Microsoft beheads black man

Stuxnet

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You really have to wonder what someone was thinking. Out there somewhere is an ad manager who thought to himself, "you know, I really don't think black people are the image we want for our Polish market."
 

Stuxnet

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Repost? I did a search and came up with nothing .

If it's a repost, please lock/delete mods.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
Repost? I did a search and came up with nothing .

If it's a repost, please lock/delete mods.

There is a big thread in OT on it, but I dont think I have seen one in P&N.
 

StageLeft

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It was still on ms.com until this morning. I think it's awesome, especially since they kept his black hands. How embarrassing for ms.
 

rudder

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I suppose the Polish black community will be in an uproar..... well, all 6 of them.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: rudder
I suppose the Polish black community will be in an uproar..... well, all 6 of them.

Let's start with a note that it's not a sinister act. Companies make ads that are effective, and part of that is using models the people relate to. If there was an ad in Japan, would it likely have Japanese models, or Whites or Hispanic? And if there was an in Mexico, would it have Hispanic models or Japanese?

This was rather an issue of economy, not racism, just making the 'local ad' too cheaply.

But to look for some interesting questions, one is how advertising is not that rational, it's propaganda. Why does it matter what race the models are, to the merit of the product?

Another is, how might the policies of a nation like Poland be affected by not having many blacks? Does it affect their policies Africa, how blacks are treated in their nation?

In the US we've had a terrible time addressing racial discrimination and we've had blacks here since long before the US was created. How might a nation who doesn't deal with race?

Another is, what role does advertising play in perpetuating the lack of tolerance for minorities, racial or otherwise? For example, in a time when a young woman getting pregnant out of wedlock was great shame, and she was often sent out of town secretly, our television shows did not allow showing a married man and woman in the same bed, did not allow the word 'pregnant'. For decades of television while gay bigotry raged, the idea of an openly gay character was forbidden.

Until recent years, the idea of showing an interracial couple in an ad was pretty much forbidden as well - and still seems only a somewhat 'cutting edge' ad.

So if, say, 3% of Americans are in same-sex relationships, but 0.01% of advertising showing couples shows a same-sex couiple, what effect does that have on people's attitudes towards them- when you so often hear phrases like 'it's just not normal', how much of that is influenced by advertising giving them that message, when if they saw them in ads, it might 'legitimize' them?

There's a little-recognized social influence of advertising completely out of the hands of democracy, in terms of what messages the advertisers choose to reinforce.

Now that advertisers have embraced that the cost of white-only advertising exceeds the benefits, we're all familiar with the 'ad groups' with one asian, one black, etc.

But look for the overweight person in just about any ad, unless the person is there to be shown as overweight, like for a diet product. How does that affect society's attitudes?

Look for the handicapped person, the blind person, the nose ring person - these all send 'messages'.

Note how rarely tv characters have political discussions, to avoid offending any of the advertising targets, unless it's a carefully selected part of the show, like Archie Bunker or Boston Law. What message does that send? The loyalty of the television is to the sellers of products - except on non-sommerical tv like HBO, where, surprise, we see the better political shows, but even non-commercial networks have to get an audience and can only go so far in 'pushing' their audience to watch things challenging their attitudes.

While I'm not saying we should pass a law about it, I tihnk it's important to note the issue and how it affects attitudes.
 

StageLeft

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Further to Craig I would in fact say there is an argument for laws against marketing. If not now, in the future. Marketing aims to manipulate psychology. As it becomes more effective it becomes harder to resist. I may call you weak for buying a car because it was flashy on an ad but what if a marketing company has tracked my spending patterns for so long that they know me better than I do and their next ad hits at the heart of what I do not even appreciate on a conscious level, they are manipulating me and increasing influence to the point it becomes harder to resist their product. Perhaps they see my spending habits and see that I just started kicking smoking recently and, with the ability to customize advertising at the personal level, they engage in a massive onslaught of smoking ads. Or drinking, or eating or whatever. Maybe it's 7:00 pm and I'm hungry and holy crap that mcdonalds burger just looks freaking good. Oh you didn't see the ad? No, for you they showed you what looks to be a very tasty beer. I know you're trying to quit, but hey that looks good.

I really have a lot of concern for where advertising is going. Some of it is downright nasty and it will only get better, as technology gives it more power and psychology is better understood. It inundates us so severely already.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Further to Craig I would in fact say there is an argument for laws against marketing. If not now, in the future. Marketing aims to manipulate psychology. As it becomes more effective it becomes harder to resist. I may call you weak for buying a car because it was flashy on an ad but what if a marketing company has tracked my spending patterns for so long that they know me better than I do and their next ad hits at the heart of what I do not even appreciate on a conscious level, they are manipulating me and increasing influence to the point it becomes harder to resist their product. Perhaps they see my spending habits and see that I just started kicking smoking recently and, with the ability to customize advertising at the personal level, they engage in a massive onslaught of smoking ads. Or drinking, or eating or whatever. Maybe it's 7:00 pm and I'm hungry and holy crap that mcdonalds burger just looks freaking good. Oh you didn't see the ad? No, for you they showed you what looks to be a very tasty beer. I know you're trying to quit, but hey that looks good.

I really have a lot of concern for where advertising is going. Some of it is downright nasty and it will only get better, as technology gives it more power and psychology is better understood. It inundates us so severely already.

You should read Walter Lippman's "Public Opinion", for remarkable information on how the issue has been around from the 1920's.

When he saw the way the government used propaganda blunt force - thousands of hired speech givers around the country - to change the public opinion on entering WWI (after Wilson's re-election campaign slogan had been 'He Kept Us Out Of War'), Lippman was concerned how rationality was defeated by the advertising approaches and the threat that was to democracy. He took a look at how challenged the citizen who is supposed to vote the right way is to get good information, with limited time and filtered sources.
 

Balt

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Yeah it is a repost from OT, but I got a grin from your title/subtitle so :beer:
 

BarrySotero

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Seems like every ad I see for a university in US features a black guy and a blond. I could almost assume white guys stopped going to college. chop-shopping in a white guy for Poland seems fine. Advertising is getting weirder every year.
 
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