muscle cars

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Here's the two vids. (use my bandwidth sparingly as I only get 4 GB/month)

http://astroguy.org/02transam_6_14_03.mpeg
Here's some load off your server

Did that guy ever consider hardening up his suspension? His car is like bouncing from the weight shift of acceleration and decceleration.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

although i do like muscle cars to some extent, as an engineer, efficiency is all that matters to me.
Yea sure I admit I ejaculate on the site of a fine 69 mustang, which is modded up the wazoo, that rumbles past me. Yes I love staring at old classics.

I really wouldn't mind owning one for fun.

But really, modern engines and chassis can do the same job as old muscle cars in a more refined and efficient manner. Smaller engines can output the same loads as older, larger engines.

It's like how electric storage systems in your local area are getting smaller and can do a better job at supplying 3 megaJoules of power in a matter of milli seconds at only 100MJ per meters cubed, or 100MJ per kilogram whereas its predecesor can only supply 1 MJ of peak energy at a mass of 40MJ per kilogram.

or like how today's MOS circuits in any chip die's are a lot more stable w/ less variation in frequency dips/peaks with the same 0.blah micron distance between layers which will lead to more instructions being completed per cycle because they've improved upon the manufacturing process and/or quality control over the minute amount of material that's being used to make these things..


all i'm saying is that we can make smaller devices that can do the same if not better job at accomplish something than their predecesors.

That's what engineers do. they got to eat too you know.

In the end, that's all that counts. Yes I do appreciate the "raw power" a classic may show off, but it's also a good example of horrible efficiency and design (to today's standards).


I swear, no one appreciates engineers these days that spend SOOOO MUCH time doing R&D work on engine/chasis designs. "Ya that car looks like arse, it sucks.."

Sometimes, I don't like consumers who would make ignorant comments on cars that a group of engineers spent so much time thinking up.


Engineers behind the scenes never get credit. only stupid modders and superficial car designers (THEY'RE NOT ENGINEERS DAMN IT) get the damn credit.

 

[Stumps]

I can appreciate moderns cars, I like lots of modern cars and I posted a few links to them, I define a muscle car as a car that was released from the factory with more grunt than the standard family hacks it was based on..as it is in Australia, it doesn't have to be a 30 year old car to be a muscle car.
but when i see something like a 1971 GTHO or something similar, its hard to ignore it.
What annoys me the most is when some little smartass in a hyundai excel or toyota corola trys to pass his car off as a performance car, so what if it has a big fat turbo add and more plastic than toy store..the car is still a shopping trolley..it just has wings now.
or some do gooder whinging that my cars to loud or it uses to much fuel, so what, it's MY car i can do what ever I want to it..if they don't like it, too bad, they don't have to drive it or even look at it.

as the old saying goes "IF IT'S TOO LOUD, YOUR TOO OLD!"

 

[0roo0roo]

i have no nostolgia over old muscle cars. they are ugly crude, dangerous, handle poorly and spew noxious pollution.
new ones are ok. still don't like it when cars make more noise than they should when just driving at normal speeds. i mean seriously...u should only sound like ur straining when ur doing something really hard.

 

[imported_walt]

The 78-81 WS6 Trans Am recorded a higher skid pad figure, over 0.8g, and had a higher slalom speed than the smaller and lighter Mazda RX7 of the same age, the T/A also took the same number of feet to come to a stop from a set speed. So who says muscle cars are unsafe? WS6 cars had 4 wheel disc brakes like the Corvette.

WS6 Trans Am

I find it interesting how many cars the old Buick aluminum 215 ci V8 ended up in. This Australian Leyland Force 7 coupe with a 4.4 liter version, and the MGB GT & Triumph TR8.

Force 7 coupe

MGB GT V8

Triumph TR8

 

[Stumps]

the force 7 was one of the greatest heaps of sh*t ever to grace Austalian roads, it and it sedan variant the P79 were absolute failures in the australian market, the engine is a nice motor, it works well in 70's toyota celica's as do 302 windors

 

[Alex]

Originally posted by: quakefiend420
that mustang is sweet

**droooool**

 

[Alex]

wow that 1973 is just AWESOME

Originally posted by: Rockhound

Originally posted by: styrafoam

Originally posted by: Rockhound
1969 Pontiac Trans AM

1969 Pontiac Trans AM Convertible

Convertible - only 10 of these were ever made!!!

The Ram Air IV TAs are probably my all time favorite car.

1973 Trans AM SD 455

Another hot one!

 

[jjessico]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: jjessico
No, but asian cars are 100% more likely to be ricers than muscle cars.

By your logic, ricers represent asian cars. Thanks, you just proved your idiocy.

A muscle car or an asian car can be loud, it depends on the muffler(s). Here is where I should call you a dumbass, but I'll refrain.

Uh not completely. Muscle car engines rumble very loud. It's very loud even at idle. Muscle cars are all by default loud. Asian cars are all by default very silent.
Sorry but you're still the only dumbass here.
Try again.

No, by my logic only asian cars (and off-shoots) can become ricers. Not Asian = Rice.

Any engine, run without mufflers is loud, even at idle. So its just a matter of what mufflers are on a car. There is a big difference between Flowmaster 3-chamber mufflers and a set of Dynomax Ultraflos.

By far, you are the world's ultimate dumbass.

 

[Stumps]

Agreed

 

[jjessico]

Feel free to check out a fast Mopar in action.

9s Cuda

 

[Stumps]

hemi cudi's are damn cool, we have a few here in Australia, like most yank imports they are pretty rare but are awesome to see and hear.
my brother once own a 71 challanger S/PACK with a 440 wedge with triple carbs on it, it went like a bloody rocket, but like most chrysler product couldn't stop to save itself, and hence he used to own one

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: jjessico

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: jjessico
No, but asian cars are 100% more likely to be ricers than muscle cars.

By your logic, ricers represent asian cars. Thanks, you just proved your idiocy.

A muscle car or an asian car can be loud, it depends on the muffler(s). Here is where I should call you a dumbass, but I'll refrain.

Uh not completely. Muscle car engines rumble very loud. It's very loud even at idle. Muscle cars are all by default loud. Asian cars are all by default very silent.
Sorry but you're still the only dumbass here.
Try again.

No, by my logic only asian cars (and off-shoots) can become ricers. Not Asian = Rice.

Any engine, run without mufflers is loud, even at idle. So its just a matter of what mufflers are on a car. There is a big difference between Flowmaster 3-chamber mufflers and a set of Dynomax Ultraflos.

By far, you are the world's ultimate dumbass.

OK so only asian cars can become ricers.. and you are using that to prove that asian cars suck because of it. I don't see how ricers have anything to do with how good/bad asian cars are.... :roll:
And the muffler won't do much to silence a muscle car's rumbling engine, because the source of the noise is mostly from the engine, and not the exhuast.
Name me one asian car that comes stock with a noisy muffler...
That's right, there aren't any...
Try again when you get a sense of logic.

 

[jjessico]

The 'Rice' trend shows how insecure people are with driving Asian cars. This causes them to make massive cosmetic changes to their vehicle to hide what is underneath, which is what they are ultimately ashamed of being associated with.

As for the mufflers issue, well you are not correct. A turbo-style muffler on a muscle car will make it barely audible at idle and provide little more than a whoosh-type noise at full throttle.

Neither Asian cars nor muscle cars are factory equipped with obnoxious mufflers. In fact many Mopar muscle cars that came from the factory with dual exhaust were equipped with 2 primary mufflers underneath the body and 2 mufflers near the rear valance.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Stumps
I can appreciate moderns cars, I like lots of modern cars and I posted a few links to them, I define a muscle car as a car that was released from the factory with more grunt than the standard family hacks it was based on..as it is in Australia, it doesn't have to be a 30 year old car to be a muscle car.
but when i see something like a 1971 GTHO or something similar, its hard to ignore it.
What annoys me the most is when some little smartass in a hyundai excel or toyota corola trys to pass his car off as a performance car, so what if it has a big fat turbo add and more plastic than toy store..the car is still a shopping trolley..it just has wings now.
or some do gooder whinging that my cars to loud or it uses to much fuel, so what, it's MY car i can do what ever I want to it..if they don't like it, too bad, they don't have to drive it or even look at it.

as the old saying goes "IF IT'S TOO LOUD, YOUR TOO OLD!"

No, you don't have the right to do whatever you want. If I can hear your car inside my house with the doors and windows closed then your car is too fvcking loud and you should be pulled over, hassled by the cops and fined heavily. Better yet, I'm all for the authorities taking your car and crushing it into a little block you can stack in your garage.

It's my house and I have a right to enjoy it in peace and quiet.

 

[jjessico]

Way not to spaz out.

By your reasoning the police should pull over and hassle trains. Better yet impound the trains and stack them at the rail yard.

 

[PrelateBishop]

Great thread!! Muscle cars are just plain cool no matter how you cut it.

Oh, and I would be remiss if I did not mention that to be a muscle car, it must be American...it is possible that I could have missed it mentioned earlier in the thread, but it is vital to the definition.

 

[PrelateBishop]

And another thing...

Let's not forget such works of art created by the shops of Yenko, Baldwin Motion, and Hurst. Royal Pontiac should be in there somewhere as well. Oh, and the insane creations that were the COPO cars...I'd be proud to own any of them.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: PrelateBishop
And another thing...

Let's not forget such works of art created by the shops of Yenko, Baldwin Motion, and Hurst. Royal Pontiac should be in there somewhere as well. Oh, and the insane creations that were the COPO cars...I'd be proud to own any of them.

Plus they are loud and they annoy Wankers like JulesMaximus

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Here's the two vids. (use my bandwidth sparingly as I only get 4 GB/month)

http://astroguy.org/02transam_6_14_03.mpeg
Here's some load off your server

Did that guy ever consider hardening up his suspension? His car is like bouncing from the weight shift of acceleration and decceleration.

I'm thinking he knows what he's doing seeing as how he ran 10.00. You're right though... does seem like there's some unnecessary weight transfer happening.

 

[NyteCrawler]

The new mustangs are great, I'd love to have a red one.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: NyteCrawler
The new mustangs are great, I'd love to have a red one.

I'm trying to get my parents to rent one for a weekend for me on my birthday.

 

[Gillbot]

Originally posted by: Colt45
WRX == musclecar?

fuckin' tools don't stop around this place.

+1

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Gillbot

Originally posted by: Colt45
WRX == musclecar?

fuckin' tools don't stop around this place.

+1

-10

 

[AdamK47]

Originally posted by: PrelateBishop
And another thing...

Let's not forget such works of art created by the shops of Yenko, Baldwin Motion, and Hurst. Royal Pontiac should be in there somewhere as well. Oh, and the insane creations that were the COPO cars...I'd be proud to own any of them.

I lived just a few miles from the last dealer modified Camaro seller Berger Chevrolet. On the weekend I would see them and their owners at the local car hangout. Those cars have insane horsepower.