This was fun to argue until you tried the what if alleged thief drove nearly the same truck in the same color which had the same key and thus started the wrong truck so realizing his mistake went back and parked in the wrong parking lot and sat in the truck. Now you're just trolling me.I didn't say that, did I? Just because there is a possible different reasoning behind the person's actions, different possible scenarios of why this happened, doesn't mean I am advocating anything. I am just not looking at this with blinders on, jumping to conclusions based on assumptions. What you are advocating is you believe the only person who has any rights, is the owner of the truck.. Nobody else has any rights beyond the owner's actions, specially the guy sitting the seat of his truck.. that guy doesn't even have the right to live and prove his case, or defend his actions. Because a truck, that you keep trying to argue is more important than life..
What if the guy in the seat of the truck, was innocent of any wrong doing other than sitting behind the wheel of the owners truck? do you believe stand your ground would apply, or does that innocent man have no rights? Now, I'm not advocating for the stand your ground, but it is a possibility if he indeed is innocent. We really don't know if he was innocent or not.. because nobody knows all the details of exactly what took place. We don't even know what was said between the owner of the truck and the "suspected" car thief where, other than what the owner claims, which is seldom accurate in such situation. Those details may or may not come out as time goes on.. we will see.. But I am not going to just assume that he in guilty of stealing anything until I know all of the facts. You whole position about "if it was my truck" shows you would be reactionary running on emotion, based on the conclusion that he's in my truck, he's guilty.. fuck em..
I already posted what happened to me when my car was "stolen", and I know if it played out like it did in this situation, that an innocent man would have been dead... thank god it didn't...
Nope, I just gave you an example that happened to a friend a couple years ago in a Walmart parking lot with his Subaru. In his case, they where parked right next to each other, he got in the wrong one, started it up, and was about to back out when he looked back and saw a kids seat.. he doesn't have kids.. It was almost was possible with my previous car and another car as well. It was parked across the street, as our remotes could control each other's vehicle. (unlock/lock doors, arm/disarm, etc) The keys didn't work in that situation however. My dad had a ford truck, that any key would work in it if it was worn down enough. It happens, more often than people realize.This was fun to argue until you tried the what if alleged thief drove nearly the same truck in the same color which had the same key and thus started the wrong truck so realizing his mistake went back and parked in the wrong parking lot and sat in the truck. Now you're just trolling me.
I do not think the guilt or innocence of the dead man is the important issue. What I see is that how we value the life itself reflects on how we value our own and will reflect eventually in society how it values us. To kill over a possession is to announce to the world that one feels worthless. I hope you can see this. It is why we were warned not to judge. How we judge others is how we will be judged because it is a reflection of how we were judged long ago. Had we not been judged we would not judge. The original sin is belief that sin is real.Nope, I just gave you an example that happened to a friend a couple years ago in a Walmart parking lot with his Subaru. In his case, they where parked right next to each other, he got in the wrong one, started it up, and was about to back out when he looked back and saw a kids seat.. he doesn't have kids.. It was almost was possible with my previous car and another car as well. It was parked across the street, as our remotes could control each other's vehicle. (unlock/lock doors, arm/disarm, etc) The keys didn't work in that situation however. My dad had a ford truck, that any key would work in it if it was worn down enough. It happens, more often than people realize.
But even today with all the technology, Car keys/fobs/chips are not always unique to one vehicle. it's a painful reality, and one of many plausible scenarios, specially with the truck in this situation, as it looks to be a white, plain jane, double cab, 10 to 15 year old ford truck.
Ironically that can happen, happened to a friend of the family, accidentally stole a van that was identical to her own, including the fob and key.So the alleged thief's truck uses the same key as the stolen truck? This is the hill you want to die on?
Nope, I just gave you an example that happened to a friend a couple years ago in a Walmart parking lot with his Subaru. In his case, they where parked right next to each other, he got in the wrong one, started it up, and was about to back out when he looked back and saw a kids seat.. he doesn't have kids.. It was almost was possible with my previous car and another car as well. It was parked across the street, as our remotes could control each other's vehicle. (unlock/lock doors, arm/disarm, etc) The keys didn't work in that situation however. My dad had a ford truck, that any key would work in it if it was worn down enough. It happens, more often than people realize.
But even today with all the technology, Car keys/fobs/chips are not always unique to one vehicle. it's a painful reality, and one of many plausible scenarios, specially with the truck in this situation, as it looks to be a white, plain jane, double cab, 10 to 15 year old ford truck.
And that's not what happened here. Otherwise the brother of the alleged thief would have said so when he was complaining to the press that his brother didn't deserve to die for shooting the rightful owner of the truck. There is no way his brother would leave that part out if his brother drove a white truck that could be easily mistaken for the one he stole.Ironically that can happen, happened to a friend of the family, accidentally stole a van that was identical to her own, including the fob and key.
Its okay man, we know you value a pile of plastic and metal over a life.And that's not what happened here. Otherwise the brother of the alleged thief would have said so when he was complaining to the press that his brother didn't deserve to die for shooting the rightful owner of the truck. There is no way his brother would leave that part out if his brother drove a white truck that could be easily mistaken for the one he stole.
You have no fucking idea what his brother knows/doesn't know or what he would remember to say while under distress of losing his brother.. You are not him, you have no idea how cloudy his brain was, is, or might of been during that interview. But really it has no relevance because you are trying to support the outcome with details that have been learned AFTER the shooting, and where not know at the time of the shooting, that is really the biggest issue with your attempts to defend your position. Where as I am giving examples of scenarios that could have been in play from the start and the owner had NO way of knowing.And that's not what happened here. Otherwise the brother of the alleged thief would have said so when he was complaining to the press that his brother didn't deserve to die for shooting the rightful owner of the truck. There is no way his brother would leave that part out if his brother drove a white truck that could be easily mistaken for the one he stole.
Yup we’re still missing (and unfortunately doubt this info will ever get released) how he tracked his truck elsewhere in the mall. But how does On Star work? You call them and they’ll tell you where your car is? And one would think on star would only provide location to police and not the owner to avoid this exact situation.
I sure do. I definitely value my "stuff" much more than I do the life of a fckn thief.Its okay man, we know you value a pile of plastic and metal over a life.
We know.I sure do. I definitely value my "stuff" much more than I do the life of a fckn thief.
Yes I do over the life of an attempted murderer.Its okay man, we know you value a pile of plastic and metal over a life.
The details aren't all that clear. The idea the thief thought it was his truck and did nothing wrong taking it is almost certainly false. His family didn't try to argue he was innocent of stealing the truck.You have no fucking idea what his brother knows/doesn't know or what he would remember to say while under distress of losing his brother.. You are not him, you have no idea how cloudy his brain was, is, or might of been during that interview.
If the details of what took place are so clear, why are there major discrepancies between news outlets of what happened?
He brought a gun to get his vehicle back, then pulled it on them. By 2A judgement the thief was within his rights to shoot the guy, unless you're ready to legalize killing thieves on sight. The worst other countries do is just cut their hands off.Yes I do over the life of an attempted murderer.
It's less plausible than suggesting that the owner didn't shoot the thief at all, just claimed he did to look macho but instead, a lightning bolt came down from the sky and struck the trigger causing the gun to fire.My dad had a ford truck, that any key would work in it if it was worn down enough. It happens, more often than people realize.
But even today with all the technology, Car keys/fobs/chips are not always unique to one vehicle. it's a painful reality, and one of many plausible scenarios, specially with the truck in this situation, as it looks to be a white, plain jane, double cab, 10 to 15 year old ford truck.
Wait.. the details are not all that clear.. yet you have already made a deamination of the dead man's guilt. And now you have went from his brother didn't say something, to his family didn't' say or argue something... I don't think you understand the traumatic effect losing someone you love, in this manner effects someone. They aren't thinking about the truck, or if he did or didn't steal it.. All they can think about is that their son, brother, what ever is dead. They aren't thinking about why it happened.. they are barely being able to comprehend that it happened at all.. it's called shock! Your brain doesn't work right when traumatic shit happens. Specially if it's unexpected.The details aren't all that clear. The idea the thief thought it was his truck and did nothing wrong taking it is almost certainly false. His family didn't try to argue he was innocent of stealing the truck.
“Clearly then if I steal your truck and you catch me in the act the law of self defense justifies my attempting to kill you first. My life is more valuable than yours so justice is on my side.”Yes I do over the life of an attempted murderer.
All should bear in mind Treyvon Martin and Zimmerman wrt this. It's close enough to treat the situations identically.“Clearly then if I steal your truck and you catch me in the act the law of self defense justifies my attempting to kill you first. My life is more valuable than yours so justice is on my side.”
This is how you think.
You might as well try to argue that nobody can get hit by lightening because of the odds... Just because it's unlikely doesn't mean it can't happened.. The Subaru my friend had, was a 2010... so please, don't tell me it can't happen, my car that it came close to happening to was a 2005, the key wouldn't turn in the ignition, so we don't know if the micro chip would have prevented it or not.It's less plausible than suggesting that the owner didn't shoot the thief at all, just claimed he did to look macho but instead, a lightning bolt came down from the sky and struck the trigger causing the gun to fire.
Ford trucks of that era, had PATS security for a decade already, microchips in the keys or fobs, and the same generation, same color, parked nearly same place, at the same time,, using same key chip allowing it to start, same key code (or perfectly worn cylinder) as well, and all the rest of the interior including color similar enough to not notice... It's less than a one in a quadrillian chance.
It's even more plausible that the female passenger stole the truck, and lured the male accused of being the thief, into the vehicle for a free blow job. Obviously she wouldn't tell the police that, now that she has a deceased fall guy. That's just how unlikely your argument is.
Yeah no, that's ridiculous unless you think I'm saying the owner of the truck should have walked up and just started shooting immediately.“Clearly then if I steal your truck and you catch me in the act the law of self defense justifies my attempting to kill you first. My life is more valuable than yours so justice is on my side.”
This is how you think.
LOL Zimmerman physically assaulted Martin and then pulled his gun because he was getting his ass kicked in the fight he started.All should bear in mind Treyvon Martin and Zimmerman wrt this. It's close enough to treat the situations identically.
First rules of firearm control, don't point at something you don't intent to shoot, don't put your finger on the trigger until you intend to pull the trigger. Even as a thief, he was within his rights to defend himself if someone pointed a firearm at him and he felt his life was threatened.Yeah no, that's ridiculous unless you think I'm saying the owner of the truck should have walked up and just started shooting immediately.
And this silly fuck pulled a gun on someone he believed was a criminal and got fucking shot, then killed the guy and injured his innocent girlfriend. Tell me the difference?LOL Zimmerman physically assaulted Martin and then pulled his gun because he was getting his ass kicked in the fight he started.
It's not that simple. Using a gun as a threat to get your vehicle back, still leaves the option of not using it, which seems the intended goal since the owner didn't shoot the thief right away which is always the move to make if you intend to shoot an armed person, rather than waiting to see if they will draw and fire.Its okay man, we know you value a pile of plastic and metal over a life.
It's really pointless for us to continue arguing with him.. he's already admitted that the details are not clear, yet he has already made the deamination that he guy was guilty and deserved it.First rules of firearm control, don't point at something you don't intent to shoot, don't put your finger on the trigger until you intend to pull the trigger. Even as a thief, he was within his rights to defend himself if someone pointed a firearm at him and he felt his life was threatened.