[MMO] World of Tanks

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Possessed Freak

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Sorry but i have to disagree. Even tho i enjoy 1 or 2 games out of 10 in WoT, the rest being fail teams or fail driving by me, there are many MMOs out there who charge 15$ a month with every game content accessible to paying customers, and they survive of thrive pretty well (like WoW).
If you are only enjoying 20% of your games, perhaps you should stop playing?

I had some epic losses (and one epic win) last night. 6k damage in a 50b loss, 8k damage in my 183 loss. And a 3k damage win in my M10 wolverine (controlled mid on Redshire, only spotted when I advanced into their spawn).
 

stag3

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WT can't really be compared to WoT, yet. They just barely started their closed beta for tanks, and I won't try to draw any conclusions until the open beta has been out for a month. Now, you could compare it to WoWP, which generally goes badly for WG, but that's still a different subject.

yea warthunder shits over wowp badly, i'm waiting to see how it does once tanks are finally in game, so we can then compare it to wot
 

stag3

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well i fully realize people have the right to spend their money how they want. However, i don't understand it. For example there's a guy in my clan with all the freaking tanks in the game, spent over 10k on the game, total non-sense to me.

yea that's a little over board, i have a friend that spent over 15k to gear up his demon hunter in diablo 3. i never spent a dime in D3 outside of the initial cost to buy the game. i did however spend money that i earned selling in the RMAH to buy shit but that is a wash for me as it wasn't money i put in. i still ended up making over $800 total from the RMAH before i quit D3 though
 

stag3

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i bought a type59 back in the day when i decided to join a clan and play clan wars. now that's all that keeps me going because it's like hanging out with a bunch of friends,in total i think i've spent about $350 or so on this game over the past 2+ years. i blow more than that in a month for lunch so it's worth it to me.

i had a 6500 dmg game in my amx50b in a loss the other night also, i dunno what it is about the tank, i can dish out dmg and take out tanks but i seem to lose more often than not.

i did have an epic game in the maus, it was encounter on murovanka.
right off i went to the cap and parked angled and sat there the entire match. dished out 4500dmg and my potential damage taken was 18.5k LMAO. the best is when you get the angle just perfect and bounce all 3 shots from a foch155 and they start bitching.
 

PowerYoga

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well i fully realize people have the right to spend their money how they want. However, i don't understand it. For example there's a guy in my clan with all the freaking tanks in the game, spent over 10k on the game, total non-sense to me.

He obviously likes the game enough to pay money for it, why is that so hard to understand? Maybe you can understand people spending money on things they like? You know, hobbies like cars, models, RC cars or internet tanks? He obviously likes to collect tanks and you're pretty much just being a total ass about it. Not everyone has to spend money according to your standards.
 

Fire&Blood

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He obviously likes the game enough to pay money for it, why is that so hard to understand? Maybe you can understand people spending money on things they like? You know, hobbies like cars, models, RC cars or internet tanks? He obviously likes to collect tanks and you're pretty much just being a total ass about it. Not everyone has to spend money according to your standards.

Normally I would agree but it has a negative effect on gaming for him, me, you and everyone else. When people get milked by games like WOT, it sends the wrong message to developers and publishers.

If the impact was isolated to within WOT, I wouldn't mind, it's his money. I privately may perceive it as a waste of money but I'm not in the position to judge anyone for spending $500 or $5000 on it.

The problem is that having individuals spending that kind of money is causing a change for the worse in the industry. Games are focusing on milking cash cows and as a result, micro transactions are expanding past F2P/P2W titles, now they are being stacked upon regular "$59.99" titles.

This guy has absolutely nailed the issue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61une0e-hq4


Why are micro transactions evil? Would anyone pick up a copy of WOT in local Best Buy if it had a $1200 price tag on it, either straight up or with a $40 monthly installment plan? What Valve did with TF2 is the exception, if that was the rule I would shut up about this. Micro transactions are a cancer to gaming and every time someone opens their valet they are sabotaging future titles for all of us.
 
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stag3

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but you don't HAVE to pay money to play tanks, the grind is longer to get to tier X's but it can be done, you just have to play lower tiers to fund playing higher ones, i got my first tier X w/o spending a dime.

having said that i wish i'd paid 60 for the game, and maybe something for expansions instead of a monthly thing kinda like how guild wars 1 was.
 

PowerYoga

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Why are micro transactions evil? Would anyone pick up a copy of WOT in local Best Buy if it had a $1200 price tag on it, either straight up or with a $40 monthly installment plan? What Valve did with TF2 is the exception, if that was the rule I would shut up about this. Micro transactions are a cancer to gaming and every time someone opens their valet they are sabotaging future titles for all of us.

Straight up false for WOT. There are plenty of games that are cancerous to the gaming scene with the way they do micro-transactions and WOT is not one of them. I'd look at EA and Activision as some of the worst offenders.

You don't need to pay anything to play the game. You can pay exactly 0 dollars and still have the same tier 10 tank that's competitive in the same way shape and form as the guy next to you who paid $1000. You can buy camouflage, premium consumables, ammo, tanks, etc... all the same way.

The only difference is you won't have some tanks that other people are driving, like the T-34, Lowe, which are arguably not as good as same tier vehicles (I know there are exceptions, but the vast majority of the premium vehicles suck).

WOT is micro-transactions done right. WOT has an effective price tag of ZERO when you want to experience the end game the same way as everyone else, just at a more time-consuming rate.
 

gammaray

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but you don't HAVE to pay money to play tanks, the grind is longer to get to tier X's but it can be done, you just have to play lower tiers to fund playing higher ones, i got my first tier X w/o spending a dime.

having said that i wish i'd paid 60 for the game, and maybe something for expansions instead of a monthly thing kinda like how guild wars 1 was.

yes but realize that guy like me, who don't convert gold into free experience, to get new op tier Xs when war gaming releases them, will take 5-6 months or so from scratch to grind it, by then, it has been nerfed a little. Now you have people opening their wallet who get tanks the very first day a new one come out. Fair? i don't think so.
 

stag3

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i don't see how that matters much, unless you're a hardcore stat whore who wants to exploit the OPness to inflate your wn7 score? i play for fun so in the end i still end up with the same tank that everyone else is playing, sure i didn't get to enjoy the OPness for a month but i also didn't spend 100 bucks either.

you have to remember a lot of the people free xp'ng shit are in top clans who get gold for free so it's not like they're spending money.
 

Skott

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This not directed at anyone in particular. Just speaking generally.


I been playing WoT since early beta. I have over 14k battles under my belt now. I have spent $300 or $400 on the game so far. Most for the yearly premium account and the rest on gold tanks. I have a few of them. 5 or so. I'm not ashamed of it. I don't give a fook what others think of it either. I play the game my way and everyone else can play it their way. Simple as that. Each to their own.
 

PowerYoga

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yes but realize that guy like me, who don't convert gold into free experience, to get new op tier Xs when war gaming releases them, will take 5-6 months or so from scratch to grind it, by then, it has been nerfed a little. Now you have people opening their wallet who get tanks the very first day a new one come out. Fair? i don't think so.

So you don't understand why people spend money on it and think its insane, then complain how it's not fair that people who paid money get content earlier than you because they can convert exp?

Not sure if serious or just troll.
 

gammaray

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So you don't understand why people spend money on it and think its insane, then complain how it's not fair that people who paid money get content earlier than you because they can convert exp?

Not sure if serious or just troll.

well yes, people spending insane amount are actually encouraging pay to win and all their form of derivatives whether they realize it or not. imho pay to win must die !!
 

sushicide

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A lot of good players get their gold from clan wars/tourneys/contests....it's not pay to win, it's win to win.

What's everyone's ingame name? The OP is badly outdated(for obvious reasons) and is there a channel you guys hang out since ATOT is defunct? Finally hit 1600 60day wn7 figured I should start platooning to learn more tricks.
 

Possessed Freak

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well yes, people spending insane amount are actually encouraging pay to win and all their form of derivatives whether they realize it or not. imho pay to win must die !!

WTF pay to win are you talking about in World of Tanks. The *last* part of pay to win went away with the premium ammo/consumables to silver transition. Nothing you can spend money on in this game can actually give you an edge in a battle.

*if* they ever release the IIJ then I will reverse my stance.

You get free experience regardless of accounts (I am sitting at 40k free after spending 60k free on a gun upgrade) and I have been out of premium account for 6+ months. You get access to the same tanks. Most/all premium tanks are subpar compared to equal tier equivalents... even the mighty SU 122/44 has less DPM than the SU 152 mounting the 122.

However, I will say this in relation to premium tanks: There are 2 types of premium players. The derpy useless POS players who use them because they somehow don't lose credits after suiscouting in the Lowe for the 2000th time. And the good player who knows how to play tanks and uses them to grind crews and credits. I have not seen many "okay" players with premium tanks. So people see IS6 drivers doing well and they think the tank is OP or the players are P2W. But in reality the IS6's 122 is no different then the IS's 122 and the tank is a higher tier.
 

PowerYoga

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well yes, people spending insane amount are actually encouraging pay to win and all their form of derivatives whether they realize it or not. imho pay to win must die !!

You clearly don't understand what pay-to-win means, considering a person who spends a thousand dollars has no advantage over another person who spends a total of 0 dollars. At this point I'm sure you're just jealous of players who level and get tanks faster than you and nothing you say should be taken seriously.
 

FallenHero

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Sorry but i have to disagree. Even tho i enjoy 1 or 2 games out of 10 in WoT, the rest being fail teams or fail driving by me, there are many MMOs out there who charge 15$ a month with every game content accessible to paying customers, and they survive of thrive pretty well (like WoW).

In WoT, on top of paying 15$ a month, people can (and many will) pour in hundreds to gain all kind of small advantages. Premium ammos, consumables, perm camo, crew retraining at 100% etc. They can also customize their tanks with flags and emblems, and of course nothing of it is free.

The game is addictive, they have no real competition and take advantage of it, it's all fine. Like i said, we all have the right to spend our money how we want, i just don't get it.

I'm not sure how you can disagree that the people that pay money fund the game...

Are you suggesting that it would stay open without people paying? Or that it would be equally successful if they were monthly? I disagree on both counts.
 

Fallen Kell

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You get access to the same tanks. Most/all premium tanks are subpar compared to equal tier equivalents... even the mighty SU 122/44 has less DPM than the SU 152 mounting the 122.

Sorry to pick a bone with you on this, but the SU 152 with the 122 gets CRAP on the RNG. "IF" it hits (which half the time the shots land outside the circle), it will bounce 50-60% of the time, track for no damage 20-30% of the time and actually damage 10-20% of the time. I have BOUNCED GOLD rounds off the REAR of a M5 Stuart in that tank.
 

Possessed Freak

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Sorry to pick a bone with you on this, but the SU 152 with the 122 gets CRAP on the RNG. "IF" it hits (which half the time the shots land outside the circle), it will bounce 50-60% of the time, track for no damage 20-30% of the time and actually damage 10-20% of the time. I have BOUNCED GOLD rounds off the REAR of a M5 Stuart in that tank.

It is the same damn gun. Learn to aim.
 

PowerYoga

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Sorry to pick a bone with you on this, but the SU 152 with the 122 gets CRAP on the RNG. "IF" it hits (which half the time the shots land outside the circle), it will bounce 50-60% of the time, track for no damage 20-30% of the time and actually damage 10-20% of the time. I have BOUNCED GOLD rounds off the REAR of a M5 Stuart in that tank.

Have you used the 122-44? The accuracy is shit. The gun is not better than the SU-152's counterpart.
 

gammaray

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I'm not sure how you can disagree that the people that pay money fund the game...

Are you suggesting that it would stay open without people paying? Or that it would be equally successful if they were monthly? I disagree on both counts.

having seen and played in other mmos with a monthly fee of 15$ and with all content of the game accessible, why WG shouldn't be able to fare well? discuss...
 

stag3

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i don't think it could work as its online vs play only vs an mmo with diff missions and a huge world to explore.

what you're suggesting is more like paying 15/mo to play counter-strike or something
 

Fallen Kell

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I finally finished off my research for the ISU-152, but don't have enough free exp available to get the tracks+big gun... Gonna probably sit on it until I do.
 
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