msn messenger for linux

plastick

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I searched google but only got spanish stuff... Is there an msn messenger for linux? I am using Fedora right now..
 

drag

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I like gaim, you can have a Yahoo account, MSN account, AIM account, IRQ account, and a couple others and have them all work on the same app..

Although I do remember a couple of those guys trying to make newer versions of their protocols incompatable with 3rd party apps..
 

plastick

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how do you install these? I know linux is different then windows..and I have yet to install aything... is it just a double click and it installs or what?
 

drag

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What OS your using?

Linux has several different ways to install differently packaged software. The most basic is to download the programming source code and compile and install it yourself. Next level up is pre-compiled packages in RPM and Deb formats. If your using Redhat you download the RPM file and install it. You have to make sure that it's for the same version that your using.

The one catch is that you may have to deal with dependances.

The ultimate is a package manager like APT for Debian, Apt/Yum for Redhat/Fedora, or Urpmi for Mandrake. You do a simple command like apt-get install gaim and it will download the program and it's dependances from a online ftp server and install them and configure them on you computer.

You can also use good package managers to even upgrade your OS from (for example) Redhat 8.0 to Redhat 9.0 or even to Fedora. (which is the newer version of Redhat)
 

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Amsn works the best by far...even has support for the display pictures. SuSE being one of the easiest distro's I have ever used, just download the AMSN installer from http://amsn.sourceforge.net/modules.php?name=Downloads and decompress it and run the installer script, it walks you through a graphical installation process. It is saved to /opt/amsn-X.X and you will have to change some permissions on that folder (chmod/chown) in order to let everyone use it.
 

plastick

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Now how does one decompress such a file?

I am not at my linux box right now to fiddle around.
 

plastick

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Well, lets say that I dont have yast... which I dont since I am now usinf fedora.

What do I have to do to install?
 

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If you're using Fedora, chances are "yum" is configured to grab the binaries from other servers for you. If it's not, try this link to set it up:

http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraHOWTO

Having done that, you can try:

yum install gaim

If this doesn't work, try looking for a yum repository which has gaim in there.

Good luck!
 

plastick

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Can someone give me a link to a site that explains all about this stuff? the methodology of installing things in unix? preferably suse? things like "rpm- ivh <packagename>" and "./configure &amp;&amp; make &amp;&amp; make install" drive me crazy and make me want to learn every detail about it so I can understand everything thats going on...
 

drag

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Some good places for information:

for suse specific documents here is the best bet

For general stuff you have 1000's of documents at The Linux Documentation Project
Like this one

2 search engines are very usefull, you have linux specific google searches
vivisimo pulls results from dozens of other search engines and the does a GREAT job sorting them by subject

Most of the time you can find answers to most any questions much faster thru google or whatever then getting a good answer from forums like this one. And probably more accurate descriptions. It's hard to get the facts straight 100% of the time when making a little reply to a place like this.


for the package/installing programs and such:

If you can it's best to find RPM files that work with your distro over compling and installing programs manually.

This is because the guy who made the RPM probably cares enough about the program to look into details of it's operation and whatnot to get it to work correctly. However there are a lot of bad package makers.

The other big advantage over source code is that the RPM is easily uninstallable. Source code installs sometimes have a "make uninstall" option, but normally you just have to go thru and delete the files by hand.

The other gotcha is what is known as "dependances". Unlike Windows most programmers don't pre-package all the files nessicary for operating a program just from a install. They expect that you already have the minimal requirements for installing programs.

For example you have library files. These are files that contain generic instuctions for use in applications. They are the same as DLL files in windows.

For example Gaim. Now the programmers for Gaim want to make a decent instant manager, but they don't want to deal with the task of figuring out how to render pixels on your screen. So they depend on you have X windows installed, they also depend on certian subsystems being installed like the ability to do TCP/IP. Also you have stuff like file dialogs, were you go save as or open and look for a file. They don't want to program those when so many other programs have to do the exact same thing. So instead of each and every program you use having their own version of a "open file" dialog they just put the code in a library file that everybody can use.

That way bunches of programs have have a similar look and feel, and improvements in the UI don't have to be reprogrammed into every program.

This dependancy crap is the real pain-in-the-butt part of installing programs in linux. Usually you can find out what you need by reading the "README" or Install files of a source code tarball. Also software authors usually go thru great pains to make websites and homepages for various programs that can outline what you need to do to install a programs.


HOWEVER people figured out a solution to the dependancy pains. The trouble is that Suse realy doesn't have a proper package managment program.

For example Fedora has Yum and the option to use Apt for rpms. Mandrake has Urpmi (which sucks, IMO). Debian has the uber-wonderfull Apt that they developed with literally tens of thousands programs aviable at your fingertips. Gentoo is a good distro that has the ability to automagicly build itself completely from source code easily.

But Suse doesn't realy have anything that does this natively.

That sucks because, for example, I am a debian user. All I have to do to install gaim is to go (as root) "apt-get install gaim", it will downlad gaim, download any dependances, set them up and install them. All off of the internet, no sweat. No dealing with compiling programs, no worrying about dependances, no having to read READMES. A good package manager can make Linux much easier to install programs then Windows or even Macs.

you can try this though That has a version of Apt4rpm that you can install. Generally to install RPMs you can do the command line "rpm -ivh blah blah blah" but buy double clicking on the file can probably install it thru your GUI enviroment. Just read thru the docs and such.

There are also other places like Freshrpms.net to get packages (also you can set up to use freshrpms thry apt4rpm).

If you don't want to go thru the trouble to install apt and just want the packages themselves you can use a place like RPMfind.net

Going from windows to Linux can be abrupt, but once you get used to how things are done and get confortable having to do command line everyonce and a while, stuff won't seem so difficult. There are lots of newbie docs out their on the internet can are very helpfull and finding answers for yourself quickly is something that will become second nature.
 
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