Then maybe you should quit saying that dps meters are evil and take up your fight against Rift who actually puts scrolling combat text and a combat log in the game. The info is already there thanks to Trion, wanting a meter to parse it better is part of the natural progression. Those of us who want a dps meter are not asking for anything that isn't already basically in the game. There is no mystery in Rift to begin with.
Quite possibly the worst analogy I've ever read, and I've come up with some pretty bad ones myself.
I don't get the whole raiding thing... It's not that much fun to begin with, much less with you obsessed powergamers turning raids into spreadsheets.
One thing I love about this game is when an invasion hits, you suddenly see people appearing out of the woodwork for the zone you're in. I was grabbing achievements in Moonshade Highlands, a 35-40ish area and saw almost nobody while I was riding around. Large scale invasion popped up and there were suddenly in excess of 30 people fighting the big bad guy.
So tell me then - why are you focussing on hit and toughness if DPS is so unimportant?
Why play the game at all? Just get a program that generates numbers based on pressing keys on your keyboard and try to get the highest numbers. Do that networked with a bunch of other people and kick them if their numbers drop off. Sounds like fun.
um. toughness so i don't get crit when tanking. hit, so i can actually hit mobs. once i'm hitting them, the dps comes along naturally? do i need to draw diagrams?
Wrong, you're not duplicating abilities. There are plenty of abilities that are necessary in both trees, not to mention passives that both increase your overall effectiveness. I'm 22 assassin to permanent stealth, 32 nightblade for nuking and death/fire damage boosts (stops at fell blades - necessary for PvP) and remainder bladedancer for defensive purposes.Why would you combine assassin, blade dancer, and nightblade? You're just duplicating abilities. I have blade dancer, ranger, and bard. The vast majority of the points are in BD and the R and B are just for specific things like healing with cadence and the pet
Absolutely true. In general, no game needs meters of any sort, but they are a quick, mathematical, visual representation of what's going on. Obviously this "no health bars argument" is just absurd and shouldn't even come into the conversation. If you want to go back to keeping exact tabs on HPs then you tabletop. Enough said. DPS meters are nothing more than a tool on how to improve your rotation or which abilities you like or dislike. Once it becomes a pissing contest everyone gets all up-in-arms about it and dismisses its usefulness. I'm curious on how I stack up to others or which abilities are the most effective. I'm sorry if I like to be my best and improve on whatever I'm doing?This threat meter argument is funny. No, GOOD players don't require addons to raid. However, the majority of players are neither good nor ready for end game content. Therefore, addons give them a much needed handicap because advice always falls on deaf ears. If Trion wants the majority of players to stay with the game and do end game content (and get those purples they love), they are going to either have the game so easy all the good players will leave, or allow some sort of handicap system (such as addons) be available to help those that aren't smart enough to understand standing in fire is bad.
Very much wrong. Not in all MMOs are you spoon fed directions on what exactly you need to do and given every chance +infinity to advance your character without tribulation. For example, play FFXI then tell me that line with sincerity. (Especially prior to the advent of kill tasks that divided the community from partying together and made more people solo task their classes to cap.)Levelling in all MMOs is a joke simply because of how they work. It is entirely ridiculous to have these spread-out mobs that will happily ignore you as you deal out death only a few yards away from them.
If you (in general) need something to teach you (in general) about threat, then you (in general) obviously are an idiot (in general). Really. In no way - ever - should you be a gamer, and be allowed to not understand that you can or can't take damage properly. This is a pretty basic understanding you learn within 5 seconds of playing any game. [The (in generals) are for moderators who want to jump on personal attack modding.]This wasn't just about threat meters, it was about all add-ons.
However there is nothing in the game that teaches players about threat at all. I haven't even seen it mentioned on any of my mage spells.
This game, as well as any other, doesn't need threat meters. When I'm tanking and I lose threat, I taunt and up my game or tell the party to give me at least 2 seconds before they go DPSlolCRAZY when I pull. Common sense > threat meters. But hey, most people don't have that now-a-days anyways.
Why is WoW the most common MMO out there? Because they cater to the lowest common denominator and thus allow the most amount of players to enjoy the game. While that's what some people want, not everyone wants that. Why is Rift doing well from launch? Because they used very similar tactics that Blizzard did: fix bugs A.S.A.P. for a smooth launch; and modeled their UI/gameplay to that which the majority of the MMO gamer uses: I.E. WoW.
Very much wrong. Not in all MMOs are you spoon fed directions on what exactly you need to do and given every chance +infinity to advance your character without tribulation. For example, play FFXI then tell me that line with sincerity. (Especially prior to the advent of kill tasks that divided the community from partying together and made more people solo task their classes to cap.)
If you (in general) need something to teach you (in general) about threat, then you (in general) obviously are an idiot (in general). Really. In no way - ever - should you be a gamer, and be allowed to not understand that you can or can't take damage properly. This is a pretty basic understanding you learn within 5 seconds of playing any game. [The (in generals) are for moderators who want to jump on personal attack modding.]
Also, I see a lot of your remarks resulting in "straw-man" and that needs to stop, please.
Well people need to stop setting strawmen up first.
straw man noun
Definition of STRAW MAN
1: a weak or imaginary opposition (as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted
2: a person set up to serve as a cover for a usually questionable transaction
No, WoW is the most popular MMO because it caters to a broad range of players. You have the easy questing and then you have the raids for the raiders.
I'd have used that argument with Vanilla WoW. Now, I'm not sure WHAT they are thinking, every quest is only obtainable when it is trivial to solo with a few rare exceptions which are clearly labeled as group quests. Back in vanilla, the cool thing was a lot of quests had minimum levels much lower than the level you *should* be doing them, so if you wanted a bit of a challenge you could try to do those orange or even red quests. Seems to no longer be the case, due to minimum levels being bumped up and the entire quest experience running on rails so you can't skip a single quest while you do a zone.
What is wrong with all quests being trivially easy? It diminishes rewards and advancement. For me, it's incredibly satisfying when you level up and get a new spell that makes "mob X" which was previously a very hard solo kill much easier to deal with. It's satisfying to feel real progress. You don't feel this in WoW until you reach the heroic dungeons/raids game, because everything up to that point is so easy.
Compared to that, questing in rift is a breath of fresh air. There ARE some hard non-elite solo mobs. You CAN do quests that are over your level" You CAN skip some of the mindless gather quests without screwing yourself, because the quest system isn't on rails.
But to be fair, it's not all better on Rift. While I hate WoW's trivially easy quests, the one thing I appreciated was that with all the XP bonus heirlooms and guild perks and newly designed dungeons, you could easily level entirely through dungeon runs and skip world questing. Can't say the same for Rift, the dungeons just don't give enough XP to make them an effective alternative unless you are willing to grind the same dungeon over and over 20+ times.
I'd have used that argument with Vanilla WoW. Now, I'm not sure WHAT they are thinking, every quest is only obtainable when it is trivial to solo with a few rare exceptions which are clearly labeled as group quests. Back in vanilla, the cool thing was a lot of quests had minimum levels much lower than the level you *should* be doing them, so if you wanted a bit of a challenge you could try to do those orange or even red quests. Seems to no longer be the case, due to minimum levels being bumped up and the entire quest experience running on rails so you can't skip a single quest while you do a zone.
Rhezuss, I'm in a similar boat.
I'd like to see something similar to weapon damage/delay. Have them there, just hide it from the user. If they want to know how a weapon performs, try it out, see if things die faster or slower.
They did that in Asheron's call (sort of) even though that game was heavy on numbers and a spreadsheet for the most part, you needed a skill to ID some weapons you found, and early in the game, people didn't have those skills high enough. So you'd get a sword that could not be identified, and you'd just have to try it out to see how it performed. You knew it was good because of the skill needed to IT, but then you'd find another sword that you could not identify and you had to try it out and see which one would be better by just equiping the thing and killing mobs... Then pick and choose which one was the best. No numbers, no "DPS" rating, nothing. Just try it out, and pick.
This goes for everyone else arguing the topic. It serves no more purpose here. Can we PLEASE get back to discussing Rift, and particularly the game itself - NOT addons that will never be coming?
Started up a Warlock/Necro last night. What's a good 3rd soul for that combo? The suggested one is the one that does healing (not Archon).
Regarding artifacts, should I just be collecting all of them that I find? Or can they be traded/sold and so I should only concentrate on certain sets?
How do you tell which quests you can skip? I know while playing that new quests wouldn't open up until i finished a particular quest.
How do you tell which quests you can skip? I know while playing that new quests wouldn't open up until i finished a particular quest.
An MMO without health bars? It would have to be completely turn based else people would die all of the time.
Might as well go old school - table top, snail mail, email, etc..