch fox but CNN Al Jazeera and MSN all had segments on the militarisation of the police and getting all cops to wear cameras. Was nice to see. All Jazeera had a great segment, they are starting to be my go to channel. They are aggressive in getting the story and sometime its gotten them in trouble.