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Gates pleads guilty to fraud and will testify against Manafort in plea bargain.
 

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Gates pleads guilty to fraud and will testify against Manafort in plea bargain.
trumpets must be ecstatic. trump is not going to be able to hold the repub base the way this is going. Forget the mid-terms, this has been a disaster week for trumps legitimacy so far as being fit for office. I'm not questioning your huuuge electoral win, trump, just that you are detached from reality and not fit for office.
 
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trumpets must be ecstatic. trump is not going to be able to hold the repub base the way this is going. Forget the mid-terms, this has been a disaster week for trumps legitimacy so far as being fit for office. I'm not questioning your huuuge electoral win, trump, just that you are detached from reality and not fit for office.
Trumpublicans don't seem to care that Trump has surrounded himself by people that keep pleading guilty to stuff and making plea bargains. They don't seem to care that nearly everyone he surrounds himself is corrupt. Yet TRUMP THE MAGNIFICENT ORANGE GOD is somehow squeaky clean or at least NOT corrupt or treasonous like them other fellas.

The amount of magical thinking that has to happen to keep supporting and believing in him is the stuff of Satan's miracles (if I believed in Satan).

Stay Pure Trump! ... A pure piece of shit, pure evil, purely corrupt, purely treasonous, on and on. Can't wait for it to be the end of him!
 
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zinfamous

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You and a few others here have a real fixation around Sp33dy. Why is that? Are you hoping to make a big discovery and become a moderator or an "effete member". Did he fvck your mother? Wife? GF? Brother? Or maybe it's you that misses that c0ck. In any case, get some help.

Ignored.

damn it, sp33dy, why do you give yourself away so easily?
 

zinfamous

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From indictment 55 a-d:

"a. In or around August 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators used false U.S. personas to communicate with Trump Campaign staff involved in local community outreach about the “Florida Goes Trump” rallies."

Mueller's wording is very careful throughout but also leaves a few clues as to where this is heading, I think. Here we have direct contact with the trump campaign under the cover of all this contact with Americans was done "unwittingly".

Coming soon, as Mueller lays out his case and the indictments continue, we'll start seeing names. Should be crazy.

The thing is, the names of the Russians that were tagged are now public. Which means, if Mueller already has targets in the Trump campaign and if this scandal really does have direct connections to Trump, then those Trump staffers now know, for sure, that Mueller has or has had access to the same people they have worked with.

I guess we can think about that for a second, because one would think we start to know real soon how serious this is for Trump, based on this upcoming 1 or 2 weeks events. ...but hey! Great thing for Florida, eh!? Trump can now spend all its breath further discrediting the FBI for juvenile reasons.
 
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Ive just finished reading the 37 page indictment, and have come to the conclusion Russia wasnt so much trying to get Trump into office (as this campaign started in 2014) but rather to create division and discord within America and it's voters. I would have to say they did that IN SPADES. As the old saying goes, a house divided against itself cannot stand. This is evidenced by the fact there were plants and rallies for BOTH sides of the aisle, and showing faux support for many candidates.

It angers me that this has caused such division in our country. Hate speech on both sides has never been as divisive as it has been in the last year. We've spent so much time focusing on "the other side" we've forgotten we're ALL Americans. Im reminded of our country's unity after 9/11. We cared not whether our neighbor was Republican or Democrat, but rather supported them as an American. I wish it didnt take a tragedy like that to bring unity to us all.

Thing is, roughly 70%+ in this nation already knew exactly these things, back in 2016, 2015. These were well-established stories, well-documented, brilliantly reported, FOR THREE YEARS.

And yet, you are now saddened that "this has divided us!" ....That divided us? That did?

So, where were you when 70%+ of us were pointing that out? We weren't dividing anything. We were having to explain to a preposterously loud minority of devolving imbeciles that they had lost their minds in extremely short order...but they just got angrier and angrier, and voted for a vile vegetable of a human. Those that didn't vote for Trump, and certainly stopped supporting the GOP and Trump in response to Trump, are not the ones that have divided anything.
 
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Trumpublicans don't seem to care that Trump had surrounded himself by people that keep pleading guilty to stuff and making plea bargains. They don't seem to care that nearly everyone he surrounds himself is corrupt. Yet TRUMP THE MAGNIFICENT ORANGE GOD is somehow squeaky clean or at least NOT corrupt or treasonous like them other fellas.

The amount of magical thinking that has to happen to keep supporting and believing in him is the stuff of Satan's miracles (if I believed in Satan).

Stay Pure Trump! ... A pure piece of shit, pure evil, purely corrupt, purely treasonous, on and on. Can't wait for it to be the end of him!

The really special thing about Trump's chumps is that they have to know what a prodigious abject liar Trump is but for some strange reason they think Trump never EVER lies to them.

Imagine that huh? I get a lol from deep down in my gut every time I see these folks at one of their groupie rallies with Trump lying his ass off to them and they're eating it all up and shaking the rafters loose having a delusional Trump worship orgy in the stands.
 
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The thing is, the names of the Russians that were tagged are now public. Which means, if Mueller already has targets in the Trump campaign and if this scandal really does have direct connections to Trump, then those Trump staffers now know, for sure, that Mueller has or has had access to the same people they have worked with.

I guess we can think about that for a second, because one would think we start to know real soon how serious this is for Trump, based on this upcoming 1 or 2 weeks events. ...but hey! Great thing for Florida, eh!? Trump can now spend all its breath further discrediting the FBI for juvenile reasons.
You can already see people like trey gowdie wavering some. Add McCain, Flake, Graham of repubs I think, or hope would put country before trump. Not party. They're putting this asshole trump before country. Shameful.

And how silent has nunes, gaetz and the like been ? I assume congress has a better idea than we do. The leaks they get must be x100 what we see reported.

Thats why I say he won't be able to hold the base much longer. America can't stand for it.
 
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The really special thing about Trump's chumps is that they have to know what a prodigious abject liar Trump is but for some strange reason they think Trump never EVER lies to them.

Imagine that huh? I get a lol from deep down in my gut every time I see these folks at one of their groupie rallies with Trump lying his ass off to them and they're eating it all up and shaking the rafters loose having a delusional Trump worship orgy in the stands.
I wonder if that "strange reason" could be money? Nah...
 

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The really special thing about Trump's chumps is that they have to know what a prodigious abject liar Trump is but for some strange reason they think Trump never EVER lies to them.

Imagine that huh? I get a lol from deep down in my gut every time I see these folks at one of their groupie rallies with Trump lying his ass off to them and they're eating it all up and shaking the rafters loose having a delusional Trump worship orgy in the stands.
Exactly like an abusive relationship with out the abusers empty apologies. Or is it more like the pathetic story of woman meets bad boy type and thinks she can change him. Wait... Are Trumpublicans just One stupid, delusionally optimistic, pathetic Woman? *sigh* I have no patience for THEM either.
 

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The more I think about the indictments and Rosensteins meticulous briefing replies, I admire more how they've crafted it so far.

With the indictment being sure not to ruffle any trumpian feathers by both including "unwitting" in the indictment and then stating the much sought after "no collusion" in the briefing, he makes it really difficult for the WH to assail this rather spectacular document. Indeed, they've embraced it, again apparently unable to see that by doing so, they make it very difficult to cry foul when the "persons both known and unkown" and others are revealed. Even with Rosenstein making clear to anyone listening that he was addressing only "this document", they cannot or will not see that this investigation has a long way to go and its bound to be very interesting.
 

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The more I think about the indictments and Rosensteins meticulous briefing replies, I admire more how they've crafted it so far.

With the indictment being sure not to ruffle any trumpian feathers by both including "unwitting" in the indictment and then stating the much sought after "no collusion" in the briefing, he makes it really difficult for the WH to assail this rather spectacular document. Indeed, they've embraced it, again apparently unable to see that by doing so, they make it very difficult to cry foul when the "persons both known and unkown" and others are revealed. Even with Rosenstein making clear to anyone listening that he was addressing only "this document", they cannot or will not see that this investigation has a long way to go and its bound to be very interesting.

Meh. Every parent knows a few cunning tactics to try and get their kids to eat vegetables, but chances are there's still going to be a hissy fit before meal time is over.
 

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Gloves are coming off .. more off, off again.. hmmm..

"Whatever Trump Is Hiding Is Hurting All of Us Now"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/...times&smtyp=cur&mtrref=t.co&assetType=opinion

"President Trump is either totally compromised by the Russians or is a towering fool, or both, but either way he has shown himself unwilling or unable to defend America against a Russian campaign to divide and undermine our democracy."

Holy crap, some of these people are moving into colbert territory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DntbTNkpDE0
 
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Trump is all in embracing the danger of Russia now that Mueller indictments are in and he thinks he's in the clear because it doesn't lead directly to him without appreciating that Mueller would be a huge fool to release any indictment that did at this stage. All his behavior does is show how massively he has fucked this country by ignoring or supporting Russia until now.
 
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Trump is all in embracing the danger of Russia now that Mueller indictments are in and he thinks he's in the clear because it doesn't lead directly to him without appreciating that Mueller would be a huge fool to release any indictment that did at this stage. All his behavior does is show how massively he has fucked this country by ignoring or supporting Russia until now.
The fact that he refuses to enact the bipartisan congressional sanctions speaks volumes right now.
 
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I think Congressional Republicans have a plan to get rid of Trump after the mid-terms and are just trying to hold on as long as possible to their majority. If they let Mueller finish his investigation and deliver his report to Congress in full view of the public, it will be a stain so deep they'll never recover from it. If they get rid of him before, heatedly on obstruction charges only, then issue blanket pardon in relation to Russia conspiracy, Mueller will never have a chance to bring his evidence to court directly to Trump. Only way to salvage anything from this sinking ship.
 

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I think Congressional Republicans have a plan to get rid of Trump after the mid-terms and are just trying to hold on as long as possible to their majority.
Their plan to usurp him during the primaries failed so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for anything to materialize.
 

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You and a few others here have a real fixation around Sp33dy. Why is that? Are you hoping to make a big discovery and become a moderator or an "effete member". Did he fvck your mother? Wife? GF? Brother? Or maybe it's you that misses that c0ck. In any case, get some help.

Ignored.


I'd first suggest pulling the c0ck residing in your ass out of your rectum.....it's impeding your speech and thinking processes.

Pro tip: it's not dignified to out yourself such as you just did.....others might start to believe what some are saying about you. Some do say you've spent just a few too many nights bent over, grabbing your ankles. Not me....but some are sayin'.......
 
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Their plan to usurp him during the primaries failed so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for anything to materialize.
Simple, wait till after the midterms, then impeach him, he can’t threaten them with being challenged in the primaries then.
 
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Trumpublicans don't seem to care that Trump has surrounded himself by people that keep pleading guilty to stuff and making plea bargains. They don't seem to care that nearly everyone he surrounds himself is corrupt. Yet TRUMP THE MAGNIFICENT ORANGE GOD is somehow squeaky clean or at least NOT corrupt or treasonous like them other fellas.

Trump's approval rating is the highest it has been in over 9 months at 41+%. That is nearly a 5% bounce since mid-December of last year. Russia does not seem to be resonating as much as some people expected. Unless and until charges are actually filed against Trump himself, Russiagate is probably just white noise for many Americans.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
 

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Trump's approval rating is the highest it has been in over 9 months at 41+%. That is nearly a 5% bounce since mid-December of last year. Russia does not seem to be resonating as much as some people expected. Unless and until charges are actually filed against Trump himself, Russiagate is probably just white noise for many Americans.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

An approval rating 19 points underwater is a disastrous showing.
 
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bshole

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An approval rating 19 points underwater is a disastrous showing.

LoL, for every other President it is. For Trump it is closing in on a high water mark. I believe the boost in Trumps approval is likely tied to the crappy tax bill the Republicans passed.

BTW, I think you meant 9 points underwater.
 
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