Mueller indicts Russians

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zinfamous

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I'm not sure why we're doing a happy dance here. Russians were putting out propaganda on social media with the intent of swaying the election, I thought that was established already? Weren't we all waiting for the Trump connection?

the thing is that roughly 30% of the population here honestly did not believe that was true. ....so this is more confirmation for them, but of course they will probably still cry deep state.
 

Atreus21

Lifer
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Let it ring that the only thing President Trump has ever said or done to condemn or deter Russia in any way comes on 2/16/18 at 12:18PM and reads:

Russia started their anti-US campaign in 2014, long before I announced that I would run for President. The results of the election were not impacted. The Trump campaign did nothing wrong - no collusion!
All he has ever said and done to help was say it wasn't his fault. Jesus effing Christ how can anyone thing this is OK?

Didn't he sign a bill sanctioning them?
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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How so? If that is the root of this, then I have misunderstood. I see no reason to believe she did or did not, but you are saying that is in and of itself spreading scandalous claims?

You might be a serial killer. I have no proof that you are, but then again, I have never seen any proof that you aren't. I just thought I'd throw that into the thread, because of course, it's oh so important to discuss anything and everything in the universe which theoretically could be true.

Face it, you were throwing out an extraordinarily weak insinuation for which you acknowledge you have zero proof in order to play your usual both sides game. "Well, mayyybbbeee Hillary did it too."
 
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UNCjigga

Lifer
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Didn't he sign a bill sanctioning them?

Signed a bill but didn't actually implement said sanctions.

Might be a moot point--we just killed 300 mercenaries linked to the leader of the troll farm in Syria. Who knows if that action was authorized by Trump but I'm sure he's aware.
 

vi edit

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He had deadlines to actually implement the sanctions. He did nothing. Declined to do anything. Hasn’t publicly assured the American people they are doing anything to protect elections either.

Then there's the whole part where Tillerson and the state department basically shut down there sanctions office.
 
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interchange

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Didn't he sign a bill sanctioning them?

Well... He signed a bill accepting responsibility for implementing sanctions, oversaw an administration which imposed big cuts to the State department including those responsible for implementing foreign sanctions, missed multiple implementation deadlines, and ultimately delivered correspondence to Congress that he never would. So I'm going to file that one under the category of actions taken by a hypocritical traitorous shithole. Fair?
 

woolfe9998

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Well... He signed a bill accepting responsibility for implementing sanctions, oversaw an administration which imposed big cuts to the State department including those responsible for implementing foreign sanctions, missed multiple implementation deadlines, and ultimately delivered correspondence to Congress that he never would. So I'm going to file that one under the category of actions taken by a hypocritical traitorous shithole. Fair?

Yup. It should also be mentioned that in regards to the signing of the bill itself, it had been passed with near unanimity by Congress meaning it would have been passed over his veto. Vetoing it would have been so politically foolish in light of the investigation and pending allegations, he had really had no option not to sign it.
 
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realibrad

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You might be a serial killer. I have no proof that you are, but then again, I have never seen any proof that you aren't. I just thought I'd throw that into the thread, because of course, it's oh so important to discuss anything and everything in the universe which theoretically could be true.

Face it, you were throwing out an extraordinarily weak insinuation for which you acknowledge you have zero proof in order to play your usual both sides game. "Well, mayyybbbeee Hillary did it too."

The question was asked if the indictment was proof she did not work with the Russians. I said no. That was because the indictment has nothing to do with that topic. There was no insinuation because I don't believe she did. I also don't believe she did not because there is nothing to indicate otherwise. That is separate from my comment in response that started this.

This indictment is just about Russians trying to influence the election. It does not mean Trump is innocent or guilty. It does not mean Hillary is innocent or guilty. It does not mean you ate lunch today. Thus, the answer to the question is no, we cannot say anything about Hillary because of this indictment other than she was a target of Russia.
 

Maxima1

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lol He's full of it.

Trump's recent tweet: "Russia started their anti-US campaign in 2014, long before I announced that I would run for President. The results of the election were not impacted. The Trump campaign did nothing wrong - no collusion!"


Yet Artem Kluyshin's (associated with a guy who runs the brothel that is thought to have blackmail on Donnie) wife tweeted this beginning 2014.



 
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ivwshane

Lifer
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How could it possibly be proven? Ask every voter if a Facebook meme changed their mind? Think for once in your life and don’t look to fox for your thoughts.

Here's the irony; slowspyder is on record as saying he was for Clinton until some scandalous stuff came out about Hillary and the DNC. This indictment talks about how the Russians put out stories, rallies, social media, etc and slow inadvertently admitted that he was duped by it and therefore by the Russians.


Lol!
 
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woolfe9998

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The question was asked if the indictment was proof she did not work with the Russians. I said no. That was because the indictment has nothing to do with that topic. There was no insinuation because I don't believe she did. I also don't believe she did not because there is nothing to indicate otherwise. That is separate from my comment in response that started this.

This indictment is just about Russians trying to influence the election. It does not mean Trump is innocent or guilty. It does not mean Hillary is innocent or guilty. It does not mean you ate lunch today. Thus, the answer to the question is no, we cannot say anything about Hillary because of this indictment other than she was a target of Russia.

I don't know what you mean when you use the word "proof." The indictment says that these Russian organizations and individuals did various illegal things to help elect Trump. So if Clinton had colluded with the Russians, that would mean that an entirely different set of Russian individuals and organizations were working to help Clinton, at cross purposes with the activities of the indicted group. Doesn't seem likely, does it?

I think when you say "proof" you don't mean "evidence" but something like absolute proof. Of course it's still theoretically possible that Clinton worked with the Russians in some way, but what's in the indictment makes it substantially unlikely and hence it is relevant evidence to strongly suggest that she did no such thing.

When someone said that this indictment put the notion of Clinton colluding with the Russians to rest, he was essentially correct. Then you basically came in and said, no, it's still theoretically possible she could have. While that is technically true, from what we now know, the chances of it are extremely remote. That's why people call you pedantic.
 
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skull

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It has because you and your ilk of imbeciles keep saying Trump colluded but have produced zero evidence outside of the dossier. We absolutely know that Clinton, the DNC, and people at the top levels of the DOJ knowingly tried to hide financial and working ties to the dossier. Which could be one of several possible attempts by the Russians to influence the election. We also know the DNC did influence the election on the Democrat side and still some questions about possible money laundering by Clinton once she took over the DNC fund raising. I still don't know how you can continue to question that. Please tell me what part(s) you still refute.

Zero evidence? You always seem to forget don jr met with the russians to get dirt on hillary. Your so big on conspiracy theories I wonder what you'd think if it was Chelsea meeting with the russians and hillary that got elected.
 
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UberNeuman

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Tip of the iceburg. I am going to enjoy watching you little Trump supporters get your "reality" crushed before your eyes.
 
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...anized-anti-trump-rallies-after-election.html

"The Russians indicted for meddling in the 2016 presidential contest were also behind anti-Trump rallies after the election, prosecutors said Friday, revealing another aspect of Russia’s alleged interference as it worked to sow discord in the United States.

“After the election, the defendants allegedly staged rallies to support the president-elect while simultaneously staging rallies to protest his election,” Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said in a Friday press conference."

It seems if you're one of those "Trump is not my President ass fvcking holes you are doing exactly what your Russian masters wanted you to do. In fact everyone on one side or the other seems to done what they pushed for. At least I never protested against a sitting President and supported our political enemies.
 

rise

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"Russierr, if you;re listening...."

That was dark back then, Now itss appearing treasonous.
 

cytg111

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lol He's full of it.

Trump's recent tweet: "Russia started their anti-US campaign in 2014, long before I announced that I would run for President. The results of the election were not impacted. The Trump campaign did nothing wrong - no collusion!"


Yet Artem Kluyshin's (associated with a guy who runs the brothel that is thought to have blackmail on Donnie) wife tweeted this beginning 2014.




Yea

Rosenstein : No allegations in indictment that it altered the outcome
Drumpf : The results of the election were not impacted. No collusion.

I mean they're both just words so basicly the same thing.
 
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woolfe9998

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Zero evidence? You always seem to forget don jr met with the russians to get dirt on hillary. Your so big on conspiracy theories I wonder what you'd think if it was Chelsea meeting with the russians and hillary that got elected.

So did Papadopoulos, months before Jr. did. And we know from e-mails that Trump's top campaign people were aware of both, and many attended the Jr. meeting.

Two of Trump's campaign people have already been indicted for lying to the FBI about their contacts with Russia. That too constitutes evidence.
 

skull

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It seems if you're one of those "Trump is not my President ass fvcking holes you are doing exactly what your Russian masters wanted you to do. In fact everyone on one side or the other seems to done what they pushed for. At least I never protested against a sitting President and supported our political enemies.

If you get on a scissor lift while on your tippy toes and keep reaching you'll still be no where close.
 
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