Morals Without God

[JohnOfSheffield]

Where does love come from?

That depends on what kind of love you are talking about, all three kinds can be measured though...

We are slaves to our neurons and the transmitting compounds used to send signals in between them, we are the product of millions of years of evolution that has lead us to this state, this is what worked best so this is what we have, what we feel, how we live.

Love is about chemicals in your system, mostly in your brain but they do affect your entire body.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

No, I am ok with God punishing people according to how He sees fit. I do not like it, and as scripture clearly states, neither does God. This was clearly stated.

See, that is exactly what i mean, when you give up your humanity and trust what you are taught about God, you're fucked...

I just hope your teacher doesn't start telling you to kill people in Gods name and while you don't think that could happen, many others have thought the same and in the end complied with their teachers orders to kill in the name of god.

I'd pity you but you don't need it, what you need is an intervention.

 

[shira]

If there is no God, then they are being more consistent, than Cerpin is, with their morality and believe structure.

If Cerpin were actually being logically consistent and rational, he would conclude there is no reason for him to act in any way, shape, or form, and that he should run after every whim and indulgence his passions desire.

That you believe the bolded text merely shows how lacking in imagination you are.

Participating in close, loving relationships feels a lot better and is ultimately far more rewarding than living a life with no close connections. Being a part of a large community feels a lot better than being a loner. So if my purpose is to live the most enjoyable life possible, there are powerful motivators to engage in behaviors that foster close personal relationships and strong community bonds. That almost always means treating others with love and respect and creating strong public institutions.

You seem to be incapable of understanding that what is "moral" is what leads to the furtherance of "the good life." One doesn't need an invisible superbeing to understand that when I treat that beautiful young woman well, she starts treating me well in return. Her smiles are all I need to show me what is "right" and what is "wrong." Similarly, I prosper financially when I treat customers well, and I don't need God to show me that when I don't short-change my customers or provide them with inferior products, they continue to patronize my business.

People like you are so brainwashed by fantasies of immortality that you are unable to see that what is moral is right in front of your face. God need not apply.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Here is why in human existance there will always be a god . The editing on this video is really really good and it seems 3 people bit. But if you watch closely you can see the orginal picture that many of the illusions were created from . This is what I call soccery or voodoo . NO magic here.

But people will always try to convince others that which exist doesn't exist to doesn't exist and so on and sow forth. For control of the mind,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85vgm-rFfec

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

This is what I call soccery

You call that soccery and i call it footballalia!

You americanos and your wierd sorcery...

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Oh, sorry. If you disapprove of Hitler, Mussolini, or Chairman Mao, what's your basis for doing so?

Who says I need a basis? Those dudes were assholes. I don't need to check with someone else to know that.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I don't think anyone said it's proof of anything. It's just a challenge to atheists to identify the origin of their morality.

Since when does morality need an "origin"? What does that even mean?

 

[qliveur]

They mean that we're not born moral, because we're not. Morality is learned.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Do you have a problem with someone raping and murdering whoever they want to?

Yes. I also think sea urchin tastes terrible, and that fire hurts when it burns my skin. I don't need anyone else to inform me of my own internal states.

 

[JS80]

Yes. I also think sea urchin tastes terrible, and that fire hurts when it burns my skin. I don't need anyone else to inform me of my own internal states.

You are crazy. Uni is awesome.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

If Cerpin were actually being logically consistent and rational, he would conclude there is no reason for him to act in any way, shape, or form, and that he should run after every whim and indulgence his passions desire.

You obviously hold some postulates to be true which I do not accept.

I challenge him (you, Cerpin) to do this your whole life and at the end of it be glad you did so--to live your life balls to the wall, indulging in every possible passion, desire, and lust you can find. Then, let us know how satisfied you were with life.

I do. Some of my passions include cooperating with my fellow men and not being arrested and imprisoned. Do not project your own sociopathy on to me.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

You are crazy. Uni is awesome.

Oh, no. See? Now you're going to hell.

 

[Nemesis 1]

You call that soccery and i call it footballalia!

You americanos and your wierd sorcery...

Actually I found it to be XXX video start view at about 8 min. watch above the white illusions , actually the video editor did a good job as much is occurring in video.

Ya I got your spelling que.

 

[bhanson]

I can't tell if soccerball is being serious or is (un)cleverly trolling.

 

[totalnoob]

I can't tell if soccerball is being serious or is (un)cleverly trolling.

ditto

 

[Mursilis]

That you believe the bolded text merely shows how lacking in imagination you are.

Participating in close, loving relationships feels a lot better and is ultimately far more rewarding than living a life with no close connections. Being a part of a large community feels a lot better than being a loner. So if my purpose is to live the most enjoyable life possible, there are powerful motivators to engage in behaviors that foster close personal relationships and strong community bonds. That almost always means treating others with love and respect and creating strong public institutions.

You seem to be incapable of understanding that what is "moral" is what leads to the furtherance of "the good life." One doesn't need an invisible superbeing to understand that when I treat that beautiful young woman well, she starts treating me well in return. Her smiles are all I need to show me what is "right" and what is "wrong." Similarly, I prosper financially when I treat customers well, and I don't need God to show me that when I don't short-change my customers or provide them with inferior products, they continue to patronize my business.

People like you are so brainwashed by fantasies of immortality that you are unable to see that what is moral is right in front of your face. God need not apply.

Wow. What naive drivel. And you think Soccerballtux lacks imagination? Are you really going to pretend we can't prosper financially and in other ways at the expense of others as well (that is, in potentially immoral ways)? Look at Wall Street! Mutual self interest is a pretty theory, but woefully unrealistic. Some resources really are finite (such as beautiful young women, something you brought up), and if three guys are trying to win the heart of one woman, there is no result which will leave all parties fully satisfied.

And of course it's naive to think we all want the same things (such as your example, close loving relationships), or that these things all feel good to us all. Look at history - power and violence feel quite good to a lot of men! What did Nietzsche say? "What is good? All that heightens the feeling of power in man, the will to power, power itself. What is bad? All that is born of weakness. What is happiness? The feeling that power is growing, that resistance is overcome."

 

[totalnoob]

Some resources really are finite (such as beautiful young women, something you brought up), and if three guys are trying to win the heart of one woman, there is no result which will leave all parties fully satisfied.

Wrong. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5jrNoNNtrE

 

[Atreus21]

Wut?

God considers Slavery and even Genocide to be A OK. Do you?

Hello ten commandments: Thou shalt not murder.

In case you haven't noticed, the bible has many conflicting statements.

The question at issue is not that. It's not whether one morality is better than another, but why atheists obey their conscience.

 

[Atreus21]

Since when does morality need an "origin"? What does that even mean?

Would you steal from someone if you could get away with it? Yes or no.

 

[bhanson]

Would you steal from someone if you could get away with it? Yes or no.

Conscience is nothing more than the intellect of being able to distinguish right from wrong.

Lets change your question to:

Would you kill someone if you could get away with it? Yes or no.

Without a social contract if killing someone benefited you then most people probably would. Unfortunately in a state of nature where this is acceptable people could also kill you. Therefore it is of mutual interest to agree that one shall not kill each other; it becomes immoral to kill someone (even if no one would know) because it now violates the social contract.

 

[dawp]

You do not need god to be moral. Morality is just accepted behavior the we, as a society, view as normal. The rules are laid out by religion, but that does not have to be so, and we either accept or reject those values as society evolves. Behaviors the were once the norm are now abnormal and vica versa.

 

[Atreus21]

Conscience is nothing more than the intellect of being able to distinguish right from wrong.

Lets change your question to:



Without a social contract if killing someone benefited you then most people probably would. Unfortunately in a state of nature where this is acceptable people could also kill you. Therefore it is of mutual interest to agree that one shall not kill each other; it becomes immoral to kill someone (even if no one would know) because it now violates the social contract.

But if you're scared of contractually-stated consequences, then you're not sure of getting away with it.

Please answer my original question. If you could get away with it, would you steal from someone? Yes or no.

 

[dawp]

Please answer my original question. If you could get away with it, would you steal from someone? Yes or no.

How do you think I got my porn when I was in my teens? and I had a large collection, too. This was in the mid '70s, before the internet.

 

[Atreus21]

How do you think I got my porn when I was in my teens? and I had a large collection, too. This was in the mid '70s, before the internet.

Do you view the theft as wrong?

 

[dawp]

Do you view the theft as wrong?

at the time, no. I wouldn't do it now as I can afford to buy it if I want it and it isn't worth the trouble if I got caught stealing something worth $5.