That depends on what you think actually happened.Right, so why are they all lying about them?
Trump gives the Democrats a villain and fuel for the resistance. Take out Trump and you run the risk of losing the momentum of a movement. Trump is a useful idiot to more than just the RussiansYou’re definitely right that republicans won’t impeach him. Even if Democrats retake the house it’s hard to imagine finding ~16 Republican senators to vote for conviction. Then again, this investigation is starting to look really bad for him, so I guess you never know.
What do you think he is guilty of? Collusion, obstruction of justice or getting caught in a web of liesI think Trump is incompetent but not stupid. The most likely reason he’s acting so guilty is the obvious one: because he is.
Why didn't Obama move to stop Russia interference, stating that it was silly to say Russia was a threat, and they had no impact on our elections? Once the Queen didn't win the election, Russia became dangerous again.
Looks like he dug up Liberals partying at Russian sponsored anti-Trump rallies.
Considering his deliberate attempts to incite discord he just might be a genuine bot.You are so slow. That also means you're a lost cause.
The GRU pays him enough to get by.How does someone as dense as you survive? Are you a responsible self supporting adult with a real job and a place to live?
Considering his deliberate attempts to incite discord he just might be a genuine bot.
The GRU pays him enough to get by.
Considering the shallowness of some of his posts I would also consider product quality tester/demonstrator for a local drug dealer.Thats extremely likely more likely than he has a real job and a family he manages to support but I was also thinking things like mom, ssi, works at a gas station, etc.
Was it not within Obama’s purview to protect our democracy given the mounting evidence of Russian interference in the election? On the one hand, the nominee for your party is under FBI investigation due to a self inflicted wound. On the other hand, the candidate of the opposition party is, at best, the useful idiot of a foreign government seeking to undermine our democracy.That's some Grade A whataboutism, Brandon.
Don't you think that protecting our democracy lies in the purview of the man who is currently our commander in chief?
That depends on what you think actually happened.
Trump gives the Democrats a villain and fuel for the resistance. Take out Trump and you run the risk of losing the momentum of a movement. Trump is a useful idiot to more than just the Russians
What do you think he is guilty of? Collusion, obstruction of justice or getting caught in a web of lies
trying to obfuscate reasonable challenges to the legitmacy of his Presidency?
Was it not within Obama’s purview to protect our democracy given the mounting evidence of Russian interference in the election? On the one hand, the nominee for your party is under FBI investigation due to a self inflicted wound. On the other hand, the candidate of the opposition party is, at best, the useful idiot of a foreign government seeking to undermine our democracy.
What do you do?
Considering the shallowness of some of his posts I would also consider product quality tester/demonstrator for a local drug dealer.
Why not, he’s had his waterboys parroting the prowess of his business acumen for decades, all based on lies and shady back room deals. The cult of personality around meglomaniacs is highly persuasive.I mean he admitted to obstruction of justice on national television so there’s that. As for the rest, I don’t know. Like I said before we have a set of facts that strongly indicate he’s guilty of something, but I don’t know what.
You don’t have everyone around you lie about the same thing and you don’t try to repeatedly get yourself in legal jeopardy trying to derail an investigation where you know they won’t find anything.
I appreciate you acknowledging that Obama deserves some criticism, but I don’t agree with your conclusion. Democrats will never rebuke Obama, but this is certainly a stain on his legacy.It was. Obama failed in that duty, agreed, but let’s remember why: Republicans successfully coerced him into inaction. I’m totally open to criticizing Obama on that but I’m not interested in hearing criticism of him from any Republican. They are basically saying ‘why did you let us make you do that bad thing!?’
Why not, he’s had his waterboys parroting the prowess of his business acumen for decades, all based on lies and shady back room deals. The cult of personality around meglomaniacs is highly persuasive.
I appreciate you acknowledging that Obama deserves some criticism, but I don’t agree with your conclusion. Democrats will never rebuke Obama, but this is certainly a stain on his legacy.
I look forward to the day when Democrats no longer have the Republicans to blame for when they demonstrate a lack of judgment. We would have never voted for the war in Iraq if the Republicans hadn’t tricked us. We would have never signed away due process and provided the President with unbounded surveillance authorizations (no wait actually we would). I would never have setup the private server if there wasn’t a vast right wing conspiracy out to get me. I would never have let the Russians undermine the election if the nominee of my own party did compromise my ability to hold the opposition party accountable for selling out the country just to win an election.
Isn’t this how every Scooby Doo episode ends?
Obama asked McConnell to jointly address Russian interference in the election. McConnell refused and said he would paint any such efforts as a partisan attempt by the president to undermine the integrity of our electoral process.
Once you do that, you forfeit any right to complain about Obama not doing more. The rest of us can, but conservatives are in time out on this one considering they sided with the enemy.
There are numerous sources...it's pretty much considered common knowledge.I have seen that floated a few times, but only from Putin's point of view and never saw any evidence from Putin other than his word.
Have you ever seen anything other than that?
Do you have anything to back up your "simple as that" opinion?You really think that Putin moves out of spite here? Putin moved on Trump cause he would be the better alternative for Russia and Putins vision for geopolitical power. Less USA means more Putin. Hillary would have meant more USA and less Putin. Simple as that.
I never said it was OK. That's all you...and the imaginary voices in your head.I see it was only against Hillary, I get it that’s ok then
Do you have anything to back up your "simple as that" opinion?
Do you have anything to back up your "simple as that" opinion?
Look, if he doesn't see the evidence on his own fingers that 2+2 equals 4, then it could be anything. It could be negative numbers! Who knows until we do the research and show the evidence!Yea. Gravity. But of course it is hard to argue gravity with a flat earther.
Was it not within Obama’s purview to protect our democracy given the mounting evidence of Russian interference in the election? On the one hand, the nominee for your party is under FBI investigation due to a self inflicted wound. On the other hand, the candidate of the opposition party is, at best, the useful idiot of a foreign government seeking to undermine our democracy.
What do you do?
End result-Obama did nothing before the election against the Russians
I grew up with the USSR as my country's mortal enemy. We thought the fall of the wall and the dissolution of the Soviet Union would change that relationship forever, but it seems that we're headed for another Cold War. Consider, if you will, that reluctance to move towards a more aggressive posture toward Russia might not be necessarily be partisan, but instead be borne by the dreadful memory of living in constant fear of nuclear annihilation. It strikes me that the increase in negative attitudes in the US toward Russia directly serves many powerful interests that are, to say the least, not benign....They intend us no good so people need to think long & hard about finding themselves on the same side of the argument as these guys. Or just stick with being a chump easily swayed by highly calculated propaganda.
A thoughtful response and I agree with everything you wrote. I will offer a few counterpoints.Obama was facing a personal lose-lose decision, and one that would create even more bitter partisan division within the US.
Look at the situation he we facing. Obama invited McConnell and Ryan to meetings where they were exposed to the results of what the intelligence agencies found about Russian meddling. Both ABSOLUTELY REFUSED to go along with any action against the Russians on purely partisan grounds. Thus Obama would have to take action on his own, which would have given all appearances of being a purely partisan action designed to favor Hillary Clinton. Any action he took could have easily turned off fence sitting voters, who would have likely just stayed home. Remember this was at a time when all the polls indicated Trump had a 10% chance of winning at best.
End result-Obama did nothing before the election against the Russians, but after the election took significant action and, even more important, disseminated the intelligence information widely across the bureaucracy and declassified as much of it as possible-to prevent an incoming Trump administration from burying it.
Obama has previously proved his political guts-he made the decision to take out Bin Laden in a high risk mission that if it went wrong, would have forever portrayed him as another Jimmy Carter with his failed mission to rescue the US hostages in Iran. I won't join in the Monday morning quarterbacking that faults his decisions on Russia.
In the end the fault lies with the apathetic American voting public. Hopefully Trump will be a wake up call-participate in our democracy or be prepared to throw it away forever.
I grew up with the USSR as my country's mortal enemy. We thought the fall of the wall and the dissolution of the Soviet Union would change that relationship forever, but it seems that we're headed for another Cold War. Consider, if you will, that reluctance to move towards a more aggressive posture toward Russia might not be necessarily be partisan, but instead be borne by the dreadful memory of living in constant fear of nuclear annihilation. It strikes me that the increase in negative attitudes in the US toward Russia directly serves many powerful interests that are, to say the least, not benign.
I haven't really engaged in this debate, and probably won't, since I'm too ambivalent about it all to make a firm stand, but what it has prompted is some thought about the nature of free speech in the global context. We can't go down the road to censorship and still remain a free nation, but we want to demand full disclosure on the origin of speech. This strikes me as unworkable in the long run, so what we are left with is the fact that foreign influence in the form of speech is here to stay, unless we want to emulate a totalitarian state like the PRC.
A thoughtful response and I agree with everything you wrote. I will offer a few counterpoints.
I don’t think its Monday morning quarterbacking because the game isn’t over yet, but Obama certainly made some errors.
Obama was in a lose-lose situation solely because he based his decision on Clinton’s inevitability while also simultaneously boxed in by the fact that she was under FBI investigation. Take away the FBI investigation, and factor in Obama’s strong popularity ratings, and assertive intervention becomes the easy decision.
The fence sitting voters came out for Trump in the end anyway.
What he did after the election wasn’t gutsy at all, as those actions play right into the narrative Trump is now using to undermine the investigation.
The Bin Laden call is one I would expect a President TO make. He shouldn’t be making such calls out of fear for his legacy.
I don’t think its apathy. I think we are all victims of Russia’s incredibly effective social media, propaganda and disinformation strategy.