Mandatory military serving?

[SlowSS]

Originally posted by: Ylen13

will this law pass constitutional test? Wont it violate freedom of choices??

Honestly, I just can't see this "Mandatory Military Service" hoopla going anywhere so I won't even worry about it.

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot

Originally posted by: dparker
We would have a big ass military. Who would pay for all of this?

If we don't get this economy jump started, the only jobs available will be military. Bush is turning us into the same as a No. Korea, with a failing economy and a military war machine as the only way to put beans on the table.

He made a poor choice making his "Axis of Evil" statement, in public, to garner support from his constituants. He has no tact and zero foreign policy diplomacy education. He is hell bent to get a war started with everones children fighting but his own (just as his Daddy did for him during Viet Nam war).

What ever happened to going after terrorism, the people that attacked our country? What a dismal failure that has been. Its all shifted to Bush picking a fight with his Daddy's lost oppurtunity for greatness. Pathetic.

If he is going to do it, put up or shut up. This war shouldn't be for ratings at the polls, or re-election fodder. It should have been handled by the military with a need to know basis only and at a time that 3as suitable for a win win ending. This has been the most botched up attempt at getting things done I have ever seen. Politics have no place in miltary planning, and a politician should not be Commander in Chief.

If he starts one more flair up on this planet, we arent going to be able to contain the wrath of the world at large. If we go to war with Iraq, it had better be blaintly obvious that we are in the right, that no other alternative exists , and we or our allies are in eminate danger; otherwise history will show this as Bush's private war against the guy that laughed at his Daddy's face.

(Trust me, I want Saddam ousted and wasted, and Iraq to have a peace that we enjoy, same as I want for Afghanistan and North Korea. Anything that doesn't resemble a democracy with freedom of choice and peace and prosperity for all is an anaptha to me, but somewhere along the line we have lost focus on Osama, and that is very disturbing.)

Complete BS. The US is quite a long ways off to be compared to N. Korea economically. And as far as I know we're still going after Al Qaida and their ilk; it's just you and the news agencies that have lost interest. It's always been said it would take a great deal of time and be an ongoing effort and that you won't see results on a day-to-day basis being reported. Sorry it's not all wrapped up in a week for you and you can't handle the idea of multi-tasking in the region.

And what war with Iraq are you talking about? As far as I can tell we're not going to war. I see a lot of movement and positioning and threatening stances but I also see Saddam caving in from the pressure so far, which is exactly what we wanted: to get the inspections going again and get his ass on track with what was committed to after the Gulf war.

And I'm sorry but Bush isn't starting anything although you would like to make it out that way. Saddam made his own bed and it's about time he lies down in it; the N. Koreans are just playing a blackmail game to cash in their nuclear wildcard and create dissent, trying to keep their people's minds off of how hungry they are and focused on hating the US instead.

 

[JellyBaby]

And I'm sorry but Bush isn't starting anything although you would like to make it out that way.

IIFC the week after Bush's inauguration activitity in the No Fly zones increased dramatically. Was it Bush ordering aggression or Saddum responding to a New Bush? That I couldn't say.

 

[SlowSS]

Originally posted by: JellyBaby

And I'm sorry but Bush isn't starting anything although you would like to make it out that way.

IIFC the week after Bush's inauguration activitity in the No Fly zones increased dramatically. Was it Bush ordering aggression or Saddum responding to a New Bush? That I couldn't say.

Can you quantify "dramatically increased activitity"? Like what was the average sorties before and after Bush?

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: JellyBaby

And I'm sorry but Bush isn't starting anything although you would like to make it out that way.

IIFC the week after Bush's inauguration activitity in the No Fly zones increased dramatically. Was it Bush ordering aggression or Saddum responding to a New Bush? That I couldn't say.

Or was it increased activity that was overdue? Honestly, I couldn't really say either because I don't have any information about that or what may have led to an increase in activity. In any case, you cannot argue that activity concerning Iraq has not stepped up dramatically in recent months. And I have no complaints about that as I think it's getting the job we want done and I still think we're not going to war unless Saddam gets belligerently stupid.

 

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal

Originally posted by: KokomoGST
Well, if it happened I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't be eligible because the USA is becoming the land of the fat people...

But if it were mandatory, wouldn't that mean harsh consequences like either getting in shape and ship out, or go to jail and be Bubba's new friend?

Anything to get rid of fat people

Germany has this. There's an alternative to volunteer in the medical field instead. I think it's a terrible idea.

 

[JellyBaby]

Can you quantify "dramatically increased activitity"? Like what was the average sorties before and after Bush?

Those were the words I remember CNN using. I have no numbers on sorties.

Or was it increased activity that was overdue? Honestly, I couldn't really say either because I don't have any information about that or what may have led to an increase in activity.

They've learned to keep the media on a leash (and lets face it the media don't exactly holler much about it) so it's hard to get anything solid on modern day military activity.

 

[woodie1]

I just love it when anyone @ ATOT mentions the draft or any from of mandatory military service.

What a bunch of wusses.

 

[IGBT]

Why not?? Boot camp would do some of the fast food tubbies a lot of good. And something to do for the mindless minions sitting around watching TV.

 

[Ylen13]

Originally posted by: IGBT
Why not?? Boot camp would do some of the fast food tubbies a lot of good. And something to do for the mindless minions sitting around watching TV.

ye,ye,ye but don't forget those minors and fat people will be sueing saying they right of freedom of choise is being violated Plus im sure aclu would love to represent them.

 

[joeryu]

i am all for mandatory military serving, something like 2 years.

 

[SlowSS]

Originally posted by: JellyBaby

Can you quantify "dramatically increased activitity"? Like what was the average sorties before and after Bush?

Those were the words I remember CNN using. I have no numbers on sorties.

Interesting how you could only remember "dramatically increased activitity" but not the cause of increased activities,
maybe it was because Iraqis were taking potshots at our aircraft in the "No Fly Zone" and we responded to their action.

Originally posted by: JellyBabyThey've learned to keep the media on a leash (and lets face it the media don't exactly holler much about it) so it's hard to get anything solid on modern day military activity.

What is your basis of this claim? Media actually have more access to our military activities more than ever.
During Gulf War, we actually have media peeps all over our Aircraft Carrier documenting every sorties we flew.
And it was same on the ground.
So if you have factual data to support your claim, enlighten us.

 

[HappyPuppy]

Originally posted by: woodie1
I just love it when anyone @ ATOT mentions the draft or any from of mandatory military service.

What a bunch of wusses.

Yup, yup, yup. Wusses, pansies and self-centered little pricks. They all think they are too good or too important. Life will teach them all a lesson, eventually.

 

[Darein]

He says in the article that no congressman's child goes to war, and wants them to realize how bad war can be. So why would mandatory service show them that? Their kids would be in rear jobs or something else. I am prime time age for it, and don't want to do it. As I have said before, I think I can better serve my country by finishing my college education and using knowledge to serve.

 

[HappyPuppy]

Originally posted by: Darein
He says in the article that no congressman's child goes to war, and wants them to realize how bad war can be. So why would mandatory service show them that? Their kids would be in rear jobs or something else. I am prime time age for it, and don't want to do it. As I have said before, I think I can better serve my country by finishing my college education and using knowledge to serve.

It appears that an awful lot of you think you can better serve your country by staying out of harm's way. Interesting.

 

[KokomoGST]

Well, coming from Taiwan where there is mandatory service, listening to all the stories of people in my family back there... it's not the most enjoyable thing. But for Taiwan... it's a neccessity to protect the freedom they enjoy.

I think although it is prolly a good idea in theory (get rid of the PE-hating fatties) I don't think it'd be possible to do correctly with such a large nation. I can see it being added if our nation really needs it. Especially if done right, it would add character to a lot of people sorely missing it. Prolly make some people not take our freedoms for granted so much. Even after 9/11 I think people are no different in that respect.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: KokomoGST
Well, coming from Taiwan where there is mandatory service, listening to all the stories of people in my family back there... it's not the most enjoyable thing. But for Taiwan... it's a neccessity to protect the freedom they enjoy.

I think although it is prolly a good idea in theory (get rid of the PE-hating fatties) I don't think it'd be possible to do correctly with such a large nation. I can see it being added if our nation really needs it. Especially if done right, it would add character to a lot of people sorely missing it. Prolly make some people not take our freedoms for granted so much. Even after 9/11 I think people are no different in that respect.

It would be difficult for a large country as the size of our military would ballon. However, it probably could be done if we left the default manditory service be 3 to 6 months. This would let the complainers out easily and allow the military to pick and choose who it would really like to recruit for longer term service.

 

[SlowSS]

Originally posted by: Darein
I am prime time age for it, and don't want to do it. As I have said before, I think I can better serve my country by finishing my college education and using knowledge to serve.

And what is it that you intend to serve?

 

[HappyPuppy]

Originally posted by: SlowSS

Originally posted by: Darein
I am prime time age for it, and don't want to do it. As I have said before, I think I can better serve my country by finishing my college education and using knowledge to serve.

And what is it that you intend to serve?

Excellent question.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: Darein
He says in the article that no congressman's child goes to war, and wants them to realize how bad war can be. So why would mandatory service show them that? Their kids would be in rear jobs or something else. I am prime time age for it, and don't want to do it. As I have said before, I think I can better serve my country by finishing my college education and using knowledge to serve.

It appears that an awful lot of you think you can better serve your country by staying out of harm's way. Interesting.

Yeah, who needs doctors, lawyers, policemen, firemen, mechanics, computer techs or people doing any other civilian job when there's a war to be faught?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: Darein
He says in the article that no congressman's child goes to war, and wants them to realize how bad war can be. So why would mandatory service show them that? Their kids would be in rear jobs or something else. I am prime time age for it, and don't want to do it. As I have said before, I think I can better serve my country by finishing my college education and using knowledge to serve.

It appears that an awful lot of you think you can better serve your country by staying out of harm's way. Interesting.

Yeah, who needs doctors, lawyers, policemen, firemen, mechanics, computer techs or people doing any other civilian job when there's a war to be faught?

Not to mention build the weapons they fight them with.

 

[Lars]

I had to do that in Germany and really did not like it. Since you have to do it anyways the pay was like $7 a day (a gallon of gas is about $4).

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Lars
I had to do that in Germany and really did not like it. Since you have to do it anyways the pay was like $7 a day (a gallon of gas is about $4).

Lucky you got to drive unimogs for free. I want one.

 

[HappyPuppy]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: Darein
He says in the article that no congressman's child goes to war, and wants them to realize how bad war can be. So why would mandatory service show them that? Their kids would be in rear jobs or something else. I am prime time age for it, and don't want to do it. As I have said before, I think I can better serve my country by finishing my college education and using knowledge to serve.

It appears that an awful lot of you think you can better serve your country by staying out of harm's way. Interesting.

Yeah, who needs doctors, lawyers, policemen, firemen, mechanics, computer techs or people doing any other civilian job when there's a war to be faught?

Under Taliban rule in Afghanistan they didn't need doctors, lawyers, policemen, firemen, mechanics, computer techs or many other people doing civililan jobs. Their lives were very simple. Even you would be able to understand your role in their society.

Without people willing to serve their country, willing to die for it if necessary, none of us will have a future.

 

[Lars]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: Lars
I had to do that in Germany and really did not like it. Since you have to do it anyways the pay was like $7 a day (a gallon of gas is about $4).

Lucky you got to drive unimogs for free. I want one.

Hardly anybody is allowed to drive those. You have to go to a "Unimog driving school" for three weeks first in order to get the licence. I was one of those lucky guys though since I was a driver during my military time. I mainly drove the Mercedes G-Class and also the Unimog.