Massive Explosion in Beirut Lebanon

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zinfamous

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That's the bit that is so damn cynical about this whole thing. You almost couldn't have deliberately engineered the circumstances to be worse than they actually were, with giant grain silos and fireworks right nextdoor to close to 3000 tons of a flammable and explosive compound sitting forgotten and ignored in a hot warehouse. Maybe if instead of fireworks the nextdoor factory had been making flame throwers and the room adjacent to the ammonium nitrate was used as a testing range for them, I dunno.


Yeah well, I think the takeaway here is to not jump to conclusions. Not that jumping to conclusions is somehow a defensible action, especially when you're the fucking presiderp of the united states, who has direct access to the biggest intel gathering apparatus on planet earth, and the area where the explosion occurred is already a volatile hotbed of mutual distrust, old grudges and outright hatred. It's fucking irresponsible, okay? Can we agree on that?

If you simply don't KNOW what happened, don't go with what your *ahem* gut tells you. (IE: prejudices, btw.) Instead, just don't say anything, alright? Say like, "we're still investigating the events that just occurred. No further comments for now."

It all goes back to: "He's as big as a dumbfuck as me. He talks like me and he sounds like me. He tells it like it is! Therefore, whatever he does must be right!"

Gone are the days when actual adults understood the importance of the most powerful person in the world needing to be calm, collected, and rational; almost certainly smarter than them, and absolutely capable of separating their individual thoughts and prejudices from the actual job they are elected to serve.

The GOP has created idiots like pcgeek in the millions, and the world suffers for it.
 

allisolm

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Well others have said the same thing in this very thread. Go give them some of your Adult Speaking Lessons.

You are a joke.

As zinfamous said "It's the President of the Fucking United States making public speculation about an accident, without any fucking assessment, that could actually lead to war."

As HomerJS said "Most responsible Presidents would have jumped to the conclusion...

'we don't know yet'"



It's not "others" on a message board. IT'S THE PRESIDENT OF THE US! That you don't even seem to recognize the difference is in my eyes nothing short of appalling. Unless you do recognize it and are just digging in your heels rather than admit it.
 

jman19

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As zinfamous said "It's the President of the Fucking United States making public speculation about an accident, without any fucking assessment, that could actually lead to war."

As HomerJS said "Most responsible Presidents would have jumped to the conclusion...

'we don't know yet'"



It's not "others" on a message board. IT'S THE PRESIDENT OF THE US! That you don't even seem to recognize the difference is in my eyes nothing short of appalling. Unless you do recognize it and are just digging in your heels rather than admit it.
It's like when Trump says "no one knew that..." when actually people do know, or are at least more informed than him but he refuses to admit his ignorance. And for some reason his water carriers think that because the average man may not know something or have the facts, it's equally acceptable that POTUS doesn't know either- despite the massive intelligence resources available to him. The dumbing down of the office continues.

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pcgeek11

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so, you didn't even read. That's 2 times flatly ignoring the relevant issue.

Fuck man, it's no mystery that if President Darkie had said the same exact thing right after the explosion, based on no intelligence whatsoever, you would trip over yourself to get past your crusty Trump Waifu pillows because you couldn't get to your keyboard fast enough to post on here about the dangerous incompetence of what Darkie said. Everyone fucking knows it, and so do you.

I never defended Trump and you are full of crap. I only stated the same as others in this thread what my initial thoughts were when I saw the blast. I'm sure you knew exactly what it was as soon as you saw it.

Sorry I didn't follow up with a tirade about how fucked up Trump is for saying anything about it before he had actual verified facts from the Democratic Party.

I don't know why you think I an fixated on "President Darkie" as many of you lefties are fond of calling Obama.

Is this how you get your jollies, making these asinine post?
 

pcgeek11

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so, you didn't even read. That's 2 times flatly ignoring the relevant issue.

Fuck man, it's no mystery that if President Darkie had said the same exact thing right after the explosion, based on no intelligence whatsoever, you would trip over yourself to get past your crusty Trump Waifu pillows because you couldn't get to your keyboard fast enough to post on here about the dangerous incompetence of what Darkie said. Everyone fucking knows it, and so do you.

As zinfamous said "It's the President of the Fucking United States making public speculation about an accident, without any fucking assessment, that could actually lead to war."

As HomerJS said "Most responsible Presidents would have jumped to the conclusion...

'we don't know yet'"



It's not "others" on a message board. IT'S THE PRESIDENT OF THE US! That you don't even seem to recognize the difference is in my eyes nothing short of appalling. Unless you do recognize it and are just digging in your heels rather than admit it.

Would one of you show me the quote where I defended what Trump said.

Just because I didn't make a statement saying how stupid his statement was does not mean that I condone it.

Quote it.
 

HomerJS

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I never defended Trump and you are full of crap. I only stated the same as others in this thread what my initial thoughts were when I saw the blast. I'm sure you knew exactly what it was as soon as you saw it.

Sorry I didn't follow up with a tirade about how fucked up Trump is for saying anything about it before he had actual verified facts from the Democratic Party.

I don't know why you think I an fixated on "President Darkie" as many of you lefties are fond of calling Obama.

Is this how you get your jollies, making these asinine post?
Having the intelligence resources of a POTUS and making that statement knowing wars can start that way is fucked up. However due to the lack of lighting in Trump's ass you blow it off as a, meh.
 
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This is very easy to clear up but we need a reporter to do it.
Ask the President “Do you still think the explosion was an attack”
“Yes or No”

Sadly that question would never get answered in a coherent way because the President cannot ever admit to being wrong.
 

pcgeek11

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Having the intelligence resources of a POTUS and making that statement knowing wars can start that way is fucked up. However due to the lack of lighting in Trump's ass you blow it off as a, meh.


As usual... Twisting.... Pathetic.
 

Muse

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Correspondence school huh.
It is now with the covid. They had some frat/soror partying going on a few weeks ago, bunch got positive. Campus is a ghost town. How's your neck of the woods?
 

ch33zw1z

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It's like when Trump says "no one knew that..." when actually people do know, or are at least more informed than him but he refuses to admit his ignorance. And for some reason his water carriers think that because the average man may not know something or have the facts, it's equally acceptable that POTUS doesn't know either- despite the massive intelligence resources available to him. The dumbing down of the office continues.

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Yep, he just carries that water while claiming the buckets aren't buckets at all, he's never touched a bucket in his life.
 

Muse

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This is very easy to clear up but we need a reporter to do it.
Ask the President “Do you still think the explosion was an attack”
“Yes or No”

Sadly that question would never get answered in a coherent way because the President cannot ever admit to being wrong.
reporters ask yes or no questions on a regular basis. most of the time it's responded to with barely coherent ramblings, alt-facts, and blaming others.

Being a reporter in DC these days is no piece of cake.
Having the intelligence resources of a POTUS and making that statement knowing wars can start that way is fucked up. However due to the lack of lighting in Trump's ass you blow it off as a, meh.
We really do need to send this guy out to pasture with a bulldozer come November, the biggest lamest duck in American history until Jan. 20, 2021.
 
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ch33zw1z

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This is very easy to clear up but we need a reporter to do it.
Ask the President “Do you still think the explosion was an attack”
“Yes or No”

Sadly that question would never get answered in a coherent way because the President cannot ever admit to being wrong.

reporters ask yes or no questions on a regular basis. most of the time it's responded to with barely coherent ramblings, alt-facts, and blaming others.
 
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HomerJS

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Just to show how fucked up Trump's statement was. Ignore at your own peril
 

ch33zw1z

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Just to show how fucked up Trump's statement was. Ignore at your own peril

He's just the POTUS with the world's biggest military, no bigge
 
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Z15CAM

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Absolutely feel for the people of Beirut. What I can't fathom is how did massive tons of Ammonia Nitrate get stored in the heart of a City ?

Recall the devastating WWII explosion in Halifax harbor Canada, The biggest chemical explosion known and not much less then the Atomic Bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

I do recall a cargo Bunker "C" Oil freighter exploding in GalvistonTexas a few years back that killed hundreds.
 
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amenx

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As zinfamous said "It's the President of the Fucking United States making public speculation about an accident, without any fucking assessment, that could actually lead to war."

As HomerJS said "Most responsible Presidents would have jumped to the conclusion...

'we don't know yet'"



It's not "others" on a message board. IT'S THE PRESIDENT OF THE US! That you don't even seem to recognize the difference is in my eyes nothing short of appalling. Unless you do recognize it and are just digging in your heels rather than admit it.
Although I agree that its dumb as hell for a POTUS to make reckless statements like that, but in practical terms very doubtful that any war can come out of this. Lebanon is a broken, bankrupt, militarily weak country that is in no position to go to war against anyone.
 

FaaR

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What I can't fathom is how did massive tons of Ammonia Nitrate get stored in the heart of a City ?
A Russian freighter brought the nitrate to Beirut in 2013 - unfortunately the owner of the freighter was experiencing financial problems and the ship simply never left the port. In 2014, Lebanese authorities impounded the ship, and/or its cargo, and the cargo then got moved from the ship to the warehouse which subsequently exploded around six years later.

...If I remember correctly!
 
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A Russian freighter brought the nitrate to Beirut in 2013 - unfortunately the owner of the freighter was experiencing financial problems and the ship simply never left the port. In 2014, Lebanese authorities impounded the ship, and/or its cargo, and the cargo then got moved from the ship to the warehouse which subsequently exploded around six years later.

...If I remember correctly!
Yup. And the port authority couldn't move it anywhere else and they wrote to the government for years about the danger but nothing ever happened.
 
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hal2kilo

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Absolutely feel for the people of Beirut. What I can't fathom is how did massive tons of Ammonia Nitrate get stored in the heart of a City ?

Recall the devastating WWII explosion in Halifax harbor Canada, The biggest chemical explosion known and not much less then the Atomic Bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

I do recall a cargo Bunker "C" Oil freighter exploding in GalvistonTexas a few years back that killed hundreds.
They been pawns for 50 years or so. I'm young enough that I remember when Lebanon was considered the Switzerland of the Middle East. So much waste.
 

zinfamous

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Would one of you show me the quote where I defended what Trump said.

Just because I didn't make a statement saying how stupid his statement was does not mean that I condone it.

Quote it.

you are so cognitively arrested, it is absolutely pathetic. How fucking embarrassing it must be for those related to you. seriously:

--You are too fucking old to not understand that not explicitly saying something is the same thing as never conveying the exact same message, in a very obvious way. How do you not fucking understand this, at your advanced age in life? It has to be intentional. You are just stubborn and/or fucking stupid.

--You explicitly defended Trump's public comment by weighing his same pubic words against the thoughts or words of any random person anywhere, and so dismissing their significance. It is explicitly a defense because you attempt to remove legitimate significance from the issue; pretending that everyone's words have the same value at all times, and that, apparently, this really isn't an issue at all.

This isn't debatable. This is simply how things are. Again, it must be fucking embarrassing for family and friends to endure your flap on a daily basis.
 

Jhhnn

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I did enjoy the Terrarist! reference from Trump. The only Terrarists! I can think of who might want to blow up Beirut would be the Mossad. It wouldn't be the first time. I could probably start a conspiracy theory if I worked at it.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
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you are so cognitively arrested, it is absolutely pathetic. How fucking embarrassing it must be for those related to you. seriously:

--You are too fucking old to not understand that not explicitly saying something is the same thing as never conveying the exact same message, in a very obvious way. How do you not fucking understand this, at your advanced age in life? It has to be intentional. You are just stubborn and/or fucking stupid.

--You explicitly defended Trump's public comment by weighing his same pubic words against the thoughts or words of any random person anywhere, and so dismissing their significance. It is explicitly a defense because you attempt to remove legitimate significance from the issue; pretending that everyone's words have the same value at all times, and that, apparently, this really isn't an issue at all.

This isn't debatable. This is simply how things are. Again, it must be fucking embarrassing for family and friends to endure your flap on a daily basis.


It is debatable.

You must mean my horrid defense of the president in my original posts here:

I would think that a lot of people would jump to that conclusion or at least that suspicion if they saw the explosion without any background information.

Who would suspect they would be stupid enough to store that much AN in a port warehouse for over 6 years. And next door to a warehouse full of fireworks.

And from that the crap shoot began:

Please learn to to read. I didn't defend what Trump said or his reasons for saying it.

When I saw the explosion on the news with the sound off, my first thought was a terrorist attack. I didn't know where or what just the video of the explosion and that is what I thought. I'm sure that I'm not alone.

Well others have said the same thing in this very thread. Go give them some of your Adult Speaking Lessons.

You are a joke.

Would one of you show me the quote where I defended what Trump said.

Just because I didn't make a statement saying how stupid his statement was does not mean that I condone it.

Quote it.

There is not a word of defense for Trumps statement in any of those post I made.

Only in your little mind.

This:
"Just because I didn't make a statement saying how stupid his statement was does not mean that I condone it."

Is the basis of your entire post. I don't have the need to rant and rave about every perceived wrong from Trump. Sorry it doesn't hold up to your school of adult speaking.
 
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