male and female salaries?

[Matthiasa]

I have seen your that graph before. Note how women actually experience a HIGHER increase in wages until age 30. And that the graph has hand little arrow saying

I was pointing out male wages on that one did not mention female ones.
Males are also just as able to take care of children... well ideally nothing is to stop them from raising the kids just that society typically says no.
It was the male wages also stop growing at a certian point, yes I did read the actual graph.
But since you bring it up, if you read the graph it's higher growth while starting lower.

 

[nehalem256]

I was pointing out male wages on that one did not mention female ones.
Males are also just as able to take care of children... well ideally nothing is to stop them from raising the kids just that society typically says no.
It was the male wages also stop growing at a certian point, yes I did read the actual graph.

The truth comes out. The problem is not with companies discriminating. But that men AND WOMEN refuse to act the way you want. See post #50 by me.

Your goal is not to end discrimination, but to force your values on society with force of law.

But since you bring it up, if you read the graph it's higher growth while starting lower.

For some reason people who get degrees in STEM start with a higher salary than those getting degrees in Women's Studies or psychology. I couldnt imagine why

 

[PokerGuy]

Liberals... trying to enforce "equality" that no one even wants

Haven't you learned by now that surely the libs know better than you what you want?

 

[Zargon]

You can think whatever, but absent any actual evidence, the law says "unpaid".


Doesn't sound like the women are too happy who are getting short changed. Or the men who are not getting the equivalent paid paternity leave that women get that you have claimed.

I have mostly worked in government. The only place I know that didnt have PAID maternity leave was becasue there were about 2 real employees and the rest were contractors.

only one place had paid paternity leave, and that was only cops as it was part of their union negotiation

my wife is a teacher, and gets no paid maternity leave, but thats normal for teachers in my area, and abnormal for everywhere else.

For a salaried position working more doesn't equate to making more.

true but false.

come annual review time who looks better, employee a who is at the office 45-50 hours a week or employee b who always does 40 and then dissappears

and when it comes time for raises, who might get one?(anecdocatl sure, but the people in the office late getting work done are also usually the ones good at their job while the ones that dont care are just punching the ol timeclock)

Males are also just as able to take care of children... well ideally nothing is to stop them from raising the kids just that society typically says no.

and ya know, dudes can't breastfeed

 

[Pia]

The most extensive available comparison for gender wage disparity in Finland which tried to eliminate as many other factors as possible, including various benefits, job experience, etc., determined that women are paid 8% more than men are for the same work and level of qualification.

Feminist organizations in Finland keep repeating that women are paid 20% less, based on some older research which doesn't take into account as many factors and finally assumes that all remaining disparity is due to gender.

 

[nehalem256]

The most extensive available comparison for gender wage disparity in Finland which tried to eliminate as many other factors as possible, including various benefits, job experience, etc., determined that women are paid 8% more than men are for the same work and level of qualification.

Feminist organizations in Finland keep repeating that women are paid 20% less, based on some older research which doesn't take into account as many factors and finally assumes that all remaining disparity is due to gender.

funny how this matches up exactly with the number from the NYT's article

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/14/us/14iht-letter14.html

And a study shows that in most U.S. cities, single, childless women under 30 are making an average of 8 percent more money than their male counterparts, with Atlanta and Miami in the lead at 20 percent.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

What would be useful is a comparison between the sexes working in the same field with the same level of training, the same number of year etc. In other words every variable equal.

I've never seen such a thing.

 

[Pia]

What would be useful is a comparison between the sexes working in the same field with the same level of training, the same number of year etc. In other words every variable equal.

I've never seen such a thing.

The research I mentioned which found 8% (in favor of women) as the final result was taking most of those things into account, I believe.

 

[ichy]

Another thing we need to ask (and should ask about more legislation) is even if there is some discrimination, is the legislation that would "fix" this worse than the problem? Considering the number of frivolous lawsuits we are already drowning in in this country I think the answer would be yes.

 

[BoberFett]

BS. For society to thrive, women do need their maternity leave. And it should be LONG.

It is another thing that corporations are sucking us all dry and brainwashed us in the process. Even here some believe everything should be centered around them.

Oh, so you want to keep women in the bedroom where they belong?

 

[nehalem256]

BS. For society to thrive, women do need their maternity leave. And it should be LONG.

It is another thing that corporations are sucking us all dry and brainwashed us in the process. Even here some believe everything should be centered around them.

It sounds like you think women should be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen

 

[piasabird]

The rate at which women quit their job when they get married or preagnant is higher for women than it is for men. Also when children are sick it is usually the woman that has to take off work. This is the real world! Women often change jobs faster also.

 

[alzan]

I'm a safe driver (no tickets or accidents in 6 years) and I still have to pay (much higher) male insurance rates.

When are the Democrats going to correct that inequality?

Oh wait, I'm a white male which means they don't give a shit about me.

There are more factors to your insurance rates then just safe driver or gender.

My wife and I are white, both drive 2002 year cars and are both safe drivers (your definition); she pays 1/3 higher rates for her insurance then I do, the policies are identical in coverage and from the same company.

So the Democrats don't care about her because she's a white female.

 

[nehalem256]

There are more factors to your insurance rates then just safe driver or gender.

My wife and I are white, both drive 2002 year cars and are both safe drivers (your definition); she pays 1/3 higher rates for her insurance then I do, the policies are identical in coverage and from the same company.

So the Democrats don't care about her because she's a white female.

So you let your wife drive the benz while you drive the ford pinto?

EDIT: And actually you seem to be doing a great job of arguing the conservative position. More than just your gender affects your car insurance premium and your salary.

 

[xBiffx]

So you let your wife drive the benz while you drive the ford pinto?

2002 Ford Pinto? Me wanna see.

 

[alzan]

I have mostly worked in government. The only place I know that didnt have PAID maternity leave was becasue there were about 2 real employees and the rest were contractors.

only one place had paid paternity leave, and that was only cops as it was part of their union negotiation

my wife is a teacher, and gets no paid maternity leave, but thats normal for teachers in my area, and abnormal for everywhere else.



true but false.

come annual review time who looks better, employee a who is at the office 45-50 hours a week or employee b who always does 40 and then dissappears

and when it comes time for raises, who might get one?(anecdocatl sure, but the people in the office late getting work done are also usually the ones good at their job while the ones that dont care are just punching the ol timeclock)



and ya know, dudes can't breastfeed

Bold 1: Were they my employees I 'd look at a lot of factors than just time at office. Like were they there catching up on work not completed in 40 hours or "going the extra mile"? Or the employee that's there for a straight 40; were they doing only 40 for other reasons like childcare or care for an elderly relative, going to school to further their education?

Bold 2: See answer to Bold 1

Bold 3: Ever heard of breast pumps & refrigerated storage?

 

[nehalem256]

Bold 1: Were they my employees I 'd look at a lot of factors than just time at office. Like were they there catching up on work not completed in 40 hours or "going the extra mile"? Or the employee that's there for a straight 40; were they doing only 40 for other reasons like childcare or care for an elderly relative, going to school to further their education?

Bold 2: See answer to Bold 1

Bold 3: Ever heard of breast pumps & refrigerated storage?

Companies should pay you based off of your contribution to the company. If you have to leave early for childcare you are contributing less to the company than someone who doesnt.

Equal pay for equal work. Not equal pay for unequal work.

 

[Sonikku]

Well of course they're paid less. They aren't worth half what they're paid such as it is. Lower pay is the systems way of telling them they need to stop playing pretend executive at the office and go home to take care of the kids instead of getting knocked up like crazy and going on maternity leave, filing frivolous sexual harrasment lawsuits after dressing like whores and in general bleeding the job creaters dry.

 

[glenn1]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...1838036.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEFTSecondBucket


Liberals... trying to enforce "equality" that no one even wants

Even Democrats are discriminating against women and paying them less; 37 of the 50 democratic Senators pay women less as well as the Obama administration. Even Nancy Pelosi doesn't deny it, excuses away Senators who do it by saying "the senate is a different world."

http://freebeacon.com/senate-dems-betray-lilly/

http://news.yahoo.com/pelosi-gives-senate-democrats-pay-women-less-pass-182037278.html

 

[piasabird]

I knew an IT guy on paternity leave, but he (his wife) had twins. He was also on-call in case he was needed.

 

[alzan]

So you let your wife drive the benz while you drive the ford pinto?

EDIT: And actually you seem to be doing a great job of arguing the conservative position. More than just your gender affects your car insurance premium and your salary.

Actually mines a Saturn SL and hers is a Honda Civic.

I wasn't arguing or delineating a political position; merely pointing out to schneiderguy that it's more than driving record or gender that determines your insurance rate.

But I guess that whizzed by your head as well.

Poor attempt at moving the goalpost

 

[alzan]

Companies should pay you based off of your contribution to the company. If you have to leave early for childcare you are contributing less to the company than someone who doesnt.

Equal pay for equal work. Not equal pay for unequal work.

If you, as an employer, want to limit yourself as far as who you will hire for a particular position go for it.

As an employer I'd want to avail myself of all qualified candidates regardless of their gender. And if I hired them and they were a valued and worthwhile employee in all respects; then had a life-changing occurrence (such as pregnancy, taking care of an infirm family member or wanting to improve themselves by furthering their education), I'd want to support them and do what I could to help to insure that once the situation lessened or resolved that I would once again have a valued employee working for me.

 

[nehalem256]

If you, as an employer, want to limit yourself as far as who you will hire for a particular position go for it.

As an employer I'd want to avail myself of all qualified candidates regardless of their gender. And if I hired them and they were a valued and worthwhile employee in all respects; then had a life-changing occurrence (such as pregnancy, taking care of an infirm family member or wanting to improve themselves by furthering their education), I'd want to support them and do what I could to help to insure that once the situation lessened or resolved that I would once again have a valued employee working for me.

And you can still do that. It doesnt change the fact that if you take large amounts of time off work you are contributing less. If you reward these people the same as those who contribute more. Why work more?

But thank you for proving my point. Liberals support equal pay for unequal work.

 

[sonicdrummer20]

Why should companies be forced to equally compensate employees who don't contribute equally?

IMO for society to thrive women should be at home raising the kids, not in the workforce. But that makes me a sexist chauvinist pig, so what do I know.

Wow! and I thought I was the only one who thought this way. Amazing!

 

[Carmen813]

Companies should pay you based off of your contribution to the company. If you have to leave early for childcare you are contributing less to the company than someone who doesnt.

Equal pay for equal work. Not equal pay for unequal work.

Unless of course the person taking care of their children are happier, and thus more productive than the person burning themselves out by working too much and not leading a balanced lifestyle. Over the long term that will likely lead the company to increased costs for a variety of reasons.

The world is never as simple as we try to make it. Working longer does not mean working better.