Russians held a Trump is not my President rally. Moore was there, where you Jhhnn?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...mp-rally-allegedly-organized-by-russians.html
"Michael Moore, the polemical filmmaker who has long accused President Trump of colluding with Russians, posted videos and pictures of himself participating in a protest in Manhattan that was allegedly organized by Russians in November 2016."
I'm saying that there was a hell of a lot more to the story that you completely ignore because it doesn't fit your narrative.My first point is entirely accurate. If you are saying that the Russians working to help Trump is a flimsy premise then you should talk to the entire US intelligence community about it.
I'm totally speculating here...but I imagine Trump may have communicated with the Russians after he was elected...but being a complete noob didn't know it was OK to do so and lied about it to cover up a non-crime. That's my guess.Also, I didn't ask you if you KNEW he was covering up something, I asked you if you thought that was the most LIKELY answer. Do you?
I'll know it when I see it. But a 10 second sound bite from a stump speech just doesn't cut it for me.
I'm saying that there was a hell of a lot more to the story that you completely ignore because it doesn't fit your narrative.
I'm totally speculating here...but I imagine Trump may have communicated with the Russians after he was elected...but being a complete noob didn't know it was OK to do so and lied about it to cover up a non-crime. That's my guess.
When certain facts of the matter don't quite align with your narrative....ignore. That's the ticket!None of the rest of it matters as to whether or not Trump did something here as we're only concerning ourselves with Trump and what criminal actions he or his associates may have taken.
When certain facts of the matter don't quite align with your narrative....ignore. That's the ticket!
I'm sorry, but I only have only so much time and patience with you. Just pointing out the obvious on the outside chance you're willing to engage in relatively honest discussion regarding the subject.You literally just did that by cutting off the rest of my post, haha. Do you have any thoughts on how to square Trump's directing his son to lie about actions during the election if his only 'crime' was talking to the Russians innocently AFTER the election? I'm curious to hear the explanation for that one.
Presumably you are not disputing the unanimous conclusion of the intelligence community that Russia interfered in our election to help Trump. Whatever else the Russians did, it doesn't relate to Trump's actions, which is what is under discussion here. I'm not sure what the confusion is.
I'm sorry, but I only have only so much time and patience with you. Just pointing out the obvious on the outside chance you're willing to engage in relatively honest discussion regarding the subject.
When certain facts of the matter don't quite align with your narrative....ignore. That's the ticket!
I wonder what sad avenue the Trump clown car will take us down next?When it finally has to be admitted that Russian meddling occurred the obvious answer is to... blame Obama, of course-
http://abcnews.go.com/US/attorney-general-hot-seat-trump-tweet/story?id=53250164
"The Russians wouldn't have been able to help me if Obama had been doing his job!"
The dissembling is getting pretty desperate.
The objective of the Russians was to create discord in our political system and election process...effectively payback for what Hillary did to Putin in 2011.Perhaps you can explain to us all what complexities you think I'm leaving out and how they are relevant to possible criminal actions by Trump or his associates.
The objective of the Russians was to create discord in our political system and election process...effectively payback for what Hillary did to Putin in 2011.
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/clinton-putin-226153
We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him. All three agencies agree with this judgment. CIA and FBI have high confidence in this judgment; NSA has moderate confidence.
I was just saying that to my husband last night. Never before since I started on this forum did I take it seriously that there could be bots or propagandist or whatever they are called on this forum. But the sheer amount of them and the timing has absolutely given me cause to be suspicious. I left a few threads because of them. How long before their rotation moves to another place you think?More than likely another paid "consultant" of the troll factory. Don't you find it interesting that quite a few "conservatives" who'd been gone for months suddenly, en mass, reappear in threads like the school mass shooting thread and just after Mueller indicts a bunch of Russians?
And the rhetoric is identical across multiple forums, Twitter, Facebook, etc. Just a bunch of paid trolls doing their "job."
.. By getting Trump elected. You finally saw the light congratz.The objective of the Russians was to create discord in our political system ..
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/clinton-putin-226153
The "nothing burger" is turning up new indictments weekly against people who worked for the Trump 2016 campaign.
Better still is that Mueller has AAA-talent digging into the finances of Trump's empire, which has laundered money for the Russian mob through his properties for decades.
The Special Counsel probe is a gift that keeps on giving. In no other imaginable situation would we have a team of dozens of the best prosecutors and investigators in the entire country all working towards the singular goal of exposing any possible illegal activities by the Trump 2016 campaign, including it's principal who is now the President.
Yea excellent point.. If we gang up and report some of the obvious ones and gives reason as suspected foreign agent, you think the mods will do little digging? Like are they coming out of known VPNs etc..?More than likely another paid "consultant" of the troll factory. Don't you find it interesting that quite a few "conservatives" who'd been gone for months suddenly, en mass, reappear in threads like the school mass shooting thread and just after Mueller indicts a bunch of Russians?
And the rhetoric is identical across multiple forums, Twitter, Facebook, etc. Just a bunch of paid trolls doing their "job."
I think they were as surprised as everyone was when Trump got elected... By getting Trump elected. You finally saw the light congratz.
Like when Putin and cabinet gave a standing ovation when it happened.. It could simply be because Trump won fair and square and they were just watching an unfixed game for sports... Cause that is how Putin rolls rightI think they were as surprised as everyone was when Trump got elected.
But they’re also paying Americans.Yea excellent point.. If we gang up and report some of the obvious ones and gives reason as suspected foreign agent, you think the mods will do little digging? Like are they coming out of known VPNs etc..?
It's a poor guess. There's no way. Trump was well aware before winning that Russia was a hot topic. Or are you suggesting he was oblivious to it? That alone would make him too inept to hold the office. He has been nothing but sketchy, elusive at times, blatantly obvious at times, pro Putin, questionable in his moves or lack there of toward Russia, an obstructionist (of the process of justice) at times, outright lied and been fact checked immediately and most of that before AND after his win. You're either lying to yourself or you're lying to us.I'm saying that there was a hell of a lot more to the story that you completely ignore because it doesn't fit your narrative.
I'm totally speculating here...but I imagine Trump may have communicated with the Russians after he was elected...but being a complete noob didn't know it was OK to do so and lied about it to cover up a non-crime. That's my guess.
Putin hated Hillary for what she did to him and his country in 2011. It wasn't so much that he wanted Trump to win...it was that he really, really wanted to see Hillary lose, no matter who ran against her.Like when Putin and cabinet gave a standing ovation when it happened.. It could simply be because Trump won fair and square and they were just watching an unfixed game for sports... Cause that is how Putin rolls right
I think they were as surprised as everyone was when Trump got elected.