[MMO] World of Tanks

[stag3]

what a shitty weekend event lol
just 3x crew xp for the most part....

 

[biostud]

Hehe, just had a round with 7K in my FV185b 183.

 

[microAmp]

what a shitty weekend event lol
just 3x crew xp for the most part....

For EU or NA? Or is it always the same? Either way, sort of disappointing with D-Day anniversary being tomorrow. I was hoping for some x2 XP so I can get Jackson TD, just got the XP requirements for Hellcat last night. Plus I want to get the T1 Heavy overwith, I'm not liking that one, one bit and may go M4 medium and split back down to T28 (T29).

 

[z1ggy]

Guys the game keeps freezing on me and shutting down. Happened a bunch of times over the last few days. I checked my task manager and my CPU and memory use is only at like 40%..So not sure if this is a hardware of something going on with the game thing... :-/

 

[Skott]

I been playing the 4502 Auf B lately. Learning what it can and cannot do. Great in the towns where I can side scrape. In the open areas its tougher. Nothing to side scrape on if no rocks around. Trying to hull down as much as possible. Often just hiding behind a dead tank. This tank is really making me learn how to side scrape better. Not fully upgraded yet. Decent speed but slow to turn. Driver needs clutch breaking skill badly. Off-Road Driving wouldn't hurt either. There are times when its badass and other times it sucks horribly. You really need to know how to drive a tank like this to succeed. Personal skills get tested a lot. For me anyway.

 

[Blintok]

So i had a documentary on pvr i finally got around to watching. About Wargaming. A 1 hr show about World of Tanks. Gained alot of respect about this game and learned much i did not know. Game made in Ukraine. The amount of attention to detail was impressive. Almost nitpicking the way they make sure all is historically accurate. From placement of hinges to sounds. They actually ride on the real tanks and capture the sounds from various places.

The one thing i do not know is how the damage models are. Like is a King Tiger as powerful as in RL compared to a Sherman? Even at close range with the easy eight (M4a3e8) shots should bounce off the front armor of the Tiger 2. How accurate is world of tanks in that regard?

 

[gammaray]

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The one thing i do not know is how the damage models are. Like is a King Tiger as powerful as in RL compared to a Sherman? Even at close range with the easy eight (M4a3e8) shots should bounce off the front armor of the Tiger 2. How accurate is world of tanks in that regard?

well, they used tiers. A tiger is a tier 7, while an IS (joseph stalin) is also a tier 7. But during ww2, tigers were released during 1942 and fought vs t-34 and kv-1, which were no match. ISs (Kv-85 which was rename to IS and later were all converted to IS-2 with a bigger gun ) were released in early 1944 almost 2 years later.

So as you can see, in theory they should not be in the same tier, if historical accuracy was relevant, but the game would be unfair at 15 vs 15. The system of match making would need to be changed, so 4-5 tigers would fight vs 15 t-34s etc.

 

[mooncancook]

The one thing i do not know is how the damage models are. Like is a King Tiger as powerful as in RL compared to a Sherman? Even at close range with the easy eight (M4a3e8) shots should bounce off the front armor of the Tiger 2. How accurate is world of tanks in that regard?

In WOT the E8 actually will meet a Tiger 2, and pretty much every shot will bounce off the front armor of Tiger 2. Only way an E8 can hurt the Tiger is by flanking its side or rear.

Most production AT guns will likely have historical data on how much armor they can pen through field tests, and then we also have historical data of the armor thickness of the tanks and the angle of the armor. So it is not hard to simulate mathematically. On the other hand, the hit points are totally fictional. Real tanks don't have HP, and can't magically repair its tracks. In the real world, a Tiger 2 will one shot an E8, while in WOT it can't because of HP. WOT is not a hard core tank sim, so the implementation of HP is just fine.

 

[microAmp]

well, they used tiers. A tiger is a tier 7, while an IS (joseph stalin) is also a tier 7. But during ww2, tigers were released during 1942 and fought vs t-34 and kv-1, which were no match. ISs (Kv-85 which was rename to IS and later were all converted to IS-2 with a bigger gun ) were released in early 1944 almost 2 years later.

So as you can see, in theory they should not be in the same tier, if historical accuracy was relevant, but the game would be unfair at 15 vs 15. The system of match making would need to be changed, so 4-5 tigers would fight vs 15 t-34s etc.

WoT has "historical battles", same maps you play but a limit on what tanks go against each other. I tried it once, saw same map as before and didn't bother with it ever since. From what I hear, selecting a medium take will give you a better chance of getting and playing more often than a heavy tank, for historical battles.

 

[Keeper]

Question. Light Tanks Tier 4... Useless? Or did I pick a bad tank?
I do OK in lights. I like them. UP TILL NOW.
Zip around. Get credit for spotting, do a little damage..... Get a kill every now and then....
Shesh. Tier 4.
That bounced.
We didn't even scratch them.
We didn't penetrate their armor.

I have been playing the American line. So I just got a M5. Worst pick up so far.

Any help out there?

 

[gammaray]

Question. Light Tanks Tier 4... Useless? Or did I pick a bad tank?
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I have been playing the American line. So I just got a M5. Worst pick up so far.

Any help out there?

Light tanks are mostly used for scouting. you can deal damage here and there if you sneak behind an enemy, but the main role is to be eyes for your team, you collect experience due to damage that was dealt by your scouting. If you wanna get really good at it, i suggest you drive a few good light tanks without ammo on purpose.

you can do it by having a crew at 100% camo and you stop in a bush with optics or/and binoculars and remain there. Or you can be active and zooming around with optics by keeping a safe distance, just enough to spot the enemy without them being able to shoot you.

 

[stag3]

oh god the indien is rough to play, shit alpha gun and 172k needed to get to the PTA


nothing beats the japanese line tho, holy pos tanks, low alpha, shit armor, rof is awesome every 3 sec but 130dmg ftl.

im close to giving up but i free xp'd to the tier 7 with the 3 shot autoloader lol....the STB-1 better be worth it

 

[Skott]

oh god the indien is rough to play, shit alpha gun and 172k needed to get to the PTA


nothing beats the japanese line tho, holy pos tanks, low alpha, shit armor, rof is awesome every 3 sec but 130dmg ftl.

im close to giving up but i free xp'd to the tier 7 with the 3 shot autoloader lol....the STB-1 better be worth it

The Indien needs to be played as a sniper to get its full potential. Get camo training and a camo net on it. And unfortunately the PTA isn't all that great either.

 

[PowerYoga]

well, they used tiers. A tiger is a tier 7, while an IS (joseph stalin) is also a tier 7. But during ww2, tigers were released during 1942 and fought vs t-34 and kv-1, which were no match. ISs (Kv-85 which was rename to IS and later were all converted to IS-2 with a bigger gun ) were released in early 1944 almost 2 years later

Eh, the IS was designed as a tiger killer and was it's contemporary in battle, but it didn't do very well against their armor and they were mostly used as fortification killers (like the SU-152s). I think them being in the same tier is fine.

 

[gammaray]

Eh, the IS was designed as a tiger killer and was it's contemporary in battle, but it didn't do very well against their armor and they were mostly used as fortification killers (like the SU-152s). I think them being in the same tier is fine.

it's fine but, like i said, it came out much later during the war. So for 1 year and a half - which is pretty long considering germany and russia fought for roughly 4 years - the tiger fought vs t-34 and kv1...

 

[PowerYoga]

it's fine but, like i said, it came out much later during the war. So for 1 year and a half - which is pretty long considering germany and russia fought for roughly 4 years - the tiger fought vs t-34 and kv1...

The tigers DESTROYED T-34s and Kv1s. Absolutely ruined them. The T-34/76s were not a match for the tiger at all by a longshot and the T-34/85 produced later didn't fare well against the panthers/tigers either. I think the tiering for T-34 and 34-85 (tier 5 and 6) is appropriate considering how they performed versus the tigers.

The tiger also fought M4 shermans, cromwells, churchills, crusaders, lees... etc. That doesn't mean they should be the same tier.

The tiering isn't by date, its more by performance and how "tough" the tank was.

 

[gammaray]

The tigers DESTROYED T-34s and Kv1s. Absolutely ruined them. The T-34/76s were not a match for the tiger at all by a longshot and the T-34/85 produced later didn't fare well against the panthers/tigers either. I think the tiering for T-34 and 34-85 (tier 5 and 6) is appropriate considering how they performed versus the tigers.

The tiger also fought M4 shermans, cromwells, churchills, crusaders, lees... etc. That doesn't mean they should be the same tier.

The tiering isn't by date, its more by performance and how "tough" the tank was.

i know that, i know how the game works, i have over 20k games played. but historically, t-34 and tigers should be in the same tier and the panther should be one tier higher. the later had a better gun, better sloped frontal armor and of course was developed and arrived at the front later.

Like i explained, they could not do that with a 15 vs 15 match maker. so ultimately, for fairness, a tiger is 2 tier higher than what it fought most, t-34s and kv-1...

 

[Possessed Freak]

but historically, t-34 and tigers should be in the same tier and the panther should be one tier higher.

Wat?

If you really want to have KV's and T-34s routinely fight tigers, they can... in historical battle mode.

Date is only one way to attempt to tier the tanks. However, some nations were running complete obsolete crap at the same dates. Look at the Japanese tanks "historically" and realize they were woefully inadequate to deal with tanks the US were producing at the beginning of the war.

The Italians? Complete crap except the 90mm gun they threw on any chassis that could mount it.

So based on year released, both Japanese and Italians would be running riveted hull tanks against Panthers, Pershings, and IS's. Yeah. That would go over well.

 

[PowerYoga]

i know that, i know how the game works, i have over 20k games played. but historically, t-34 and tigers should be in the same tier and the panther should be one tier higher. the later had a better gun, better sloped frontal armor and of course was developed and arrived at the front later.

Like i explained, they could not do that with a 15 vs 15 match maker. so ultimately, for fairness, a tiger is 2 tier higher than what it fought most, t-34s and kv-1...

First of all, I'm not talking about the game at all. I'm talking about historical performance of the tanks. Why would the number of games you played matter at all when we're talking about historical combat details?

And why would you tier tanks by date instead of performance? That's a rather obtuse way of ranking the tanks. Considering how France had absolutely no tank production and the japanese and chinese had nothing even remotely comparable to the sherman, which dates as far back as 1942. Nevermind the italian tanks were absolutely shit.

By your logic the M4 with the 76mm (introduced in 1944) should be tiered the same as king tigers. Yeah that'll turn out well.

 

[Daverino]

oh god the indien is rough to play, shit alpha gun and 172k needed to get to the PTA


nothing beats the japanese line tho, holy pos tanks, low alpha, shit armor, rof is awesome every 3 sec but 130dmg ftl.

im close to giving up but i free xp'd to the tier 7 with the 3 shot autoloader lol....the STB-1 better be worth it

Indien and the Japanese mediums have some of the best gun depression in the game. These tanks are made to fight on the back sides of hills and as snipers. They are not brawlers, although the Chi-Ri, despite its size and lack of armor can brawl because of its burst alpha. Don't underestimate the Chi-Ri's ability to throw out 400 damage in a three second burst, especially at close range.

The Japanese line gets very nice starting with the STA-1. The gun on it probably the best T8 medium gun in the game and the Tier X gun for the Type 61 and STB is even better.

 

[gammaray]

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By your logic the M4 with the 76mm (introduced in 1944) should be tiered the same as king tigers. Yeah that'll turn out well.

as i said (sigh) i understand why the tiering was done this way, what i don't understand is why you keep coming at me, like i don't.

anyways, the americans HAD to fight panthers and tigers with their shermans, that was the reality back then. you know that, i know that etc.

So historically talking, they should be in the same tier and france, japan etc would have nothing at all going up in tier, so what?

what i'm saying is the match maker, to go with historical fights, would have to work with points for example instead of tier. Like a tiger worth 100 points, a t-34 could be worth 25 points, and then when the match maker reaches 1000 points on each side, it would start...i haven't thought this thru...just an idea like that.

 

[PowerYoga]

Sorry, I was under the impression you were talking about the in-game tiering since that's what everyone is talking about. What I don't understand is why you think all tanks designed in the same era should be treated equally (be put into the same tier) and your train of thought is confusing and disjointed.

WOT already has a historical battle mode and it's a big flop for the most part.

 

[Possessed Freak]

as i said (sigh) i understand why the tiering was done this way, what i don't understand is why you keep coming at me, like i don't.

anyways, the americans HAD to fight panthers and tigers with their shermans, that was the reality back then. you know that, i know that etc.

So historically talking, they should be in the same tier and france, japan etc would have nothing at all going up in tier, so what?

what i'm saying is the match maker, to go with historical fights, would have to work with points for example instead of tier. Like a tiger worth 100 points, a t-34 could be worth 25 points, and then when the match maker reaches 1000 points on each side, it would start...i haven't thought this thru...just an idea like that.

Okay, MM does assign weights to tanks. A tier 5 medium is weighted slightly less than a tier 5 heavy. They are weighted significantly less than a tier 7 tank. *supposedly* MM makes a game of so much weight and gets teams comprised of tanks that are close to the total weight. Hence the possibility of +/- a few of the same tier tanks on each team. Other team has an extra 7, but it is a medium and ours gets two extra tier 6 heavies... of course MM does do dumps that make obscenely imbalanced matches.

Historical Battle mode DOES your idea though. There will be many T-34's or M4's against a few tigers, JT88s, or even a Ferdi. The T34's might get *a* single SU 152.

In reality though, a properly played Tiger or even better, Ferdi/JT88 should be able to hold off a horde of pubbies playing tier 5 tanks. Coordinated though, the superior numbers should win.

 

[gammaray]

to clarify, it's simple, i think their match maker isn't reflective of what was going on during ww2, (yes i know it's not a game of ww2, but they use ww2 tanks so.) when the fighting occurred during specific years of the war.

if it has been my game, i would have put the tiger in the same tier as t-34 and kv1.

Their game is composed of at least 50% blue prints, and pure fictional tanks, so it just doesn't matter how they tiered it, it's obvious to me, that they didn't not try to devise a game according history. Like arty, it got gps, satellite view, can see fences being crushed and where tanks are going, all this 500 meters away, behind a mountain...lol.

take the Hetzer, it's a tier 4 (!) and it came out in early 1944, with a very sloped frontal armor, something like 60mm at 60 degree (or 50 not sure) giving it more than 100mm frontal armor.

anyways, i wrote here first to answer the guy asking how accurate was WoT, sherman easy 8 vs tiger 2. well, my answer what meant to say, it's not accurate since they aren't in the same tier (while they should have been imho) in WoT the easy 8 is 2 tier lower, so it won't be matched vs king tigers very often (it will be T34, T69, pershing etc.)

 

[Possessed Freak]

It would be a slaughter, like it was in history, having shit russian tanks and unprepared US/UK tanks fight Tigers. Again, it is in the game in *HISTORICAL MODE*. If you want to play a crapton of 5s against a few 7's, play that mode. It is how it went down in history... can the horde of shit take on a few amazing tanks? Play it out and it gets boring fast. If the horde is coordinated, the few tanks go down like a cheap hooker. If the pubbies attack one at a time, it is a slaughter the other way.

If World of Battleships came out "historically" then the US would be the only navy to have decent AA, the Italian fleet would sit unused until sunk, and the Japanese fleet, while impressive on paper would have such shit fire control that it couldn't hit anything. That makes for AMAZING gameplay. Right?

History does not an interesting game make.