Mechwarrior Online (Previously MW5/MW3015)

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LurkerPrime

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I got a refund the other day as I wasn't too happy with the way things were going and looked to be heading. Looks like with open beta coming out in not even a week I made the recall and don't regret the decision now. Shame really.

Care to ellaborate on what you had to do to get a refund?
 

HydroSqueegee

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Yeah, up until this patch I was debating which founder's pack to get. I told myself to wait since these next two patches were supposed to be big. Glad I waited.

well if you do have faith in the game and you do want to get a founders pack, you only have until the 14th.

I dont think this game is ready for release. Granted, they are releasing from one beta into another, but the amount of quirks this patch has released are immense and game breaking for many. They must either be under a lot of pressure to get the ball rolling, or they have a handle on the remaining bugs and most will be squashed onthe 16th.

Im still having a ton of fun, but their choices are very concerning.
 
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DrunkenSano

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I'm glad I got my refund too, just in time before this travesty occurred.



Care to ellaborate on what you had to do to get a refund?

You send in a support ticket and talk to the GM who will most likely escalate it to a head GM. The head GM I talked to basically tried to convince me to say, saying that I'm spending premium time on Beta because Open Beta is really launch in their mind.
 

Rifter

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Oct 9, 1999
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I got a refund the other day as I wasn't too happy with the way things were going and looked to be heading. Looks like with open beta coming out in not even a week I made the recall and don't regret the decision now. Shame really.

Yeah, i was going to go that route but decided to stick it out, a decision i made knowing i will regret it later.......
 
Oct 16, 1999
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well if you do have faith in the game and you do want to get a founders pack, you only have until the 14th.

I dont think this game is ready for release. Granted, they are releasing from one beta into another, but the amount of quirks this patch has released are immense and game breaking for many. They must either be under a lot of pressure to get the ball rolling, or they have a handle on the remaining bugs and most will be squashed onthe 16th.

Im still having a ton of fun, but their choices are very concerning.

I'm not trilled about the selection of founder's mechs. Especially the Hunchback. I was tempted to get the $30 pack, buy the Hunch I wanted and get a few extra bay slots. I'm still considering this, but not leaning towards it like I was. Thanks for the heads up on the end date, I had been looking for info but didn't see anything solid. But if they don't at least fix the server issues before then I doubt I'm going to jump.
 

OSULugan

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I'm thinking I'm going to request a refund. I went from the lowest tier up to the highest tier of founder's back in the early August timeframe, when the developers were seeming to add new functionality, address issues, etc. every week, and I thought that they had a realistic shot of getting more than just a matchmaking system for 8v8 put together before launch/open beta.

I've lamented the lack of a main chat area, or anyway to really organize with other players outside of 3rd party utilities. The developer's response was to contract with another company to provide voice support, but not in a way that solved the problem I had with the current system.

I initially played in PUGs primarily with a buddy of mine, and quickly learned that I was going to have to get into a pre-made group to consistently compete. I did that using the unofficial TS3 server, but found it still clunky to find a group, and then boring when 95% of the fights were against PUGs which stood little to no chance to win. I got so bored with it, that I literally haven't played it in over a month, waiting on new, meaningful features to be added. Instead we got more combat balancing and another 'Mech. If they were serious about moving towards a greater meta-game, they wouldn't be focusing so much on the economy and balancing of the current combat game, as a greater meta-game would invalidate much of this balance.

I love mechwarrior, and I had high hopes after wishing for a return of MPBT:3025 for the past decade. But pushing to open beta, deciding to decrement premium time included with the founder's packages, and making the game a grindfest really has disillusioned me with the team and direction of the game.
 

Rifter

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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I'm thinking I'm going to request a refund. I went from the lowest tier up to the highest tier of founder's back in the early August timeframe, when the developers were seeming to add new functionality, address issues, etc. every week, and I thought that they had a realistic shot of getting more than just a matchmaking system for 8v8 put together before launch/open beta.

I've lamented the lack of a main chat area, or anyway to really organize with other players outside of 3rd party utilities. The developer's response was to contract with another company to provide voice support, but not in a way that solved the problem I had with the current system.

I initially played in PUGs primarily with a buddy of mine, and quickly learned that I was going to have to get into a pre-made group to consistently compete. I did that using the unofficial TS3 server, but found it still clunky to find a group, and then boring when 95% of the fights were against PUGs which stood little to no chance to win. I got so bored with it, that I literally haven't played it in over a month, waiting on new, meaningful features to be added. Instead we got more combat balancing and another 'Mech. If they were serious about moving towards a greater meta-game, they wouldn't be focusing so much on the economy and balancing of the current combat game, as a greater meta-game would invalidate much of this balance.

I love mechwarrior, and I had high hopes after wishing for a return of MPBT:3025 for the past decade. But pushing to open beta, deciding to decrement premium time included with the founder's packages, and making the game a grindfest really has disillusioned me with the team and direction of the game.

I agree with everything you have said and its all true with no spin, but will stick it out anyways
 

OSULugan

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Feb 22, 2003
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I agree with everything you have said and its all true with no spin, but will stick it out anyways

I hope that it turns out well, and I come back with my tail between my legs, less the founders 'Mechs, in a few months when they implement additional features.

As a long-time player of Tabletop, I WANT it to succeed. I really want their strategy mechwarrior-based game to also succeed. But my financial situation doesn't allow me to bet on the success of this game and throw money down the drain during the first month or two of open beta, wasting my premium time.
 

HydroSqueegee

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Oct 27, 2005
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i dont really care when my premium time starts since ill more than likely carry a premium account for the duration i play. the devs are looking into options for premium time since so many people have expressed concerns about their time running when open beta hits.

tons of stuff comming down on the 16th. cant wait. i expect this game to get better and better. and the devs have stated the match maker is in its very, very, very basic form. changes will be made to it, but ittl take some time.

the only thing im not too happy about is the price of MC. i planned to buy $20 worth at some point, but you dont get much for the $$$ spent.

and im sad to say this game will have a grind. but what do you expect for a free to play game?
 

Fallen Kell

Diamond Member
Oct 9, 1999
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The simple solution would be to allow the players who pre-ordered to select when they want their premium-time to begin.
 

felang

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So, I haven´t played in a month or two... I went for the Atlas founders, should I just stick with that and strip it for parts (engine especially) or change to something else? IS any Founders mech "better" than the others?

I definitely don´t like using the Atlas, just to slow.
 

HydroSqueegee

Golden Member
Oct 27, 2005
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So, I haven´t played in a month or two... I went for the Atlas founders, should I just stick with that and strip it for parts (engine especially) or change to something else? IS any Founders mech "better" than the others?

I definitely don´t like using the Atlas, just to slow.

i dont think any one is better than the other. just depends on your play style and what role you want to fill. I find them all useful for very different reasons.

the founders atlas is a beast. piloted correctly you can rack up the kills and dish out tons of damage. If i had to choose just one, i would take it for the simple fact its the most expensive and will pull in the most money due to kills and damage output.

Gauss, 4 MLasers, 2 SRM6 = fun
 

Elcs

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Apr 27, 2002
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i dont think any one is better than the other. just depends on your play style and what role you want to fill. I find them all useful for very different reasons.

the founders atlas is a beast. piloted correctly you can rack up the kills and dish out tons of damage. If i had to choose just one, i would take it for the simple fact its the most expensive and will pull in the most money due to kills and damage output.

Gauss, 4 MLasers, 2 SRM6 = fun

I must confess... I use a similar build but prefer the AC/20 to the Gauss. Of course I lose out in a few areas but when I'm up close and personal, it's brutal.
 
Oct 16, 1999
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So, I haven´t played in a month or two... I went for the Atlas founders, should I just stick with that and strip it for parts (engine especially) or change to something else? IS any Founders mech "better" than the others?

I definitely don´t like using the Atlas, just to slow.

Get the one you're willing to spend the most time in to take best advantage of the founder's bonus. The Cat and Jenner aren't bad. The Hunch variant is the worst of that mech IMO.
 

HydroSqueegee

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Oct 27, 2005
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Get the one you're willing to spend the most time in to take best advantage of the founder's bonus. The Cat and Jenner aren't bad. The Hunch variant is the worst of that mech IMO.

i will agree the hunch is a tad lackluster. toss in a couple UAC5s or use 2 PPCs and it can be all kinds of silly. but i do use it the least. I use the Cat the most.
 

HydroSqueegee

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Oct 27, 2005
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I must confess... I use a similar build but prefer the AC/20 to the Gauss. Of course I lose out in a few areas but when I'm up close and personal, it's brutal.

dump the AC/20 and toss in a couple LB10X. the LBXLASS!!! its silly fun to run.
 

Elcs

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Apr 27, 2002
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Get the one you're willing to spend the most time in to take best advantage of the founder's bonus. The Cat and Jenner aren't bad. The Hunch variant is the worst of that mech IMO.

Stock Founders Hunchback with a couple of items moved around, Small Laser removed, CASE added, more ammo added, engine downgraded slightly.

Beast... if you can aim and handle the heat.
 

Fallen Kell

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Oct 9, 1999
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So, I haven´t played in a month or two... I went for the Atlas founders, should I just stick with that and strip it for parts (engine especially) or change to something else? IS any Founders mech "better" than the others?

I definitely don´t like using the Atlas, just to slow.

Out of all the founders mechs, the Atlas and the Jenner have the best hardmount/weapon configs which work (*as currently balanced*). The hunch "could" be good, but not unless it gets a clan XL engine (assuming you will even be able to do that), or clan double heatsinks and ferro-fibros armor is out. Otherwise it is too slow, too squishy, and/or too out gunned.

The Cat is "ok". It isn't the Cat that people will be using as it isn't the K2. Unless they fix heat or heatsinks, it is useless.

I love the founders Atlas. You live and die by your team, but you should be taking 2-3 mechs with you when you go if you are playing right (i.e. you learn to shoot the head or learn to recognize which mechs are probably using an XL engine and shoot their sides). What you don't do is stand there and shoot dead center on a mech (this goes for piloting any mech, but more so on the Atlas since you should have the firepower to blow off a head in 2 volleys). So if you spent more than 8-10 seconds shooting at a mech in an Atlas, you spent too much time.

The Jenner sucks until you get a 300XL engine. I would not even bother using one until you do that, so that means lots of matches getting creamed until that happens if all you get is the founders jenner. I personally plan on using the founders atlas until I have enough to purchase a 300XL engine, which has the side benefit of being the best engine for the Jenner, Hunchback, Raven, and Atlas (if you don't mind having a squishy Atlas). But WITH the 300XL, it is (in my opinion), the 2nd best mech in the game (the Raven with the 300XL is the best). Why do I say it is the best? Because you don't need to rely on your team to survive. You are faster or as fast as every mech in the game so you can simply run. Because of your speed and size, you can take cover just about everywhere and only take minor glancing hits from lasers. If you pilot it correctly you can get behind every mech in the game and core their weak rear armor. I have a round where in my Jenner (it wasn't the founders, but it could just as easily had been), I had 7 kills and 1 assist with many of those kills being 1v1.
 
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Fallen Kell

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Stock Founders Hunchback with a couple of items moved around, Small Laser removed, CASE added, more ammo added, engine downgraded slightly.

Beast... if you can aim and handle the heat.

Until you get killed by every light mech in the game because they can run around behind you faster than you can turn to keep your back armor away from them.
 

HydroSqueegee

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Oct 27, 2005
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Out of all the founders mechs, the Atlas and the Jenner have the best hardmount/weapon configs which work (*as currently balanced*). The hunch "could" be good, but not unless it gets a clan XL engine (assuming you will even be able to do that), or clan double heatsinks and ferro-fibros armor is out. Otherwise it is too slow, too squishy, and/or too out gunned.

The Cat is "ok". It isn't the Cat that people will be using as it isn't the K2. Unless they fix heat or heatsinks, it is useless.

I love the founders Atlas. You live and die by your team, but you should be taking 2-3 mechs with you when you go if you are playing right (i.e. you learn to shoot the head or learn to recognize which mechs are probably using an XL engine and shoot their sides). What you don't do is stand there and shoot dead center on a mech (this goes for piloting any mech, but more so on the Atlas since you should have the firepower to blow off a head in 2 volleys). So if you spent more than 8-10 seconds shooting at a mech in an Atlas, you spent too much time.

The Jenner sucks until you get a 300XL engine. I would not even bother using one until you do that, so that means lots of matches getting creamed until that happens if all you get is the founders jenner. I personally plan on using the founders atlas until I have enough to purchase a 300XL engine, which has the side benefit of being the best engine for the Jenner, Hunchback, Raven, and Atlas (if you don't mind having a squishy Atlas). But WITH the 300XL, it is (in my opinion), the 2nd best mech in the game (the Raven with the 300XL is the best). Why do I say it is the best? Because you don't need to rely on your team to survive. You are faster or as fast as every mech in the game so you can simply run. Because of your speed and size, you can take cover just about everywhere and only take minor glancing hits from lasers. If you pilot it correctly you can get behind every mech in the game and core their weak rear armor. I have a round where in my Jenner (it wasn't the founders, but it could just as easily had been), I had 7 kills and 1 assist with many of those kills being 1v1.

the founders cat is far from useless. it can be made into just about anything you want. you arnt going to be tearing through the ranks in it, sure. but piloted correctly it can be a good time. Everyone has different likes and goals. yours appear to be "kill everyting by yourself" which is fine. I like to play a more supporting role.

I would play the jenner more if it didnt turn into a slide show moving at that speed around other mechs. and you do really need an XL in it, but it doesnt completely suck without one. just not as good.
 

Elcs

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the founders cat is far from useless. it can be made into just about anything you want. you arnt going to be tearing through the ranks in it, sure. but piloted correctly it can be a good time. Everyone has different likes and goals. yours appear to be "kill everyting by yourself" which is fine. I like to play a more supporting role.

I would play the jenner more if it didnt turn into a slide show moving at that speed around other mechs. and you do really need an XL in it, but it doesnt completely suck without one. just not as good.

Founders Cat:

2 PPC's
2 ML's
1 JJ
XL Engine to get over 70kph
Max torso armour
Loads of Heatsinks

Highly mobile sniper who packs a punch at range, can blast off a few salvoes before needing a break. Is not defenceless in close range combat but obviously you're meant to avoid that.

Drop the ML's if you like, add in more HS/upgrade the engine.
Remove the Jump Jet for more HS/Engine.
Upgrade the PPC's to ER PPC's.
Wangle the room for AMS+Ammo.

Yes, this is kind of a stock K2 build with the Founders Mech but it has solid attributes to make it mean machine as long as you play to it's strengths (range, damage, mobility) and hide it's weaknesses (no close range punch, XL engine, standard Catapult head issue, potential heat?).

The way I personally played my Founders Cat. Loved it so much I tried a 3/4 PPC Awesome/Atlas.
 

HydroSqueegee

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Oct 27, 2005
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i do something similar with the Cat, except i drop in 2 ERPPCs, 2 MLasers with an XL265 max armor except for a little in the legs, AMS and all the heatsinks i can squeeze into it.

3 LLasers is a good time too.

K2 is still my favorite Cat varient.
4 MLasers, 1 Gauss

or lately 2 AC5's and 2 MLasers
 
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