Most intelligent people are Atheist.

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: joedrake
Its just funny that you use Ben Franklin as an example.
He was a horrible person.

That has no bearing on his intelligence.

Youd put franklin below Stalin? :Q

Franklin was a genious. I respect his views and methods a lot, but take away the agnostics from your list and you are left with a bunch of ignorant, single-minded douchebags. Just IMO. The agnostics in that list are pretty cool.

BTW, did you know he was an advisor for the Constitution and that he was instrumental in putting "that all men are equal". He was the only representative at the time that did not own slaves, so this makes sense, too.

 

[Mallow]

I just don't find their lame graphics very convincing

 

[deathwalker]

Hmm...wonder where an Agnostic would fall? Somewhere between an idiot and whatever? I can truely say that I have had associations with people from both sides of the religous spectrum and have never seen any relationship to the ties of religious believes and intelligence. I'm sure those that take these types of "study" results as meaningfull are truely themselves less that perseptive. Believe in what you see and experience in your everday life not on what someone wants you to believe.

 

[sumyungai]

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You have an odd number of posts. I take it you are religious?

 

[sumyungai]

All of this talk about atheists are smarter or religious are smarter will go nowhere. It's like saying Democrats are smarter than Republicans or vice versa. When it comes to believes or idealogy everyone will think they are right no matter what evidence is displayed in front of them just like fanboys of Intel or AMD. There is a reason why you are not supposed to talk about politics or religion at the dinner table. It will only lead to arguments with no resolve. By discussing religion or idealogy you will not convert anyone but will only create enemies. That is why smart people such as Einstein will generally hide their stance to stay neutral.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: sumyungai
All of this talk about atheists are smarter or religious are smarter will go nowhere. It's like saying Democrats are smarter than Republicans or vice versa. When it comes to believes or idealogy everyone will think they are right no matter what evidence is displayed in front of them just like fanboys of Intel or AMD. There is a reason why you are not supposed to talk about politics or religion at the dinner table. It will only lead to arguments with no resolve. By discussing religion or idealogy you will not convert anyone but will only create enemies. That is why smart people such as Einstein will generally hide their stance to stay neutral.

:thumbsup:

QFT

You can only talk to people who you know aren't arrogant and can admit when they are wrong. Otherwise arguing about this stuff only leads to unneeded conflict. Sharing your views is different though, but can be only done if the person is willing to listen.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Acanthus
back on the topic at hand: Einstein, Hawking, Hemmingway, Poe, Stalin, Twain, Orwell, and Ben Franklin were all agnostic/atheist.

Einstein was not an atheist. :roll: Get your facts straight.

Was Ben Franklin atheist / I thought he had a religious background? I thought the same with Orwell. Not sure though.

No, they were agnostic...

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Acanthus
back on the topic at hand: Einstein, Hawking, Hemmingway, Poe, Stalin, Twain, Orwell, and Ben Franklin were all agnostic/atheist.

Einstein was not an atheist. :roll: Get your facts straight.

Was Ben Franklin atheist / I thought he had a religious background? I thought the same with Orwell. Not sure though.

No, they were agnostic...

If you had read the thread, you would have realized that no one said anything about agnostics. Actually it was agreed upon that agnostics are quite logical about there beliefs, either that or too lazy to try to figure it out. But the OPs statement that Atheists are supposively more intelligent is the stupidest moronic crap ever.

 

[thereaderrabbit]

Originally posted by: sumyungai
After reading this thread, I made a few observations:

Einstein is an extremely smart person. He is so smart that he worded his religious views so that nobody knows his religious stance and therefore, made no enemies. Genius!

Also, Anandtech is usually liberally biased from all the Bush bashing I see on here. Liberals by definition are open-minded, free-loving, and athiest because they believe in abortion. Ironically , MOST liberals and religious people tend to attack vehemently anyone who does not have the same views as they.

Now I'm a bit confused from all the people attacking the OP when I was expecting the majority of liberals of this forum to defend and support him.

"Liberals by definition are ... free-loving, and athiest because they believe in abortion."

Where did you get that from? Please take your stupidity elsewhere.

lib·er·al - Pronunciation Key (lbr-l, lbrl)

adj.
1.1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
1.2. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
1.3. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
1.4. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
2.1. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
2.2. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
3. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
4. Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.
5.1. Archaic. Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
5.2. Obsolete. Morally unrestrained; licentious.

n.
1. A person with liberal ideas or opinions.
2. Liberal A member of a Liberal political party.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: DVK916
What is wrong with this topic. I posted a valid study.

VALID--in whose opinion.....too funnyeee

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: DVK916
Guess it hard to talk about this on ATOT since most people here are sky fairy worshipers.

No, it's just that we don't like you. You are a troll...not quite JLGatsby quality yet but I think that's because you are still in HS.

1. I am not a troll
2. I am not in HS


I am an open minded person thus an atheist, who can't stand why close minded people thus theist can't look at things logically and see that god doesn't exist.

Define Logical......each person has there own FORM of logic...

 

[sumyungai]

Originally posted by: thereaderrabbit

Originally posted by: sumyungai
After reading this thread, I made a few observations:

Einstein is an extremely smart person. He is so smart that he worded his religious views so that nobody knows his religious stance and therefore, made no enemies. Genius!

Also, Anandtech is usually liberally biased from all the Bush bashing I see on here. Liberals by definition are open-minded, free-loving, and athiest because they believe in abortion. Ironically , MOST liberals and religious people tend to attack vehemently anyone who does not have the same views as they.

Now I'm a bit confused from all the people attacking the OP when I was expecting the majority of liberals of this forum to defend and support him.

"Liberals by definition are ... free-loving, and athiest because they believe in abortion."

Where did you get that from? Please take your stupidity elsewhere.

lib·er·al - Pronunciation Key (lbr-l, lbrl)

adj.
1.1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
1.2. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
1.3. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
1.4. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
2.1. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
2.2. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
3. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
4. Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.
5.1. Archaic. Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
5.2. Obsolete. Morally unrestrained; licentious.

n.
1. A person with liberal ideas or opinions.
2. Liberal A member of a Liberal political party.

Free loving is defined in "5.2. Obsolete. Morally unrestrained; licentious. " And if you are a liberal then you would tend to vote Democrat, no? Democrats supports abortion whereas generally Republicans oppose abortion, no?

You attacking me vehemontly with that language is exactly what I mean when I define liberal. I merely gave my views of a liberal. If you disagree, then disagree civily. There is no need for that kind of talk. We are not kids on the playground, well, atleast I'm not.

Edit: I forgot to add why I define liberal with being atheist. Now that we defined liberals in supporting Democrat which supports abortion. One would extrapolate that if you support abortion then you cannot support god. If they did then we wouldn't have Christians bombing abortion clinics.

Now keep in mind that I define this generally and not absolutely before you guys start attacking me again.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: uhohs
Study shows people posting in religion threads in ATOT tend to be trolls?

Fixed.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: mrchan
How do you correlate scientists being atheist and most intelligent people being atheist?

Are most intelligent people scientists? Guess all the lawyers, politicians, city officials, etc aren't intelligent.....

They just aren't as intelligent.

 

[thereaderrabbit]

Originally posted by: sumyungai

Originally posted by: thereaderrabbit

Originally posted by: sumyungai
After reading this thread, I made a few observations:

Einstein is an extremely smart person. He is so smart that he worded his religious views so that nobody knows his religious stance and therefore, made no enemies. Genius!

Also, Anandtech is usually liberally biased from all the Bush bashing I see on here. Liberals by definition are open-minded, free-loving, and athiest because they believe in abortion. Ironically , MOST liberals and religious people tend to attack vehemently anyone who does not have the same views as they.

Now I'm a bit confused from all the people attacking the OP when I was expecting the majority of liberals of this forum to defend and support him.

"Liberals by definition are ... free-loving, and athiest because they believe in abortion."

Where did you get that from? Please take your stupidity elsewhere.

lib?er?al - Pronunciation Key (lbr-l, lbrl)

adj.
1.1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
1.2. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
1.3. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
1.4. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
2.1. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
2.2. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
3. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
4. Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.
5.1. Archaic. Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
5.2. Obsolete. Morally unrestrained; licentious.

n.
1. A person with liberal ideas or opinions.
2. Liberal A member of a Liberal political party.

Free loving is defined in "5.2. Obsolete. Morally unrestrained; licentious. " And if you are a liberal then you would tend to vote Democrat, no? Democrats supports abortion whereas generally Republicans oppose abortion, no?

You attacking me vehemontly with that language is exactly what I mean when I define liberal. I merely gave my views of a liberal. If you disagree, then disagree civily. There is no need for that kind of talk. We are not kids on the playground, well, atleast I'm not.

Edit: I forgot to add why I define liberal with being atheist. Now that we defined liberals in supporting Democrat which supports abortion. One would extrapolate that if you support abortion then you cannot support god. If they did then we wouldn't have Christians bombing abortion clinics.

Now keep in mind that I define this generally and not absolutely before you guys start attacking me again.

So now I?m on the playground? (way to keep the moral high ground buddy- does this make you a liberal too?!?)

Do you think the obsolete definition (5.2) really applies? You should look more closely at the primary definition 1.1-1.4 if you want to understand the political usage of the word. As far as the dictionary goes, people tend to pick a single definition of the word when using a word unless their being clever in a William Shakespeare sort of way. (I doubt either of us are being clever)

So I?m a liberal. But what about your assumptions?

I?m free loving? Um, okay? Most of my conservative friends have either been raised and always lived in a conservative lifestyle or have found conservativivism as a rejection of their free loving ways. I?d hate to say it, but most liberals are more middle of the road than you probably think. Being a (male or female) slut doesn?t make you a liberal. Being a liberal means that you?ll be tolerant of both the hedonists and the virtuous (kind of like what Jesus might do). Being tolerant doesn?t mean being supportive either.

Also, being tolerant of abortions doesn?t mean supportive. I don?t like the idea of abortion. But do you think victims of rape should to carry a fetus to term? I say no, they shouldn?t have that forced upon them. You disagree with me? Sure it?s your right to. Still none of this is in the definition of the word Liberal.

?Edit: I forgot to add why I define liberal with being atheist.? Um, what you said the first time was ?Liberals by definition are?? I see why you?re backing down. It?s because you know you are wrong. There is no shame in being wrong.

Equating God with abortion rights? Now that?s bold. I believe in God. I also am actively involved with my local community and donate parts of my weekly paycheck to Habitat for Humanity and the Boy Scouts. Which version of the definition of liberal now applies to me?

Sorry if I came across as rude, but as a liberal, I found what you said about me before as unwarranted and insulting.

 

[thecrecarc]

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

Originally posted by: NathanBWF
Uh oh...

Marshmallows... Check..
Grill Fork... Check...
Lawnchair... Check...

Ok I am good to go for this thread.

beer? ill supply some :beer: :beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:

 

[sumyungai]

Originally posted by: thereaderrabbit

Originally posted by: sumyungai

Originally posted by: thereaderrabbit

Originally posted by: sumyungai
After reading this thread, I made a few observations:

Einstein is an extremely smart person. He is so smart that he worded his religious views so that nobody knows his religious stance and therefore, made no enemies. Genius!

Also, Anandtech is usually liberally biased from all the Bush bashing I see on here. Liberals by definition are open-minded, free-loving, and athiest because they believe in abortion. Ironically , MOST liberals and religious people tend to attack vehemently anyone who does not have the same views as they.

Now I'm a bit confused from all the people attacking the OP when I was expecting the majority of liberals of this forum to defend and support him.

"Liberals by definition are ... free-loving, and athiest because they believe in abortion."

Where did you get that from? Please take your stupidity elsewhere.

lib?er?al - Pronunciation Key (lbr-l, lbrl)

adj.
1.1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
1.2. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
1.3. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
1.4. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
2.1. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
2.2. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
3. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
4. Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.
5.1. Archaic. Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
5.2. Obsolete. Morally unrestrained; licentious.

n.
1. A person with liberal ideas or opinions.
2. Liberal A member of a Liberal political party.

Free loving is defined in "5.2. Obsolete. Morally unrestrained; licentious. " And if you are a liberal then you would tend to vote Democrat, no? Democrats supports abortion whereas generally Republicans oppose abortion, no?

You attacking me vehemontly with that language is exactly what I mean when I define liberal. I merely gave my views of a liberal. If you disagree, then disagree civily. There is no need for that kind of talk. We are not kids on the playground, well, atleast I'm not.

Edit: I forgot to add why I define liberal with being atheist. Now that we defined liberals in supporting Democrat which supports abortion. One would extrapolate that if you support abortion then you cannot support god. If they did then we wouldn't have Christians bombing abortion clinics.

Now keep in mind that I define this generally and not absolutely before you guys start attacking me again.

So now I?m on the playground? (way to keep the moral high ground buddy- does this make you a liberal too?!?)

Do you think the obsolete definition (5.2) really applies? You should look more closely at the primary definition 1.1-1.4 if you want to understand the political usage of the word. As far as the dictionary goes, people tend to pick a single definition of the word when using a word unless their being clever in a William Shakespeare sort of way. (I doubt either of us are being clever)

So I?m a liberal. But what about your assumptions?

I?m free loving? Um, okay? Most of my conservative friends have either been raised and always lived in a conservative lifestyle or have found conservativivism as a rejection of their free loving ways. I?d hate to say it, but most liberals are more middle of the road than you probably think. Being a (male or female) slut doesn?t make you a liberal. Being a liberal means that you?ll be tolerant of both the hedonists and the virtuous (kind of like what Jesus might do). Being tolerant doesn?t mean being supportive either.

Also, being tolerant of abortions doesn?t mean supportive. I don?t like the idea of abortion. But do you think victims of rape should to carry a fetus to term? I say no, they shouldn?t have that forced upon them. You disagree with me? Sure it?s your right to. Still none of this is in the definition of the word Liberal.

?Edit: I forgot to add why I define liberal with being atheist.? Um, what you said the first time was ?Liberals by definition are?? I see why you?re backing down. It?s because you know you are wrong. There is no shame in being wrong.

Equating God with abortion rights? Now that?s bold. I believe in God. I also am actively involved with my local community and donate parts of my weekly paycheck to Habitat for Humanity and the Boy Scouts. Which version of the definition of liberal now applies to me?

Sorry if I came across as rude, but as a liberal, I found what you said about me before as unwarranted and insulting.

You are kidding with me, right? Please reread what your response is and tell me if it makes any sense.

You said, "you should look more closely at the primary definition 1.1-1.4 (that is NOT the full definition) if you want to understand the political usage of the word", and then you said, "people tend to pick a single definition of the word when using a word." Isn't that what you just did?

You say you believe in god and god loves ALL children (that includes the offsprings from raped victums) then abortion should not be an option. I don't disagree with you but I'm merely pointing out your contradiction.

As for this comment, "?Edit: I forgot to add why I define liberal with being atheist.? Um, what you said the first time was ?Liberals by definition are?? I see why you?re backing down. It?s because you know you are wrong. There is no shame in being wrong. "" Did you see the word 'add'?

add Audio pronunciation of "add" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d)
v. add·ed, add·ing, adds
v. tr.

1. To combine (a column of figures, for example) to form a sum.
2. To join or unite so as to increase in size, quantity, quality, or scope: added 12 inches to the deck; flowers that added beauty to the dinner table.
3. To say or write further.

See, I can use the dictionary too.

There is nothing wrong with being liberal or conservative. Both strive to do whats right. However, they just have different ways in reaching the same goal.

 

[thereaderrabbit]

Originally posted by: sumyungai

Originally posted by: thereaderrabbit

Originally posted by: sumyungai

Originally posted by: thereaderrabbit

Originally posted by: sumyungai
After reading this thread, I made a few observations:

Einstein is an extremely smart person. He is so smart that he worded his religious views so that nobody knows his religious stance and therefore, made no enemies. Genius!

Also, Anandtech is usually liberally biased from all the Bush bashing I see on here. Liberals by definition are open-minded, free-loving, and athiest because they believe in abortion. Ironically , MOST liberals and religious people tend to attack vehemently anyone who does not have the same views as they.

Now I'm a bit confused from all the people attacking the OP when I was expecting the majority of liberals of this forum to defend and support him.

"Liberals by definition are ... free-loving, and athiest because they believe in abortion."

Where did you get that from? Please take your stupidity elsewhere.

lib?er?al - Pronunciation Key (lbr-l, lbrl)

adj.
1.1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
1.2. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
1.3. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
1.4. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
2.1. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
2.2. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
3. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
4. Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.
5.1. Archaic. Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
5.2. Obsolete. Morally unrestrained; licentious.

n.
1. A person with liberal ideas or opinions.
2. Liberal A member of a Liberal political party.

Free loving is defined in "5.2. Obsolete. Morally unrestrained; licentious. " And if you are a liberal then you would tend to vote Democrat, no? Democrats supports abortion whereas generally Republicans oppose abortion, no?

You attacking me vehemontly with that language is exactly what I mean when I define liberal. I merely gave my views of a liberal. If you disagree, then disagree civily. There is no need for that kind of talk. We are not kids on the playground, well, atleast I'm not.

Edit: I forgot to add why I define liberal with being atheist. Now that we defined liberals in supporting Democrat which supports abortion. One would extrapolate that if you support abortion then you cannot support god. If they did then we wouldn't have Christians bombing abortion clinics.

Now keep in mind that I define this generally and not absolutely before you guys start attacking me again.

So now I?m on the playground? (way to keep the moral high ground buddy- does this make you a liberal too?!?)

Do you think the obsolete definition (5.2) really applies? You should look more closely at the primary definition 1.1-1.4 if you want to understand the political usage of the word. As far as the dictionary goes, people tend to pick a single definition of the word when using a word unless their being clever in a William Shakespeare sort of way. (I doubt either of us are being clever)

So I?m a liberal. But what about your assumptions?

I?m free loving? Um, okay? Most of my conservative friends have either been raised and always lived in a conservative lifestyle or have found conservativivism as a rejection of their free loving ways. I?d hate to say it, but most liberals are more middle of the road than you probably think. Being a (male or female) slut doesn?t make you a liberal. Being a liberal means that you?ll be tolerant of both the hedonists and the virtuous (kind of like what Jesus might do). Being tolerant doesn?t mean being supportive either.

Also, being tolerant of abortions doesn?t mean supportive. I don?t like the idea of abortion. But do you think victims of rape should to carry a fetus to term? I say no, they shouldn?t have that forced upon them. You disagree with me? Sure it?s your right to. Still none of this is in the definition of the word Liberal.

?Edit: I forgot to add why I define liberal with being atheist.? Um, what you said the first time was ?Liberals by definition are?? I see why you?re backing down. It?s because you know you are wrong. There is no shame in being wrong.

Equating God with abortion rights? Now that?s bold. I believe in God. I also am actively involved with my local community and donate parts of my weekly paycheck to Habitat for Humanity and the Boy Scouts. Which version of the definition of liberal now applies to me?

Sorry if I came across as rude, but as a liberal, I found what you said about me before as unwarranted and insulting.

You are kidding with me, right? Please reread what your response is and tell me if it makes any sense.

You said, "you should look more closely at the primary definition 1.1-1.4 (that is NOT the full definition) if you want to understand the political usage of the word", and then you said, "people tend to pick a single definition of the word when using a word." Isn't that what you just did?

You say you believe in god and god loves ALL children (that includes the offsprings from raped victums) then abortion should not be an option. I don't disagree with you but I'm merely pointing out your contradiction.

As for this comment, "?Edit: I forgot to add why I define liberal with being atheist.? Um, what you said the first time was ?Liberals by definition are?? I see why you?re backing down. It?s because you know you are wrong. There is no shame in being wrong. "" Did you see the word 'add'?

add Audio pronunciation of "add" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d)
v. add?ed, add?ing, adds
v. tr.

1. To combine (a column of figures, for example) to form a sum.
2. To join or unite so as to increase in size, quantity, quality, or scope: added 12 inches to the deck; flowers that added beauty to the dinner table.
3. To say or write further.

See, I can use the dictionary too.

There is nothing wrong with being liberal or conservative. Both strive to do whats right. However, they just have different ways in reaching the same goal.

Look Sumyungai, I still see you making things up left and right...

1. I did not have the words ?(that is NOT the full definition)? in my comments. When you put them there you are being dishonest.

1. I picked a single definition for liberal and went with it. There was no contradiction there. It was 1 (the one that included being open minded).

1. From your reply you indicate ?You say you believe in god and god loves ALL children?. When did I say ?God loves ALL children?? That?s lie number 2.

1. I?m sorry but I tend to see a difference between a fetus and a child, but I realize that this is not the case for all people, so I would rather not argue the point. Based on the dictionary this issue is a draw:
   child - pronunciation ?chld?
   n. pl. chil?dren (chldrn)
   1. A person between birth and puberty.
   2.1. An unborn infant; a fetus.
   2.2. An infant; a baby.

1. Yes, I saw the word ?add? and in no way does it make you correct. You were adding ?why I define liberal with? to what ?Liberals by definition?... a statement which was already shown to be spattered with personal opinion rather than fact. Consciously combining some truths and personal feelings with lies still makes you the liar. Shall we say lie number 3?

I agree with your statement ?There is nothing wrong with being liberal or conservative. Both strive to do what?s right.?, but I tend to not believe they necessarily must have the same goals. But this is beside the point when it?s your apparent dishonest nature that?s gotten me ticked off.