***Matrox Parhelia....It's Coming......

[grant2]

]Let's see.... GF4 was just released. Parhelia will be introduced soon. and you say it doesn't matter because "NVIDIA has fall refresh in the pipeline already". By that logic no company could be competetive no matter how insanely powerful GPU's they release becuse "Next NVIDIA chip is only 6 months away". It doesn't quite work that way. Parhelia has more than enough power to stomp GF4 (assuming the specs I heard are correct) and more than enough power to compete with NVIDIA's next chip (assuming NVIDIA follow their typical routine).

Why don't we just see what nvidia *is* offering, if & when this mysterious matrox product ever ends up on store shelves.

No matter how you cut it, a fall nvidia release is a lot more certain than a fall matrox release.

 

[NFS4]

<< Why don't we just see what nvidia *is* offering, if & when this mysterious matrox product ever ends up on store shelves.

No matter how you cut it, a fall nvidia release is a lot more certain than a fall matrox release. >>


Amen to that!

 

[Nemesis77]

<< "order of magnitude" is a scientific term that means the same thing in all languages. for instance, in german it is "die Gr&ouml;&szlig;enordnung".

--jacob >>



really? Here I thought that "Order of magnitude" is an english term! After all, the finnish dictionary (which lists finnish words and terms) doesn't recognize the term. But I'm sure that there is an official scientific translated finnish term for it. But I wouldn't know since I'm not involved with scientific circles. And I wouldn't know what is the official explanation of "order of magnitude" since I'm not a native english-speaker.

In Finland, instead of "order of magnitude better" people use the word "kertaluokkaa parempi" in inofficial conversations. Usually that simply means "significantly better".

I'm deeply sorry I didn't consult the english dictionary before making my post. I just hope that there aren't alot of people out there who now believe that Matrox Parhelia is ten times as powerful as GF4 is.

 

[Nemesis77]

<< Why don't we just see what nvidia *is* offering, if & when this mysterious matrox product ever ends up on store shelves.

No matter how you cut it, a fall nvidia release is a lot more certain than a fall matrox release. >>



If its' anything like NVIDIA's usual releases (incremental improvements), I would guess that it would still have some way to go to catch Parhelia. But, we will see.

Well, of course fall release by NVIDIA is more propable than fall release by Matrox! After all, NVIDIA operates on 6-month product cycle (new products in spring and fall). Matrox does not.

 

[Nemesis77]

<< Why don't we just see what nvidia *is* offering, if & when this mysterious matrox product ever ends up on store shelves.

No matter how you cut it, a fall nvidia release is a lot more certain than a fall matrox release. >>



If its' anything like NVIDIA's usual releases (incremental improvements), I would guess that it would still have some way to go to catch Parhelia. But, we will see.

Well, of course fall release by NVIDIA is more propable than fall release by Matrox! After all, NVIDIA operates on 6-month product cycle (new products in spring and fall). Matrox does not.

 

[NFS4]

Nemesis77, you still didn't address my previous post...I see you skipped right over it (seeing as how you addressed the posts before and after it). Too much truth for you to handle?

 

[Nemesis77]

<< Why don't we just see what nvidia *is* offering, if & when this mysterious matrox product ever ends up on store shelves.

No matter how you cut it, a fall nvidia release is a lot more certain than a fall matrox release. >>



If its' anything like NVIDIA's usual releases (incremental improvements), I would guess that it would still have some way to go to catch Parhelia. But, we will see.

Well, of course fall release by NVIDIA is more propable than fall release by Matrox! After all, NVIDIA operates on 6-month product cycle (new products in spring and fall). Matrox does not.

 

[Nemesis77]

<< The problem is you're basing vapour next to a proven product line and product schedule. >>



Matrox seems to operate on a longer product-schedule, so what? What makes it less proven than NVIDIAs schedule?



<< Matrox has nothing to show for for the past 2 and 1/2 years in the high performance arena. >>



And that means they can't do it? NVIDIA has no credentials when they entered this business, now they dominate it.



<< Think about...what's most likely? That Matrox shoots up out of no where and releases a top of the line chip that crushes ATi and NVIDIA in performance/features at a competive price ($300 - $400) or that NVIDIA and ATi continue on at their rather brisk pace of updating and speeding up their chips to the point that the next Matrox card will be nothing more than a shiny trophy for Matrox 2D fanboys? >>



Of course NVIDIA will eventually surpass Parhelia. I'm not saying that Parhelia will be so superior that it's impossible for competitors to surpass it.

And what's wrong with excellent 2D? 2D is what I mostly stare at on my monitor, damn straigh I want it to be good!



<< ATi and NVIDIA have nothing to prove. Matrox fanboys just want something to hold on to. The problem is, you're gonna be holding your own wangs most likely >>



It's pointless to argue about this. Why don't we just wait and see. Trust me, you will be proven wrong.

 

[Nemesis77]

<< Nemesis77, you still didn't address my previous post...I see you skipped right over it (seeing as how you addressed the posts before and after it). Too much truth for you to handle? >>



Not at all . I honestly didn't see it, I got stuck to the rather pointless post somewhere beneath your post . Thanks for the heads-up, I have replied to your comments

 

[Electric Amish]

<<

<< Why don't we just see what nvidia *is* offering, if & when this mysterious matrox product ever ends up on store shelves.

No matter how you cut it, a fall nvidia release is a lot more certain than a fall matrox release. >>


Amen to that! >>



I agree, because Parhelia will be out before fall.

amish

 

[EdipisReks]

<< really? Here I thought that "Order of magnitude" is an english term! After all, the finnish dictionary (which lists finnish words and terms) doesn't recognize the term. But I'm sure that there is an official scientific translated finnish term for it. But I wouldn't know since I'm not involved with scientific circles. And I wouldn't know what is the official explanation of "order of magnitude" since I'm not a native english-speaker. >>



phrases generally aren't included in dictionaries. i'm sure that if you got your hands on a finnish scientist that they could tell you the finnish term for "order of magnitude". i know the german equivalent because i speak german and i have been in scientific environments with germans. obvisouly most languages aren't going to have a direct, word for word translation, but any group that uses standardized science will use a term that translates to "order of magnitude". actually, most germans i've met use "order of magnitude" instead of "Gr&ouml;&szlig;enordnung" as english is the defacto standard language for technical and scientific writing. i've never met a finnish scientist or technical writer, so i don't know what term one would use. i'm sorry that you never took a science class, though. however, i'm not going to argue this anymore, as a quick glance at the rest of the thread shows what kind of person you are.

cheers.

--jacob

 

[Nemesis77]

<< phrases generally aren't included in dictionaries. i'm sure that if you got your hands on a finnish scientist that they could tell you the finnish term for "order of magnitude". >>



Thanks for the tip, I'll make sure that I have a scientist standing next to me when I post here in the future.



<< however, i'm not going to argue this anymore, as a quick glance at the rest of the thread shows what kind of person you are. >>



And what kind of person would I be then?

 

[HGC]

 

[grant2]

I agree, because Parhelia will be out before fall.

Do you mean a product that's named Parhelia? Or do you mean a product that meets all the MURC speculation? (fat-ass memory system, crazy faster than gf4, etc. etc.)?

 

[Rectalfier]

It will have more bandwidth and performance than a Geforce4, Geforce4 MX that is.

 

[Electric Amish]

<< It will have more bandwidth and performance than a Geforce4, Geforce4 MX that is. >>



No.



<< o you mean a product that's named Parhelia? Or do you mean a product that meets all the MURC speculation? (fat-ass memory system, crazy faster than gf4, etc. etc.)? >>



Hehe.. You're funny. The Parhelia already exists in the guise of the specs stated at the MURC. I don't know what the retail name will be.

amish

 

[LH]

NV30 is in no way an incremental step... Nvidia has SGI, and 3dfx engineers...

 

[Electric Amish]

<< NV30 is in no way an incremental step... Nvidia has SGI, and 3dfx engineers... >>



...and don't forget Matrox engineers...

amish

 

[grant2]

I agree, because Parhelia will be out before fall.
o you mean a product that's named Parhelia? Or do you mean a product that meets all the MURC speculation? (fat-ass memory system, crazy faster than gf4, etc. etc.)?
Hehe.. You're funny. The Parhelia already exists in the guise of the specs stated at the MURC. I don't know what the retail name will be.

It wasn't a joke, we just want to be clear that you are promising the SPECS and not the name.

 

[Electric Amish]

<< I agree, because Parhelia will be out before fall.
o you mean a product that's named Parhelia? Or do you mean a product that meets all the MURC speculation? (fat-ass memory system, crazy faster than gf4, etc. etc.)?
Hehe.. You're funny. The Parhelia already exists in the guise of the specs stated at the MURC. I don't know what the retail name will be.

It wasn't a joke, we just want to be clear that you are promising the SPECS and not the name. >>



They are the same thing.

amish

 

[grant2]

(...) I don't know what the retail name will be.
It wasn't a joke, we just want to be clear that you are promising the SPECS and not the name.
They are the same thing.

You just said you don't know what the retail name will be, now you claim it will be the same? That doesn't make sense.

 

[Electric Amish]

<< (...) I don't know what the retail name will be.
It wasn't a joke, we just want to be clear that you are promising the SPECS and not the name.
They are the same thing.

You just said you don't know what the retail name will be, now you claim it will be the same? That doesn't make sense. >>

 

[AGodspeed]

It's not so much that I doubt that Matrox will release a card this year, it's that I doubt how good Parhelia will be.

I'm not sure what Matrox is doing differently at this point. Maybe they hired some really great engineers recently and improved their management team. Who knows. But at this point, it's ALL VAPORWARE. Unless the CEO of Matrox or some top Matrox engineer told you about (or better yet, showed you) this Parhelia card in action, then you can't say how good or bad it will be for sure.

What is for sure is that nVidia will release the NV30 within the next year; while ATi will release the R300 within that same timeframe (according to more reliable sources than just Matrox fanboy web sites).

 

[Electric Amish]

<< It's not so much that I doubt that Matrox will release a card this year, it's that I doubt how good Parhelia will be.

I'm not sure what Matrox is doing differently at this point. Maybe they hired some really great engineers recently and improved their management team. Who knows. But at this point, it's ALL VAPORWARE. Unless the CEO of Matrox or some top Matrox engineer told you about (or better yet, showed you) this Parhelia card in action, then you can't say how good or bad it will be for sure.

What is for sure is that nVidia will release the NV30 within the next year; while ATi will release the R300 within that same timeframe (according to more reliable sources than just Matrox fanboy web sites). >>



They have 2+ years of research behind it. Take my word, it will be a kick-ass card.

amish

 

[Hulk]

I don't know when or if Matrox will release this card.

I also don't know how it will perform.

I do know someone that is beta testing one so Matrox will most likely be releasing something.