Mother of all GT-Rs!

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: TechnoKid

Originally posted by: BunLengthHotDog
To the folks listing cars saying they can keep up with a Skyline, as someone posted above...stock its nothing special, but these cars have been tuned to just over 1000HP...what part of this list could keep up with that?

Gallardo, Porsche GT2, GT3, Porsche Turbo X50 model, Ferrari F360, Ford GT, Corvette Lingenfelter TT (1/4 mile under 10seconds on street tires), Viper GTSR Comp, Hennessey Venom Viper, Mallet C5's, NSX CompTech, BMW Z8, Dinan M5, C55 Kompressor, S55 Kompressor, Caddy CTS-V S/C, Evo MR. Aston Martin, Bentley Continental GT, Noble M12, Mosler Raptor, Factory Five Cobra's.

HP doesn't mean everything. Being able to utilize all that power [properly] is everything imo. A balance of handling and power are key imo, to a great car. Thats not to say that a 1000HP Skyline doesn't have it, its that 1000HP is quite hard to put down to the ground unless it is a purpose built car such as Formula 1 or CART. To be able to fully utilize 1000HP on a Skyline would, imo, require a lot of modification to the car's design, so much where you'd pratically have re-engineered the whole car.

I'd take a Porsche GT3 cup car or even a Corvette C5-R or the new C6-R, or an Ultima GTR over a Skyline [even a highly tuned one] anyday on a track like Road Atlanta, Laguna Seca, Infineon, Willow Springs, Watkins Glen.... The Porsche GT3 has a very succesful record in the GT class of LeMans, and the Corvette C5-R has a very sucessful record in the GTS class.

Top fuel drag cars have been tuned to over 6000HP, what skyline can keep up with that????

My point exactly.

Besides that, as far as the video is concerned...it's nice to watch, and the skyline defintely gets credit, but I lend little credibility to the last clip of the R-33 vs. the 'busa until I see the entire race.

Edit: Just for clarity, people weren't trashing the skyline; people were trashing the idea of a $200k "factory" skyline.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: BunLengthHotDog
I understand the discussion of stock, the link doesn't list the specs, however...people were trashing the skyline in general on this post, and I wasnt sure why. Its simply an amazingly upgradable car....If the 200K price is too much, I would venture to say that you could buy a stock R33 or R34 and upgrade it to beat all of those cars listed for under 200K.

Heres a vid I found of a prototype R33 kicking the hell out of a Busa on a strip...its Realplayer though, I will look for another format (the drag with the Busa is at the end of the clip)

R33 vs Busa

It said this though: "And with an upgraded ECU, that gives the Z-tune a respectable 500hp and 540Nm of torque with a strong focus on low end response."

 

[CTrain]

Originally posted by: BunLengthHotDog

Originally posted by: CTrain
Ok, so its a nice rare car and all the rice boys will worship you if you own one but at $200 freakin K ???
You got to be kidding me....
No one else beside rice boys will even give it a second look. Everyone else will think you're a little too old to be owning a car reserve for teens.

Sh!t, if I had $200K, the top of my list would be a Ferrari, Lambo, etc..
Just because of the prestige and the amount of putang you get with having one

I am hardly a teen, and think that the car in the link is FAR from rice...Why does everyone immediately call anything that comes out of Japan rice no matter how nice the car may be. I think the 200K pricetag kinda elminates the possibility of it being a ricer. That being said, if I had 200 grand, I can think of many things I would purchase before that car, BUT...if 200K wouldnt hurt my financial situation I would certainly pick one up

Ok, I won't call it rice but what I meant was the car belongs to the import tuner crowd.
NO ONE beside these guys will know you have a $200K car.
Even you have stated...you can take a normal GT-R and make it a 1000hp car and it will be no where close to the $200K pricetag.
So what the difference between doing that and spending $200K on the special edition. Sure there's only 20 made but beside a very few people, who else will know ???

But if you spent $200K on a Ferrari, Lambo, you're getting get looks and the prestige that comes with it.
Did I mention putang ??

 

[BunLengthHotDog]

Originally posted by: TechnoKid


Top fuel drag cars have been tuned to over 6000HP, what skyline can keep up with that????

OK, a Jet has whatever horsepower, what fuel car can keep up with....blah blah, that game can be played all night.

All the cars listed are very pricey cars, but are similar in price. I said that for the price of teh fancy Eurotrash cars you could most likely build a skyline that would take most of those cars on a strip. As for handling...they are AWD, which I think would at least attest to decent handling. The guys driving the car in the videos I have seen have had no problems that I could detect.

 

[BunLengthHotDog]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: BunLengthHotDog
I understand the discussion of stock, the link doesn't list the specs, however...people were trashing the skyline in general on this post, and I wasnt sure why. Its simply an amazingly upgradable car....If the 200K price is too much, I would venture to say that you could buy a stock R33 or R34 and upgrade it to beat all of those cars listed for under 200K.

Heres a vid I found of a prototype R33 kicking the hell out of a Busa on a strip...its Realplayer though, I will look for another format (the drag with the Busa is at the end of the clip)

R33 vs Busa

It said this though: "And with an upgraded ECU, that gives the Z-tune a respectable 500hp and 540Nm of torque with a strong focus on low end response."

I skimmed through the article...that I didnt see...sorry

 

[styrafoam]

"one time we had a slumber party, and we went out and raced a skyline against a hayabusa."

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: BunLengthHotDog

Originally posted by: TechnoKid


Top fuel drag cars have been tuned to over 6000HP, what skyline can keep up with that????

OK, a Jet has whatever horsepower, what fuel car can keep up with....blah blah, that game can be played all night.

All the cars listed are very pricey cars, but are similar in price. I said that for the price of teh fancy Eurotrash cars you could most likely build a skyline that would take most of those cars on a strip. As for handling...they are AWD, which I think would at least attest to decent handling. The guys driving the car in the videos I have seen have had no problems that I could detect.

Yes, but they haven't been racing on a track against other race-tuned cars. 1000 hp is indeed a lot, but even AWD can't effectively put all that on the pavement. Hell, stock R-1's and Hayabusa's even have trouble with that, which is why you'll see so many motorcycle magazine writers say they prefer riding 600's or 750's instead.

Besides that, as has been said, a Ferrari or Porsche is designed from the ground up with its particular powertrain, transmission, etc. in mind. A 500HP skyline isn't.

 

[BunLengthHotDog]

We can agree to disagree then, my standpoint is that I would only buy that car if I wouldnt feel it in the wallet. I would also choose it over the Euro cars posted...thats just me. To each their own.

I suggest folks take a look at the following site, has more videos. You can call me a Rice fanboy, thats fine (I drive a WRX tehehe). I just think the Skyline is an amazing car, with nearly unrivaled upgradability. BTW, I don't play Gran Turismo, never have...dont even own a PS2.

Various Car Videos

Check out the movies section

EDIT : I think I saw a dyno of a Top Secret r33, it was putting down a little over 700 at the wheels I believe.
EDIT EDIT : Check out the SumoR34run.avi video

 

[UncleWai]

I am pretty sure the 20 that are going to buy the car won't give half a sh!t about the 200k.
So all you people that are judging the car based on the pricetag is fighting the wrong battle.
People will buy the car for the sake that there are only 20 made of these limited edition GT-Rs.
You people who are born and raised outside of Asia don't have the same feeling for the skyline as some hardcore car enthusiasts in Japan.

 

[TechnoKid]

Originally posted by: BunLengthHotDog

Originally posted by: TechnoKid


Top fuel drag cars have been tuned to over 6000HP, what skyline can keep up with that????

OK, a Jet has whatever horsepower, what fuel car can keep up with....blah blah, that game can be played all night.

All the cars listed are very pricey cars, but are similar in price. I said that for the price of teh fancy Eurotrash cars you could most likely build a skyline that would take most of those cars on a strip. As for handling...they are AWD, which I think would at least attest to decent handling. The guys driving the car in the videos I have seen have had no problems that I could detect.

I never said the Skyline was trash, but yet you go ahead and call european cars trash. hmmm... :roll:

All cars are great imo, some are better than others; I look at them from a mechanical and technological point of view...

You do have a valid point however, I couldn't detect a problem in the Skyline's handling either: it went in a straight line, no, like they are supposed to when the drag race?

AWD doesn't make the Skyline handle, it ceratinly adds to its handling capability, but a skyline's chassis setup and suspension gemoetry/theory and aerodynamics have more to do with its handling that can be attributed to its AWD alone.

For $200,000 one could build a pupose built drag car that would beat most any skyline you'd throw at it on the "strip/quatermile", of course, it would only go in a straight line.

Imo, I don't think the strip/drag racing is the sole way to determine if a car is better than another, though it can tell you what car accelerates faster.

 

[BunLengthHotDog]

Originally posted by: TechnoKid

Originally posted by: BunLengthHotDog

Originally posted by: TechnoKid


Top fuel drag cars have been tuned to over 6000HP, what skyline can keep up with that????

OK, a Jet has whatever horsepower, what fuel car can keep up with....blah blah, that game can be played all night.

All the cars listed are very pricey cars, but are similar in price. I said that for the price of teh fancy Eurotrash cars you could most likely build a skyline that would take most of those cars on a strip. As for handling...they are AWD, which I think would at least attest to decent handling. The guys driving the car in the videos I have seen have had no problems that I could detect.

I never said the Skyline was trash, but yet you go ahead and call european cars trash. hmmm...

All cars are great imo, some are better than others; I look at them from a mechanical and technological point of view...

You do have a valid point however, I couldn't detect a problem in the Skyline's handling either: it went in a straight line, no, like they are supposed to when the drag race?

AWD doesn't make the Skyline handle, it ceratinly adds to its handling capability, but a skyline's chassis setup and suspension gemoetry/theory and aerodynamics have more to do with its handling that can be attributed to its AWD alone.

For $200,000 one could build a pupose built drag car that would beat most any skyline you'd throw at it on the "strip/quatermile", of course, it would only go in a straight line.

Imo, I don't think the strip/drag racing is the sole way to determine if a car is better than another, though it can tell you what car accelerates faster.

That was a joke...I would cream my pants if someone let me sit in one of those cars...Its just an expression. Like I posted above, check out the SumoR34 vid above...claims to be the Euro record holder in the 1/4 (doh..thats for 4WD) I cannot argue with your assertion that strips are not the only way to judge a cars capabilities, I agree 100%...but I remember reading somewhere that the Skyline had its own class created in racing (in Japan at least) because it was killing everything else out there

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: Rent

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: KPSHAH316
Japanese Car for $200k. Yeah right:roll: When you're in Ferrari, Lamborghini, and SL/CL 65 AMG, you better have something to compete. I'd take the 430 over this anyday.

EDIT: Doesn't mean I wouldn't take it, if I could buy it for $100k. It will pull a Enzo in resale value

Too bad the Skyline will hand them their ass. Mmmmmkay, thanks, goodbye - on to the next badge whore.

Thats a bold statement. Purpose built supercars vs. hopped up econoboxes (to the exTREEEEEEEM) is all this is. I'm not saying the Skyline is a bad car cause I know its not, but its playing in a class that it probably won't last too long in.

Enzo & Carrera GT > Skyline.

Enzo and Carrera GT also cost half a million. This car should easily stay with or out perform the Ford GT, Ferrari F430, or Lambo Gallardo which are all of its closest competitors.

Not too long ago Top Gear had a Mitsu EVO beating the Lambo Murcielargo around their track (held up in the corners). Stop being so close minded.

 

[Rent]

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: Rent

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: KPSHAH316
Japanese Car for $200k. Yeah right:roll: When you're in Ferrari, Lamborghini, and SL/CL 65 AMG, you better have something to compete. I'd take the 430 over this anyday.

EDIT: Doesn't mean I wouldn't take it, if I could buy it for $100k. It will pull a Enzo in resale value

Too bad the Skyline will hand them their ass. Mmmmmkay, thanks, goodbye - on to the next badge whore.

Thats a bold statement. Purpose built supercars vs. hopped up econoboxes (to the exTREEEEEEEM) is all this is. I'm not saying the Skyline is a bad car cause I know its not, but its playing in a class that it probably won't last too long in.

Enzo & Carrera GT > Skyline.

Enzo and Carrera GT also cost half a million. This car should easily stay with or out perform the Ford GT, Ferrari F430, or Lambo Gallardo which are all of its closest competitors.

Not too long ago Top Gear had a Mitsu EVO beating the Lambo Murcielargo around their track (held up in the corners). Stop being so close minded.

Actually, Enzos trade hands at 1+million dollars at this point since they're no longer in production. Carrera GTs are availble for a shade under 500k.

I'm just saying I could spend $199k on a shopping cart and make it crazy fast, but it still wouldn't be in the same class as a purpose built supercar. I might be as fast or faster, but it still started out as a shopping cart.

Skylines are cool cars. I like Skylines. I think they've got some cool toys inside and out, but this is a Skyline on steriods. You could do the same to any other car out there and make them faster & sharper than this car. At this price point, you really aren't going to be cross shopping cars based on price, you're going to be comparing with performance.

So I stand by my origianl statement. Enzo & Carrera GT > Skyline.

And yes, I did see the FQ400 Evo v. the Murcielago. Its impressive, I know, but its still not a supercar.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

$170k? So this should do well against say, a Ferrari 430, Ford GT, Lamborgini Gallardo, and a Porche 911 GT3, right? Something tells me it wouldn't.

 

[CtK]

Originally posted by: Rent

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: KPSHAH316
Japanese Car for $200k. Yeah right:roll: When you're in Ferrari, Lamborghini, and SL/CL 65 AMG, you better have something to compete. I'd take the 430 over this anyday.

EDIT: Doesn't mean I wouldn't take it, if I could buy it for $100k. It will pull a Enzo in resale value

Too bad the Skyline will hand them their ass. Mmmmmkay, thanks, goodbye - on to the next badge whore.

Thats a bold statement. Purpose built supercars vs. hopped up econoboxes (to the exTREEEEEEEM) is all this is. I'm not saying the Skyline is a bad car cause I know its not, but its playing in a class that it probably won't last too long in.

Enzo & Carrera GT > Skyline.

uhh ur comparing a $500,000+ car to a $170,000 car?!?!?!

 

[dragonballgtz]

:Q

I wonder how much one will cost after the 20 are sold?

 

[CtK]

ppl only TWENTY will be made so its a limited edition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thats why the jacked up price
it will be a collectors edition and be worth more in a few years

 

[Adul]

repost

granted it was last year

 

[CraigRT]

that is so badass.......awesome!

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Rent

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: KPSHAH316
Japanese Car for $200k. Yeah right:roll: When you're in Ferrari, Lamborghini, and SL/CL 65 AMG, you better have something to compete. I'd take the 430 over this anyday.

EDIT: Doesn't mean I wouldn't take it, if I could buy it for $100k. It will pull a Enzo in resale value

Too bad the Skyline will hand them their ass. Mmmmmkay, thanks, goodbye - on to the next badge whore.

Thats a bold statement. Purpose built supercars vs. hopped up econoboxes (to the exTREEEEEEEM) is all this is. I'm not saying the Skyline is a bad car cause I know its not, but its playing in a class that it probably won't last too long in.

Enzo & Carrera GT > Skyline.

Of course it won't last long in the class it's set for. It will define a new class because it will dominate the current class. Do some research before you open your mouth. The GT-R's when 1st put on the race curcuit in Japan dominated the series so bad that a new class of races had to be created just for them. They were destroying Porches and Ferrari's.

 

[MasterAndCommander]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander
I'd rather have this GT-R

Does it have a solid rear axle?

Looks like it does

Rear
Three-link, solid axle with dynamic, fully adjustable shocks with remote reservoirs and coil-over springs, race-spec 1.25-inch panhard rod, and race-spec anti-sway bar

They kept 85% of the original car. Oh well, guess I'll have to wait until the Cobra in unveiled in March to see if they bring back IRS.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Thats not terribly uncommon though. There's a lot of cars when they debut in racing blow everything away because the governing body doesn't expect them to have that much of an advantage.

Take the Saleen S7 for instance. Early on in its races it was blowing everything in its class away, and was actually running with the prototype cars. So they slapped it with air inlet restrictions and ballast to make it compete more.

Why do these always turn into a fight. Sure its fast and rare, but don't compare it to a Ferrari because they're built with a different mindset. It wouldn't take much to get a Vette, Viper, or Porsche to a level where it could beat this car, and for cheaper too. Hennessey's Twin Turbo Viper would outhandle, outbrake, and tear the GT-R a new one in acceleration, all for less money. Does that make this GT-R bad? No, it just means that you can get a lot more for your money. If you dig Skylines, then thats cool, but don't try to say that its better than a Ferrari just because it might be able to outperform it by 0.01 seconds 0-60 or something.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Known about this for some time - you are saved a 'repost tho', it was in an Impreza Thread

 

[r00tcause]

Originally posted by: KPSHAH316

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
What are the cars that can compete with this Skyline?
How much do they cost?

the one in this post, or the Skyline in general?

The Ultima GTR owns this car, and all others, and its 27k dollars.

It's also much cooler looking.

Skyline = overrated.

 

[r00tcause]

Originally posted by: BunLengthHotDog
To the folks listing cars saying they can keep up with a Skyline, as someone posted above...stock its nothing special, but these cars have been tuned to just over 1000HP...what part of this list could keep up with that?

Gallardo, Porsche GT2, GT3, Porsche Turbo X50 model, Ferrari F360, Ford GT, Corvette Lingenfelter TT (1/4 mile under 10seconds on street tires), Viper GTSR Comp, Hennessey Venom Viper, Mallet C5's, NSX CompTech, BMW Z8, Dinan M5, C55 Kompressor, S55 Kompressor, Caddy CTS-V S/C, Evo MR. Aston Martin, Bentley Continental GT, Noble M12, Mosler Raptor, Factory Five Cobra's.

1000hp is ricer BS. They cant run that reliably. The 2.6 is uber-stressed at 1000hp.

Which cars? Viper Twin Turbo. Lingenfelter Turbo. Ultima GTR <-- My fav.