Meet the Parents actress dies

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: SuperTool
US healthcare in action.

Ayup and everyone is happy and OK with it.

Chris Rock: When I was a kid, I had to be near-death to see a doctor, so my daddy got into the habit of putting Robitussin on everything, and I mean EVERYTHING!
Daddy, I got asthama! "Well here, take some Robitussin!" Daddy, I got cancer! "Here, take some Robitussin!" Daddy, I broke my leg! "Here, put some Robitussin on it... that's right, let the Robitesum sink in there."

What does your quote have to do with the US Healthcare System?

Replace Robitussin with Tylenol.

And let's replace daddy with doctor, right?

You are defensive of the US healthcare system today. Something you wanna tell us?

You're bringing your political agenda into a thread that has nothing to do with the quality of the US Healthcare System, especially considering she was a decently well-off celebrity, with access to all sorts of treatments.

It was a simple case of malpractice, which happens in every country, every single day.

Troll elsewhere.

Oh really. There was another thread about a UK girl who got misdiagnosed, and all the conservatives were blaming it on socialized healthcare. And it has everything to do with the quality of the US healthcare. If she had access to all sorts of treatments and the best healthcare and got misdiagnosed twice and died, what healthcare is an average shmuck off the street getting?

Link to said thread, and what does that have to do with me?

It tells you malpractice happens, regardless of where you are in the world, what kind of doctor you visit, or how much money you have. I guess people in the UK, Canada, or anywhere else in the world never make mistakes, just in the US?

I guess even the best never make mistakes, right?

This thread is also not about you. So what is your problem? Don't like my posts, don't read them.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: BigJ

You're bringing your political agenda into a thread that has nothing to do with the quality of the US Healthcare System, especially considering she was a decently well-off celebrity, with access to all sorts of treatments.

It was a simple case of malpractice, which happens in every country, every single day.

Troll elsewhere.

Oh really. There was another thread about a UK girl who got misdiagnosed, and all the conservatives were blaming it on socialized healthcare. And it has everything to do with the quality of the US healthcare. If she had access to all sorts of treatments and the best healthcare and got misdiagnosed twice and died, what healthcare is an average shmuck off the street getting?

Link to said thread, and what does that have to do with me?

It tells you malpractice happens, regardless of where you are in the world, what kind of doctor you visit, or how much money you have. I guess people in the UK, Canada, or anywhere else in the world never make mistakes, just in the US?

I guess even the best never make mistakes, right?

This thread is also not about you. So what is your problem? Don't like my posts, don't read them.

It started being about me with your post:

"You are defensive of the US healthcare system today. Something you wanna tell us?"

And way to focus on that instead of the rest of what I posted.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: torpid
Huh? It's ok to misdiagnose someone twice thereby killing them because it's just a human mistake? Oops I accidentally ran over a baby in my car. It's ok though because everyone makes mistakes.

I can see them misdiagnosing it once (though it is suspicious because you'd think tylenol wouldn't do much for congested lungs, which are pretty noticeable), but twice... I mean really. People don't return to a hospital that soon unless something is seriously wrong.

Is it part of your job to run over babies in cars? Doctors make life or death decisions as a routine part of their job, and until we replace them with robots mistakes are going to occasionally occur.

Originally posted by: moshquerade
wtf? if it were your friend/relative who dropped dead after going to the docs a couple of times and being pacified and sent home you wouldn't be so cool with it.

The first word out of my mouth certainly wouldn't be, "Lawsuit!" Interesting how I'm made out to be the callous one here.

 

[ribbon13]

As BigJ and SuperTool take over the thread with nested quotes...

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: ribbon13
As BigJ and SuperTool take over the thread with nested quotes...

Fine, edit a-hoy!

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: SuperTool
US healthcare in action.

Ayup and everyone is happy and OK with it.

Chris Rock: When I was a kid, I had to be near-death to see a doctor, so my daddy got into the habit of putting Robitussin on everything, and I mean EVERYTHING!
Daddy, I got asthama! "Well here, take some Robitussin!" Daddy, I got cancer! "Here, take some Robitussin!" Daddy, I broke my leg! "Here, put some Robitussin on it... that's right, let the Robitesum sink in there."

What does your quote have to do with the US Healthcare System?

Replace Robitussin with Tylenol.

And let's replace daddy with doctor, right?

You are defensive of the US healthcare system today. Something you wanna tell us?

You're bringing your political agenda into a thread that has nothing to do with the quality of the US Healthcare System, especially considering she was a decently well-off celebrity, with access to all sorts of treatments.

It was a simple case of malpractice, which happens in every country, every single day.

Troll elsewhere.

Oh really. There was another thread about a UK girl who got misdiagnosed, and all the conservatives were blaming it on socialized healthcare. And it has everything to do with the quality of the US healthcare. If she had access to all sorts of treatments and the best healthcare and got misdiagnosed twice and died, what healthcare is an average shmuck off the street getting?

Link to said thread, and what does that have to do with me?

It tells you malpractice happens, regardless of where you are in the world, what kind of doctor you visit, or how much money you have. I guess people in the UK, Canada, or anywhere else in the world never make mistakes, just in the US?

I guess even the best never make mistakes, right?

This thread is also not about you. So what is your problem? Don't like my posts, don't read them.

It started being about me with your post:

"You are defensive of the US healthcare system today. Something you wanna tell us?"

And way to focus on that instead of the rest of what I posted.

Because you are defensive. You can't take criticism of the US healthcare system.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Because you are defensive. You can't take criticism of the US healthcare system.

Except there was no reason to criticize the US heathcare system in this place; it was a simple case of malpractice, which occurs everywhere.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Because you are defensive. You can't take criticism of the US healthcare system.

Except there was no reason to criticize the US heathcare system in this place; it was a simple case of malpractice, which occurs everywhere.

So malpractice is no reason to criticize a healthcare system? I thought it was one of the metrics for evaluating the quality of healthcare? Or do we only need to consider good outcomes?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Because you are defensive. You can't take criticism of the US healthcare system.

Except there was no reason to criticize the US heathcare system in this place; it was a simple case of malpractice, which occurs everywhere.

So malpractice is no reason to criticize a healthcare system? I thought it was one of the metrics for evaluating the quality of healthcare? Or do we only need to consider good outcomes?

So then show the facts where the US healthcare system is that much worse than all the others, using statistics regarding malpractice and other negative things.

And then do it in your own thread, not in one that doesn't have anything to do with it.

"US healthcare in action"

Your original quote was trolling, plain and simple.

 

[UNCjigga]

I do think there should be some sort of investigation if not a malpractice lawsuit. Being misdiagnosed once is common, but twice?

 

[SilverTorch]

thank you American medical system .... just take something for it, you'll be ok ... total BS

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: torpid
Huh? It's ok to misdiagnose someone twice thereby killing them because it's just a human mistake? Oops I accidentally ran over a baby in my car. It's ok though because everyone makes mistakes.

I can see them misdiagnosing it once (though it is suspicious because you'd think tylenol wouldn't do much for congested lungs, which are pretty noticeable), but twice... I mean really. People don't return to a hospital that soon unless something is seriously wrong.

Is it part of your job to run over babies in cars? Doctors make life or death decisions as a routine part of their job, and until we replace them with robots mistakes are going to occasionally occur.

Originally posted by: moshquerade
wtf? if it were your friend/relative who dropped dead after going to the docs a couple of times and being pacified and sent home you wouldn't be so cool with it.

The first word out of my mouth certainly wouldn't be, "Lawsuit!" Interesting how I'm made out to be the callous one here.

It's my job to drive to meetings frequently and not run over babies or other pedestrians along the way, yes. It is a doctor's job to treat patients and not ignore symptions and offer inadequate diagnostic procedures, yes. This is not house, md so doctors are not expected to guess what a patient's symptoms are when simple tests could determine this. If you are a programmer and are told to fix a bug that could cause people to die (yes such sitautions do exist in the biomedical field) , I can guarantee you that people would be more than a little upset if you TWICE didn't even make much effort to diagnose the problem but came up with inadequate solutions which did nothing to fix it.

No one would use the word callous as their first choice to describe your ridiculous posts in this thread, believe me.

 

[trmiv]

Hey did I tell you guys about the time I went into a thread about an actress dying, and a Politics and News thread broke out?

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: Chunkee
lawsuit!

mis diagnosed my butt

simple chest xray and blood cultures could have saved her life

this is horrible.

her poor husband

jC

i bet he's going to be a very rich man soon.

 

[dethman]

*sigh* all this is going to do is dredge up lawsuit talk. unfortunately i can't say anything without knowing the circumstances. certainly it is unfortunate for her and i hope if the doctor did the right thing it doesn't become unfortunate for him as well.

despite all we do in hospitals and the ER, doctors are not gods, they cannot know every diagnosis and despite extensive medical testing may not known she had pneumonia so severe or so rapidly progressing. very unlikely in an otherwise healthy 30 yo.

if they were negligent in their treatment however, then they do deserve to be punished.

 

[TravisT]

Sorry to hear this. I wasn't aware of it.

 

[ITJunkie]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: SuperTool
US healthcare in action.

Ayup and everyone is happy and OK with it.

:roll:

It's called malpractice, morons. In Canada, she would have died long before she could have even gotten in to see the doctor who would have misdiagnosed her as well.

I doubt it...but cling to that tired old line if it works for you.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: torpid
Huh? It's ok to misdiagnose someone twice thereby killing them because it's just a human mistake? Oops I accidentally ran over a baby in my car. It's ok though because everyone makes mistakes.

I can see them misdiagnosing it once (though it is suspicious because you'd think tylenol wouldn't do much for congested lungs, which are pretty noticeable), but twice... I mean really. People don't return to a hospital that soon unless something is seriously wrong.

Is it part of your job to run over babies in cars? Doctors make life or death decisions as a routine part of their job, and until we replace them with robots mistakes are going to occasionally occur.

Originally posted by: moshquerade
wtf? if it were your friend/relative who dropped dead after going to the docs a couple of times and being pacified and sent home you wouldn't be so cool with it.

The first word out of my mouth certainly wouldn't be, "Lawsuit!" Interesting how I'm made out to be the callous one here.

It's my job to drive to meetings frequently and not run over babies or other pedestrians along the way, yes. It is a doctor's job to treat patients and not ignore symptions and offer inadequate diagnostic procedures, yes. This is not house, md so doctors are not expected to guess what a patient's symptoms are when simple tests could determine this. If you are a programmer and are told to fix a bug that could cause people to die (yes such sitautions do exist in the biomedical field) , I can guarantee you that people would be more than a little upset if you TWICE didn't even make much effort to diagnose the problem but came up with inadequate solutions which did nothing to fix it.

No one would use the word callous as their first choice to describe your ridiculous posts in this thread, believe me.

It's a doctor's job to play God with every person they see, and the law of averages says that sometimes they'll screw up. What exactly does screaming, "Lawsuit!" accomplish in this situation other than to drive up costs for everyone and discourage a few more people from practicing? It's pathetic how automatic a reaction it's become to sue, sue, sue.

I am a programmer, and I do occasionally run into a client who aggrandizes his intelligence and expertise into things they have little clue about while railing away about some problem. I correct the error if I can, free of charge if the situation warrants. I can only feel sympathy for the doctors who go through ten years of schooling and act as hundreds of people's last chance to cling to life daily while ignorant people with dollar signs in their heads scream, "LAWSUIT!" the second an error is made - and yet we don't even know the full specifics of the situation. Now that's ridiculous.

 

[TheNinja]

oh man...that's a real martha focker

 

[saxophonoia]

wow that sucks big time. Hate to see someone so young die of something like that.

 

[chrisms]

Doctors are people, too. I wouldn't expect anything to be seriously wrong with a good looking 30-year old woman either.

 

[ribbon13]

Originally posted by: chrisms
Doctors are people, too. I wouldn't expect anything to be seriously wrong with a good looking 30-year old woman either.

But an ugly one might have some disease? :roll:

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: chrisms
Doctors are people, too. I wouldn't expect anything to be seriously wrong with a good looking 30-year old woman either.

I would tend to have the same opinion as you, but the fact that she came back a second time still with problems tends to raise an eyebrow. Had it happened after the first consultation I wouldn't fling the "M" word around.

The fact that it slipped by after a second visit changes my opinion.

 

[JDub02]

sad

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: yllus
It's a doctor's job to play God with every person they see, and the law of averages says that sometimes they'll screw up. What exactly does screaming, "Lawsuit!" accomplish in this situation other than to drive up costs for everyone and discourage a few more people from practicing? It's pathetic how automatic a reaction it's become to sue, sue, sue.

I am a programmer, and I do occasionally run into a client who aggrandizes his intelligence and expertise into things they have little clue about while railing away about some problem. I correct the error if I can, free of charge if the situation warrants. I can only feel sympathy for the doctors who go through ten years of schooling and act as hundreds of people's last chance to cling to life daily while ignorant people with dollar signs in their heads scream, "LAWSUIT!" the second an error is made - and yet we don't even know the full specifics of the situation. Now that's ridiculous.

No it is not the doctor's job to play god with everyone they see. It is their job to play scientist. They look at evidence thoroughly and come to a conclusion. This is different than making random guesses or arbitrary decisions.

Like a programmer, a doctor should have certain methods in place to prevent such outcomes. I don't know about you, but I've had bronchitis AND pneumonia several times in my life. It is not difficult to tell the difference even as the kid who HAS the symptoms. In every case, I was hospitalized at least for several hours and monitored. I don't recall ever being told to take tylenol for a lung disorder.