Man .... those G5s

[MercenaryForHire]

Folks, come on.

At least wipe after you crap all over this thread.

- M4H

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Folks, come on.

At least wipe after you crap all over this thread.

- M4H

 

[nxh]

I am in awe. I never owned an Apple but I have to say they make the most elegant looking computers on this planet!

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: nxh
I am in awe. I never owned an Apple but I have to say they make the most elegant looking computers on this planet!

Mmm, sleek, smooth, curvaceous ...

If I were a computer, I'd hit it.

- M4H

 

[dexvx]

I'm sorry, but G5 onboard audio != Audigy2.

Maybe at the level of an nForce2 with SoundStorm, but thats about it. The Audigy2 has consistently proven to be the best gaming sound card and one of the best quality sound cards in its class. Moreover, the Platinum edition has the external drive that has a crapload of connections that the G5 does not.

 

[sharkeeper]

Ahem

-DAK-

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Pariah
The Apple system has some crappy onboard audio, the Mach V system has onboard audio as well with the Asus board. Why did you include a $302 sound card with the Mach V? Again, the Mach V comes standard with a 3 year warranty. Add another $249 to the Apple system for the Apple Care. Because the Intel system is single CPU, it doesn't require that the application be SMP capable. We all know most applications aren't. In more cases than not the Intel system will be faster. The Sony burner on the Falcon system is dual format while the Apple is DVD-R/RW only. You can also save $43 going with a more conservative 350W PS which is still more than enough for that system.

Apple G5 - $3519
Falcon - $3022

your comparing a single cpu system with a dual cpu system? are you daft? all that needs to be smp capable is the os for a decent boost already. last time i checked most of us are multitaskers. and then when you get a smp app, it cleans up.

so far the arguements i've seen are for gaming. pretty sad

 

[edmundoab]

gotta say they got a more organized way of placing components in the casing..

but IBM PC still rulez

 

[Pariah]

your comparing a single cpu system with a dual cpu system? are you daft? all that needs to be smp capable is the os for a decent boost already. last time i checked most of us are multitaskers. and then when you get a smp app, it cleans up.

Before going after me, read the thread. I didn't come up with that comparison, the "Apple people" in this thread did. The comparison was top end to top end. Whether one is SMP or not is irrelevant when the goal is fastest system for a price. If AMD could figure out how to make a monkey in a cardboard box with an abacus perform better than the 2 above systems and keep it in the price range it would be just as valid a candidate. Topend P4's also have HT which can provide some of the same benefits of SMP.

 

[dexvx]

If you want to go the Dual Xeon route, then be my guest.

Dell Precision 450
Dual 2.4 Ghz Xeons
4x 256MB PC2700 DDR
ATI Fire GL X1 128MB
36GB U320 10K RPM SCSI
Adaptec PCI-X U320 RAID 0 Controller
4X DVD+RW with 16X DVD-ROM
Windows XP Pro
USB Optical Mouse + Keyboard
3 Year Warranty

$2902

But then again, we're comparing a PC ready to ship with something thats currently unavailable right now. Go down the road about a month or 2, and it can only get better.

 

[jb60606]

When a computer manufacturer makes their own proprietary motherboards and cases, you can do this. You can build a case specificaly engineered for your motherboard.

I'm not going to give up my "sloppy" PC of which all parts are interchangeable and upgradable for a "neat" $3,000 Macintosh that I'll probably replace as a whole within one to two years... and probably with a PC.

Sooner or later, a bigtime PC manufacturer will catch on and build some PC cases that "define" our trendy style. Until then, we're stuck customizing our own. I personaly enjoy customizing my computers.

I wouldn't be suprised if Apple spends more money annually on computer chassis R&D than they do on those pesky little things called "innovation".


Besides...MAC is just setting the stage. It won't be long till our beloved case manufacturers build clones that we can purchase for a fraction of the price MAC users payed.

 

[secretanchitman]

i hate macs, period...even though people/MAC says that the G5 is faster than the latest P4, it really isnt. The new P4 3.2 is faster, so i've heard...

 

[Erasmus-X]

Everyone's beating a dead horse with this whole P4 vs. G5 debate. Sadly, this debate tends to be centered on gaming. All I can say about that is that there is a huge world beyond sitting at a LAN party fragging your buddies in Counterstrike.

I own and actively use both of these platforms. My desktop is a custom-built Athlon XP and my laptop is a PowerBook G4. I think by owning both platforms I am able to even out the balance between my work and play. As far as play goes, there is absolutely no question that the PC is the ideal platform. It has support from every major game developer, there's never a problem replacing and upgrading hardware, etc...the list goes on. Macs are indeed a lot more limited in that respect -- even though their newer hardware is for the most part based on open industry standards.

I used to do everything on the PC. Heck, I grew up using PCs; the first PC I ever purchased was an anemic 386SX 16 MHz back in 1990 or so that ran an old version of DOS and Windows 3.0! Now after over a decade of owning PCs, I decided to purchase my first laptop machine because I began to find the dire need to be able to take my work with me (read: I rarely play games on my Mac; that's really not what I bought it for). I looked at both the PC and the Mac platform. For my uses -- writing, video editing, and other forms of digital media, the Mac seemed to make the most sense for me. I totally dig Final Cut (the interface is clean and it doesn't give me near as many silly problems as Premiere always has) and OS X is an utterly beautiful environment. Apple's Safari has everything I've ever wanted in a web browser plus more. iTunes has a better, more intuitive interface than most PC media players that you have to pay money for! The final thing that sold me is that my PowerBook G4 manages to pack all this versatility in a sleek unit that weighs just over 5 pounds. Most of the similarly equipped PC laptops I looked at couldn't accomplish this without weighing over 7 or 8 pounds.

The point I'm trying to make here is that the fastest computers on the market aren't always the best ones. The decision you make in regards to which platform you want to stick with is largely relative to what type of work/play environments you're going to be exposing yourself to. For me on the road, the Mac does everything I want it to do, the way I want it to be done -- without any headaches.

There is no doubt that Apple computers are expensive. They always have been. They compete in a market that's saturated with PCs that have highly competitive prices. Apple controls 9% of the personal computer market share and there are no commercially-available "Mac OS-compatible" machines to compete with that. Because of that, Macs will remain expensive in comparison to PC. I certainly didn't enjoy forking over close to $3,000 for a laptop, but it was what I wanted...

- Nick

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: dexvx
Hire a professional case-modder (ie GideonTech people), and pay them $500 to mod a base case (say Lian-Li PC6xxx series). Spend $2500 on a high powered Pentium 4-C or Dual Xeon. There we go.

you funny. the g5 has 3 temperature zones, each with its own temperature sensors. the o/s can control the fans too by anticipating activity that will heat up a certain zone and starting cooling early. no simple case mod at all.

9 fans in a 35~(from memory)db system

you just have to admit defeat one this one. sweet cooling system, harddrives in the back to lower noise. 64 bit computing first, etc. no fanboy religious blindness.

64-bit computing first, eh?

 

[mchammer187]

it looks pretty good but with a $3000 budget I could do a lot better

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: dexvx
Hire a professional case-modder (ie GideonTech people), and pay them $500 to mod a base case (say Lian-Li PC6xxx series). Spend $2500 on a high powered Pentium 4-C or Dual Xeon. There we go.

you funny. the g5 has 3 temperature zones, each with its own temperature sensors. the o/s can control the fans too by anticipating activity that will heat up a certain zone and starting cooling early. no simple case mod at all.

9 fans in a 35~(from memory)db system

you just have to admit defeat one this one. sweet cooling system, harddrives in the back to lower noise. 64 bit computing first, etc. no fanboy religious blindness.

You just made yourself look stupid.

1) No technical benefit of "3 temperature zones" except for PR purposes. And FYI, every PC has inherent temperature zones, from the HDD, to CPU, to case. If the OS has to be the one controlling the fans. One could wonder if a malicious coder could do if he could write a program to gain access to said fans.

2) 35 dBA? Do you have any idea how loud that is? Panaflo L1A is 21 dBA. Your system is emits over 2^3 times the sound pressure as a L1A. It is well over twice as loud. FYI, my 1U Rackmount system is has 34 dBA fans. And anyone with half a clue knows how loud 1U systems are. For reference, a Dell Dimension system operates at approximately 17 dBA.

3) First 64bit computing? Hardly. The initial release of MacOS dont even support 64bit, as claimed by the CEO of Apple himself. The first 64bit systems marketted for home use were the DEC Alphas back in 1997. They failed.

4) Fanboy religious zeal is what allows Apple to charge a ridiculous amount of money for their proprietary goods. Although a lot has changed in the recent years with standardized equipment, its still a long shot from PC's.

5) They are not even available. Apple has a notorious track record of fluffing system specs well before the launch date. We're comparing current generation systems to something that isnt out yet.

 

[Samsonid]

Originally posted by: mchammer187
it looks pretty good but with a $3000 budget I could do a lot better

By all means ... please do tell.

 

[Samsonid]

Ok, a computer is an excessively complex system.
Arguing about price/quality/performance can go on aimlessly forever.

Lets simplify things quite a bit... and use the following test:
If you cannot tell/understand/justify the difference between
a)This and this
b) from this

then you probably should *not* be contributing to this thread.

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[BoberFett]

What do those have to do with Macs? I'm pretty sure that posting links to carabiners means YOU shouldn't be contributing to this thread.

Maybe you think the difference between a Mac and PC is that one is toy and the other is for pros?

Or are you just trying to convince us that you're cool because you're a climber? I can't tell what your point is.

 

[Samsonid]

Originally posted by: BoberFett......? I can't tell what your point is.

Then please be considerate and do not contribute to this thread.

If you can't tell the technical/price/quality/performance/application difference on something as simple as the affore mentioned spring-links then it is likely that your comments on a highly complex system (such as a PC) will be a cause for flame wars and frustrations.

--

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: Samsonid

Originally posted by: mchammer187
it looks pretty good but with a $3000 budget I could do a lot better

By all means ... please do tell.

Antec Plus 1080AMG/430 true power 117
Gigabyte 8KNXP 213
P4 3.2 640
2x512 Corsair XMS 3500 350
All in Wonder 9800 PRO 389
2 WD 250Gb SATA drives 620
Samsung 352 Combo DVD/CDRW 69.99
NEC 4X DVD+/- RW 165
Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Platinum 167
US Robotics V.92 Modem 36
XP professional 143
Cordless MX Duo 78
-----------------------------------------------------------------TOTAL= $2987

For this same price from Apple you get

1 160Gb SATA drive
ATI 9600 Pro
512Mb RAM
Standard Keyboard

You don't get the

The 340Gb of extra storage
The Media Center capabilities of the 9800AIW
The ability to burn CDs at the speed of the Samsung combo
The ability to burn in both DVD formats
Awesome cordless keyboard mouse
Probably the best sound available

To be fair you can add a 9800 pro, 2 250GB SATA drives, and bump to 1gig of RAM for an additional
$562

Some Items were added to increase the price of the P4 system like the 8KNXP and better performance may be available in cheaper components.

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by: Samsonid

Originally posted by: mchammer187
it looks pretty good but with a $3000 budget I could do a lot better

By all means ... please do tell.

Lian-Li PC-7 -> $96
Antec TruPower 480W -> $87
AMD Athlon MP 2800+ x 2 -> $494
MSI K7D Master -> $188
1.5GB Crucial Buffered/Registered (3x512MB) -> $354
ATi 9800 Pro -> $389
Audigy 2 Platinum -> $167
Tekram DC-390U3W -> $165
Fujitsu MAS3184NP (18GB 15k) -> $187
WD WD2000JB -> $176
Plextor PX-708A (8x DVD+R, 4x DVD-R) -> $260
Intel PRO/1000 MT Server Adapter (PCI-X gigabit LAN) -> $102
Firewire 800 card -> $70
US Robotics V.92 Modem -> $36
Logitech Cordless MX Duo -> $78
XP Pro -> $143

Total -> $2992

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Samsonid

Originally posted by: BoberFett......? I can't tell what your point is.

Then please be considerate and do not contribute to this thread.

If you can't tell the technical/price/quality/performance/application difference on something as simple as the affore mentioned spring-links then it is likely that your comments on a highly complex system (such as a PC) will be a cause for flame wars and frustrations.

--

Do you have any idea how stupid you look right now?

 

[nycdude]

Originally posted by: OddTSi
Wait, you mean we're supposed to buy computers based upon how they look INSIDE a non-windowed case? Damn, here I was all these years buying computers based upon how fast/stable they run the programs I use on a regular basis. I guess I better call the Queer Eye for the Straight Guy guys and have them queer me up.

LMAO

 

[0roo0roo]

1) No technical benefit of "3 temperature zones" except for PR purposes. And FYI, every PC has inherent temperature zones, from the HDD, to CPU, to case. If the OS has to be the one controlling the fans. One could wonder if a malicious coder could do if he could write a program to gain access to said fans.

pcs have inherent temp zones, but no dividers to channel air flow to each. pc's also have primitive software fan control, yet aren't quaking in their boots about malicious coders

2) 35 dBA? Do you have any idea how loud that is? Panaflo L1A is 21 dBA. Your system is emits over 2^3 times the sound pressure as a L1A. It is well over twice as loud. FYI, my 1U Rackmount system is has 34 dBA fans. And anyone with half a clue knows how loud 1U systems are. For reference, a Dell Dimension system operates at approximately 17 dBA.

dba ratings are varied by how the company measures it. i trust apples concept of quiet is reasonable. i've had coolermaster heatsinks rated for 25db that sound louder then my 20db vantec stealths. and my vantec stealths at 20db are slightly louder then 21db panaflos. the ratings are at best a general guide.

3) First 64bit computing? Hardly. The initial release of MacOS dont even support 64bit, as claimed by the CEO of Apple himself. The first 64bit systems marketted for home use were the DEC Alphas back in 1997. They failed.

bonus capability isn't nothing to be pissed upon, esp when its built in. having the extra ram capability is useful now for graphics and video editing.

4) Fanboy religious zeal is what allows Apple to charge a ridiculous amount of money for their proprietary goods. Although a lot has changed in the recent years with standardized equipment, its still a long shot from PC's.

fanboy religious zeal must be what keeps alienware and falcon going eh?

frankly i like competition.

the pc market has to be pushed to do things.