Most intelligent people are Atheist.

[AbAbber2k]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
atheists that say, "oh my god" crack me up.

God forbid someone that doesn't believe in god use a common turn of phrase with said word in it.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
I believe in God and I'm intelligent. Also, I have the benefit of having seen some crazy sh!t such that I would have to not believe my own perception of reality to not believe in the supernatural.

<-- undergraduate class valedictorian
<-- Ph.D. chemical engineering student 3.8 GPA

AND...my thesis research is in condensed matter physics which is a completely different field of study from chemical engineering so I have had to give myself a ph.D. physicist education on my own in addition to taking hard chemical engineering courses and doing experimental and theoretical search.

A lot of very famous scientists of past and present believed or believe in God.

You gotta believe this universe came from somewhere or something...do to something far, far beyond our scientific understanding -- i.e. a definition of 'supernatural'.

All I know is there is law of physics called the law of conservation of mass and energy...well, we have a lot of mass and energy now. Where did it all come from? And don't tell me "Big Bang"...that is only a mechanism which explains our universe's present state. Where did the matter that existed pre Big-Bang in that 'singularity' come from? There is an endless regression of logical questions concerning the origin of the universe. Ultimately, one has to step outside "natural law" to answer that 'most interesting' question.

There is no way to answer the "Mass & Energy origin" question without resorting to descriptions of supernatural phenomena. And, yes, I classify the theory of chronons and alternate dimensions as supernatural and no physicists can prove me wrong.

BTW -- to P&N with this.

Classic
Most people and scientists believed in some form of god.

Modern Man
Pascal was a Christian.
Einstein was a Pantheist.
.
.
.
Plus, many theories including the Big Bang originated from Christian scientists.

Einstein was agnostic at best, and likely was a full atheist.

Have you read any of Einsteins writing later in life...he believed in God.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
atheists that say, "oh my god" crack me up.

Yep...I used to occasionally answer that with a "so whose your god?" or somesuch.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: deathkoba
As much as I'd like to believe this statement, some of the dumbest people I know (friends and relatives in the fashion industry......) are atheists.

They're only atheist because they're gay.

 

[SpeedZealot369]

"Intelligent" is kinda hard to define.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
I believe in God and I'm intelligent. Also, I have the benefit of having seen some crazy sh!t such that I would have to not believe my own perception of reality to not believe in the supernatural.

<-- undergraduate class valedictorian
<-- Ph.D. chemical engineering student 3.8 GPA

AND...my thesis research is in condensed matter physics which is a completely different field of study from chemical engineering so I have had to give myself a ph.D. physicist education on my own in addition to taking hard chemical engineering courses and doing experimental and theoretical search.

A lot of very famous scientists of past and present believed or believe in God.

You gotta believe this universe came from somewhere or something...do to something far, far beyond our scientific understanding -- i.e. a definition of 'supernatural'.

All I know is there is law of physics called the law of conservation of mass and energy...well, we have a lot of mass and energy now. Where did it all come from? And don't tell me "Big Bang"...that is only a mechanism which explains our universe's present state. Where did the matter that existed pre Big-Bang in that 'singularity' come from? There is an endless regression of logical questions concerning the origin of the universe. Ultimately, one has to step outside "natural law" to answer that 'most interesting' question.

There is no way to answer the "Mass & Energy origin" question without resorting to descriptions of supernatural phenomena. And, yes, I classify the theory of chronons and alternate dimensions as supernatural and no physicists can prove me wrong.

BTW -- to P&N with this.

Classic
Most people and scientists believed in some form of god.

Modern Man
Pascal was a Christian.
Einstein was a Pantheist.
.
.
.
Plus, many theories including the Big Bang originated from Christian scientists.

Einstein was agnostic at best, and likely was a full atheist.

Have you read any of Einsteins writing later in life...he believed in God.

see the quote i posted earlier, written near his death

 

[jds2006]

lol

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
I believe in God and I'm intelligent. Also, I have the benefit of having seen some crazy sh!t such that I would have to not believe my own perception of reality to not believe in the supernatural.

<-- undergraduate class valedictorian
<-- Ph.D. chemical engineering student 3.8 GPA

AND...my thesis research is in condensed matter physics which is a completely different field of study from chemical engineering so I have had to give myself a ph.D. physicist education on my own in addition to taking hard chemical engineering courses and doing experimental and theoretical search.

A lot of very famous scientists of past and present believed or believe in God.

You gotta believe this universe came from somewhere or something...do to something far, far beyond our scientific understanding -- i.e. a definition of 'supernatural'.

All I know is there is law of physics called the law of conservation of mass and energy...well, we have a lot of mass and energy now. Where did it all come from? And don't tell me "Big Bang"...that is only a mechanism which explains our universe's present state. Where did the matter that existed pre Big-Bang in that 'singularity' come from? There is an endless regression of logical questions concerning the origin of the universe. Ultimately, one has to step outside "natural law" to answer that 'most interesting' question.

There is no way to answer the "Mass & Energy origin" question without resorting to descriptions of supernatural phenomena. And, yes, I classify the theory of chronons and alternate dimensions as supernatural and no physicists can prove me wrong.

BTW -- to P&N with this.

Classic
Most people and scientists believed in some form of god.

Modern Man
Pascal was a Christian.
Einstein was a Pantheist.
.
.
.
Plus, many theories including the Big Bang originated from Christian scientists.

Einstein was agnostic at best, and likely was a full atheist.

Have you read any of Einsteins writing later in life...he believed in God.

yeah, i read an autobiography on him in 5th grade and i remember reading that he distinctly believed in God, but didn't adhere to the beliefs of christians or jews.

 

[IAteYourMother]

gee... i'm sure that study is extremely accurate... especially when it finds that 90% of the general population believes in an afterlife/god... does anyone else find that slightly high?

Otherwise, yeah, not surprising that scientists have a lower proportion of religious people

 

[AAman]

hmmmm, I'm not sure if that's based simply on being more intelligent, more educated perhaps...there are plenty of reactionary atheists raised as Mormons, Baptists, JWs, etc.
(I know grew up and hung out with a ton of 'em).

The more education, the broader the perspective and the more likely one is to reject dogma it seems to me....hence the point raised about Einstein, Jefferson, etc. And remember, Christ and Buddha thought creating a religion around them was simply inconceivable, as they were messengers.

 

[SofaKing]

Originally posted by: pinkeywear
lol

lol

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: AAman
Christ thought creating a religion around [him] was simply inconceivable, as [he was] messengers.

You're not very well versed in the Bible are you?

 

[AAman]

I beyond well versed in the Bible, I taught Sunday school, taught history as a grad TA covering ancient history (the Old and New Testaments, Buddhism, etc.), was raised a JW and a then a Baptist

Christ and Buddha were about a personal direct quest/journey to enlightenment, there were not out to found an earthly religion full of dogma and crap that was just plain made up by others (note that neither one wrote down a thing, they lived by example).

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: AAman
I beyond well versed in the Bible, I taught Sunday school, taught history as a grad TA covering ancient history (the Old and New Testaments, Buddhism, etc.), was raised a JW and a then a Baptist

Christ and Buddha were about a personal direct quest/journey to enlightenment, there were not out to found an earthly religion full of dogma and crap that was just plain made up by others (note that neither one wrote down a thing, they lived by example).

ouch, owned.

but he wasn't just a messenger... he was the Son of God :Q

EDIT: Obviously Christ didn't support a doctrinal religion, but he supported a religion in which the only way to heaven was through him

 

[shoRunner]

mmm so where did DVK916 go with all his open minded intelligence....oh yeah he forget one thing...his flame suit....life's a b!tch

 

[hjo3]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: deathkoba
As much as I'd like to believe this statement, some of the dumbest people I know (friends and relatives in the fashion industry......) are atheists.

They're only atheist because they're gay.

And yet Catholic priests seems to manage.

 

[Eli]

Well, duh?

Flame me all you want, but in my experience religious people tend to be pretty close-minded. There are exceptions of course, but in general.

 

[Red Dawn]

I wonder why Christianity is the most popular Religion in the World. Is it because you can fail at it time and time again but it's ok because you are forgiven?

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Nebor
The people who believe a talking man in the sky created the universe aren't the best thinkers the world has ever known? Big suprise.

Religion is marketed to the stupid and weak in spirit, so that's what they get.

As much as I dislike religion, some of the best/influential phlospheres were religious.

You are absolutely correct. Also I usually find it somewhat interesting, and ironically so, that those who proclaim the "stupidity" of religion loudly are usually more close-minded than the religious people they attempt to attack.

Nebor's clueless statement is a clear example of this sort of illogical thinking.

I'm not close minded in the least. Let people believe whatever they want to believe. So long as no one forces their beliefs on others, everyone's cool.

That doesn't mean that I believe what they believe, or that I have to think well of them.

The fact is, as the world population grows, religion is shrinking, more and more. Religion in the UK nears collapse, and it won't be long until we see a similar fate in America. God is dying, I just wish he wouldn't linger.

not true. there has been a HUGE revival of christianity in the US over the last 20 yrs. christianity / islam /hinduism dominates the lesser developed countries which make up a majority of the earths population. i have no idea where you got the idea that religion is shrinking.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: DVK916
What is wrong with this topic. I posted a valid study.

Well, one of the first signs that it might not be such a credible website is this sentence:

"Contrary to the notion fostered by so-called 'creation-scientists', Albert Einstein did not believe in a personal god. "


It doesn't take much reading to find out that Einstein did believe in a God. His beliefs may not have matched to any of the large religions, but he was not an Atheist.

It doesn't say he was an atheist, it says he didn't believe in a personal god...the same can be said for deists who comprised a large percentage of our founders. A personal god is a VERY modern thing.

Yes, but put it into context. That line was written in a 'study' that claimed to support a correlation between Atheism and intelligence. That line about Einstein would not have been added if the author did not believe it supported his/her claim about Atheists. Hence, the author believes Einstein was an Atheist. He was not.

I think you're reaching, and imposing.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I wonder why Christianity is the most popular Religion in the World. Is it because you can fail at it time and time again but it's ok because you are forgiven?

cause they too went on jihads back in the day to get converts.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: Drakkon
wow...after what happend earlier today....im not touching this one with a 10ft pole

What happened earlier today?

Originally posted by: uhohs
Study shows people posting religion threads in ATOT tend to be trolls?

QFT.

 

[Gl4di4tor]

i can see that. I think I'm atheist, instead of agnostic.

 

[Gl4di4tor]

I mean come on, probably the clearest thinker/ brightest humanbeing in the history of mankind was atheist, Albert Einstein. That's gotta count for something.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
I believe in God and I'm intelligent. Also, I have the benefit of having seen some crazy sh!t such that I would have to not believe my own perception of reality to not believe in the supernatural.

<-- undergraduate class valedictorian
<-- Ph.D. chemical engineering student 3.8 GPA

AND...my thesis research is in condensed matter physics which is a completely different field of study from chemical engineering so I have had to give myself a ph.D. physicist education on my own in addition to taking hard chemical engineering courses and doing experimental and theoretical search.

A lot of very famous scientists of past and present believed or believe in God.

You gotta believe this universe came from somewhere or something...do to something far, far beyond our scientific understanding -- i.e. a definition of 'supernatural'.

All I know is there is law of physics called the law of conservation of mass and energy...well, we have a lot of mass and energy now. Where did it all come from? And don't tell me "Big Bang"...that is only a mechanism which explains our universe's present state. Where did the matter that existed pre Big-Bang in that 'singularity' come from? There is an endless regression of logical questions concerning the origin of the universe. Ultimately, one has to step outside "natural law" to answer that 'most interesting' question.

There is no way to answer the "Mass & Energy origin" question without resorting to descriptions of supernatural phenomena. And, yes, I classify the theory of chronons and alternate dimensions as supernatural and no physicists can prove me wrong.

BTW -- to P&N with this.

Classic
Most people and scientists believed in some form of god.

Modern Man
Pascal was a Christian.
Einstein was a Pantheist.
.
.
.
Plus, many theories including the Big Bang originated from Christian scientists.

Einstein was agnostic at best, and likely was a full atheist.

Have you read any of Einsteins writing later in life...he believed in God.

yeah, i read an autobiography on him in 5th grade and i remember reading that he distinctly believed in God, but didn't adhere to the beliefs of christians or jews.

The more the OP, DVK916, posts the more I realize he doesn't no a dang thing about what he believes. At least be informed. I try to read as much as possible before I make outlandish statement like you. The one person I know for certain that is agnostic/atheist and is a genious is Stephen Hawkings, but he even has some agnostic and Pantheist leanings. Einstein was a Pantheist. Look it up for G-d's sake before you post something else stupid.