Multiple impact bullets

[Puppies04]

I get the increased chance of a hit but aren't you reducing overall stopping power by splitting the projectile like that.

Also I figure these would be stopped very easily by body armour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1Lr-MG3DeU&x-yt-cl=84503534&x-yt-ts=1421914688

What are your thoughts on situations where they would and wouldn't be beneficial?

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[Nograts]

I get the increased chance of a hit but aren't you reducing overall stopping power by splitting the projectile like that.

Also I figure these would be stopped very easily by body armour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1Lr-MG3DeU&x-yt-cl=84503534&x-yt-ts=1421914688

What are your thoughts on situations where they would and wouldn't be beneficial?

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You get hit by anything traveling ~1700fps and that size and there is stopping power. Trust me.

These are pretty freaking awesome. Kind of like shotgun ammunition for weapons other than shotguns. These would be useful in 99% of all situations. Actual combat probably not so much, at least not against an equipped military.

 

[Puppies04]

You get hit by anything traveling ~1700fps and that size and there is stopping power. Trust me.

These are pretty freaking awesome. Kind of like shotgun ammunition for weapons other than shotguns. These would be useful in 99% of all situations. Actual combat probably not so much, at least not against an equipped military.

This is what i'm thinking, they must have a reduced range due to drag/loss of accuracy but for home invasion scenarios they seem like a good idea.

Obviously in any sort of situation with hostages they would be a big no no.

 

[Printer Bandit]

what if a hostage taker is holding a baby in his arms?

will the baby get hit too?

 

[moonbogg]

what if a hostage taker is holding a baby in his arms?

will the baby get hit too?

God damn it, Printer.

 

[Merad]

What are your thoughts on situations where they would and wouldn't be beneficial?

Would be beneficial: None
Wouldn't be beneficial: All

This stuff is a gimmick, just like that "RIP" ammo that came out a year ago.

 

[Nograts]

Would be beneficial: None
Wouldn't be beneficial: All

This stuff is a gimmick, just like that "RIP" ammo that came out a year ago.

I bet your attitude will change when you're approached by a meth addicted grizzly bear wielding a 12" blade in the park you decided to take a stroll in after dark.

 

[gorobei]

for a shotgun round the main benefit would be fixed sized pattern at all distances. so less worry about a stray pellet at longer ranges.

for a pistol its just full of disadvantages.
a conventional bullet has the impaling effect from speed, and the cavitation effect from spin. this gives up the temporary wound cavity formation from cavitation in exchange for full KE dump. you can get full KE dump from solid copper frangibles, without the loss in accuracy and with partial cavitation you would get from this round.

while for high stress shooting situation with untrained/less trained shooters, this might help with pulling low on the first shot due to adrenaline rush but it doesnt seem to offer much beyond that.

 

[olds]

Would be beneficial: None
Wouldn't be beneficial: All

This stuff is a gimmick, just like that "RIP" ammo that came out a year ago.

Still tempted to rat hole a box with my Black Talon.

 

[Merad]

I bet your attitude will change when you're approached by a meth addicted grizzly bear wielding a 12" blade in the park you decided to take a stroll in after dark.

To be fair if a grizzly bear (regardless of his drug addiction) decides to come after you, you're in pretty deep poo if you have anything less powerful than a .44 Magnum. :\

 

[pontifex]

gimmick until they show ballistics data.
As mentioned, that RIP ammo turned out to be garbage once people were able to test it.

Better than a pointy stick? yeah
Better than regular JHP self defense ammo? no

 

[twinrider1]

$4/round, no thanks.

I'd guess the range is severely impacted.

 

[Carson Dyle]

Penetration would have to be terrible in comparison to a standard round from the same gun. That gizmo has to shave a lot of velocity off of the round(s) by the time it gets to its target. Also, you would get very little or none of the expansion of a hollow point.

 

[rommelrommel]

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

There's no such thing as a free lunch. If you're firing X mass @ Y velocity you have a set amount of energy and whether its being delivered in several small pieces or one big one the total is the same. There are going to be situations where smaller pieces covering a larger area can be more effective than one big bullet and situations where one bigger bullet will be best. But as the one big bullet is a known commodity that works very well I'd stick with that unless this thing gets tested up the wazoo and is proven to be better. The situations where it could potentially be better than a normal round would be few and far between.

 

[rommelrommel]

The only situation in which this is better is if it hits the target when a conventional JHP would have missed. Everything else is marketing bullshit.

 

[Printer Bandit]

http://youtu.be/o6FYr0N3xt8

 

[BarkingGhostar]

what if a hostage taker is holding a baby in his arms?

will the baby get hit too?

Population control.

 

[jagec]

Also I figure these would be stopped very easily by body armour.

Looks to me like these would be stopped very easily by a good leather jacket.

 

[pontifex]

http://youtu.be/o6FYr0N3xt8

lol, and he even says only use 2 of these as your 1st 2 rounds and then go back to your regular ammo for the rest. that tells me that those 1st 2 shots aren't going to do the job.

 

[Ruptga]

Chain shot for the modern era.

 

[tynopik]

while for high stress shooting situation with untrained/less trained shooters, this might help with pulling low on the first shot due to adrenaline rush but it doesnt seem to offer much beyond that.

Isn't that exactly what they're saying?

lol, and he even says only use 2 of these as your 1st 2 rounds and then go back to your regular ammo for the rest. that tells me that those 1st 2 shots aren't going to do the job.

I'm not sure what everyone's whining about. It's well known that un/poorly trained people often miss with handguns, even at close range.

And that's exactly what this is marketed for.

Better a smaller hit than no hit at all.

They aren't saying that it gives better 'penetration' or anything, merely that it makes it harder to completely miss. And as long as the ammo performs even remotely as advertised, I'd find it hard for them to be wrong.

 

[phucheneh]

Better a smaller hit than no hit at all.

No, 'better to be competent with a firearm.'

If you have trouble hitting the center mass of a typical person at typical self-defense distances, you should not have firearms.

 

[tynopik]

No, 'better to be competent with a firearm.'

If you have trouble hitting the center mass of a typical person at typical self-defense distances, you should not have firearms.

nice sentiment, not reality

 

[pontifex]

Isn't that exactly what they're saying?



I'm not sure what everyone's whining about. It's well known that un/poorly trained people often miss with handguns, even at close range.

And that's exactly what this is marketed for.

Better a smaller hit than no hit at all.

They aren't saying that it gives better 'penetration' or anything, merely that it makes it harder to completely miss. And as long as the ammo performs even remotely as advertised, I'd find it hard for them to be wrong.

i'd rather have my first 2 shots hit and actually do something than hit and bounce off and do nothing.