Medical Ethics Question

RagingNova

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A woman decides to have a genetic screening of her unborn fetus and learns that her child has a very serious genetic disorder (Juvenile Huntington's Disease, Cystic Fibrosis, or some other serious disorder) and will no doubt die at a young age. Her doctor recommends an abortion; however the woman is unable to bring her self to terminate the pregnancy. Is it unethical of her to keep the child knowing what she does?

This was inspired by the other medical ethics question.
 

Auggie

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Ask the parents of a retarded or Trisomy 21 child whether or not they regret not aborting.
 

Auggie

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Its unethical to bring someone into the world who you know will experience pain and die? That's pretty much the story of any person who is ever born.
 

warmodder

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It's going to die either way. Giving it the chance to at least try and fight is a noble thing imo.
 

Auggie

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From the Wikipedia.org entry on Down Syndrome (Trisomy 21):

A 2002 literature review of elective abortion rates found that 91?93% of pregnancies with a diagnosis of Down syndrome were terminated.[23] Physicians and ethicists are concerned about the ethical ramifications of this.[24] Conservative commentator George Will called it "eugenics by abortion".[25] Lord Brian Rix stated that "alas, the birth of a child with Down's syndrome is still considered by many to be an utter tragedy" and the "ghost of the biologist Sir Francis Galton, who founded the eugenics movement in 1885, still stalks the corridors of many a teaching hospital".[26] Doctor David Mortimer has argued in Ethics & Medicine that "Down's syndrome infants have long been disparaged by some doctors and government bean counters."[27] Some members[weasel words] of the disability rights movement "believe that public support for prenatal diagnosis and abortion based on disability contravenes the movement's basic philosophy and goals."[28]

Actor Peter Birkenhead wrote for the liberal news website Salon.com about his and his wife's own experience in ending a 18-week-pregnancy because of a Down syndrome diagnosis. He states that the parents of children with Down syndrome opposed to the abortions are "intruding into a usually private decision". He also states that "I'm sure the people behind this campaign have the best intentions, but the premise behind it is a condescending and dangerous one" and that their position "sacrifices the quality of the lives of thousands of (mostly poor) young women in the name of 'morality'."[29] A 1998 study of Finnish doctors found that "Only very few, pediatricians somewhat more often, thought that Down's syndrome is not a good enough reason for pregnancy termination, but more (15-21%) thought that current prenatal screenings in general are (partly) based on eugenic thinking."[30]
 

RagingNova

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As bad as Down Syndrom is, I don't think it rises to the severity of Juvenile Huntington's Disease or Cystic Fibrosis.
 

Kreon

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My parents had a freind in college who had some genetic disorder.
I think it was Cystic Fibrosis, but not sure

Her parents were told she wouldn't live to be three
then they say 8
then they said 16
then they said 20
then they said 22

She died when she was 23 years old

I'd give the kid a chance
Why make it a chance of zero, when there's even a slight chance of survival?
 

Noobtastic

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That's a very unfair hypothetical. What are you trying to argue? The legitimacy of sex-selection/genetic screening?

More excuses to kill of the next generation and provide additional wealth to satisfy our never-ending quest for indulgence. I can't wait when the modern day Vandals conquer the western world.

 
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Children with Down Syndrome are capable of living a happy life. Other genetic issues that cause grave birth defects, and result in a child that will be in pain for it's whole life however long or short it is, is selfishness on the parents part if they opt not to abort. My best friend and his wife had to abort their 1st pregnancy because the fetus was diagnosed with a genetic disorder and they were told IF she made it to term that the baby wouldn't live very long and be in pain the whole time. It is not a decision they made lightly, but in the end the love they had for their unborn child was what allowed them to follow through and have it aborted to prevent her from being born and being in pain for her whole life.
 

Noobtastic

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That's a very unfair hypothetical. What are you trying to argue? The legitimacy of sex-selection/genetic screening?

More excuses to kill of the next generation and provide additional wealth to satisfy our never-ending quest for indulgence. I can't wait when the modern day Vandals conquer the western world.

 

ppdes

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Reminds me of that stink recently about deaf parents wanting to intentionally have deaf children.
 

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Just to play devil's advocate for a moment,

Don't forget, when a severely handicapped child is carried to term, doesn't that mean that a "normal" child won't be born? While the first child born is often unplanned in today's society, most families make plans for the number of children they will have. Hence, if they decide to stop after two children, then having one born that has a life expectency measured in years rather than decades ends up preventing another child from being born who would have a much longer life expectency without a tremendous burden on the family's time and finances.
 
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No. I always lean on the side of keeping a child when there's any question of abortion just because the doctors could be wrong, but I certainly don't think it's unethical to save your unborn child from a life of misery, however short that life may be.
 

RaistlinZ

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How much does it cost in medical needs to raise a kid with cystic fibrosis? That would be a determining factor for me. Call me cold, unfeeling, watever, but I'm a realist. Why bring a child into the world who may only have a few years to live if it's going to cost tens of thousands of dollars a year in medical costs?
 

Noobtastic

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Originally posted by: RaistlinZ
How much does it cost in medical needs to raise a kid with cystic fibrosis? That would be a determining factor for me. Call me cold, unfeeling, watever, but I'm a realist. Why bring a child into the world who may only have a few years to live if it's going to cost tens of thousands of dollars a year in medical costs?

Well if you measure life in dollars don't have kids, plain and simple. Life is precious, whether you have cystic fibrosis or aids.

Terminating life in the name of mercy is just a lame excuse to not have deal with responsibility. Everyone deserves a chance, even if parasites are oozing out of your skull.

In a perfect world, perhaps genetic screening could be useful, but the world isn't perfect and the certainty of humans abusing genetic screening in the name of humanitarianism is beyond frightening.

This generation is either really stupid or just really evil.

 
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