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yhelothar

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Originally posted by: Stumps
well yes only asian cars can become ricers..how would a US car or Aussie car become a ricer?, you are just grasping at straws in your pathetic arguments.
and as for the muffler issue it is obvious that you have never driven any stock V8 before, most especially Australian V8's are almost silent ,they have to comply with design rules which state a maximum driveby noise, this is much lower than is allowed once the car leaves the factory.
you seem to have no idea what you are talkin about, most engines sound similar under the bonnet..AS IT IS THE MUFFLER THAT DICTATES WHAT AN ENGINE WILL SOUND LIKE.
go to any muffler shop and ask the mechanics there. if you have ever purchased a muffler system for a car they will ask you WHAT YOU WANT YOUR CAR TO SOUND LIKE.

You need to work on your elementary reading comprehension before you start an argument.
No shît asian cars are the only cars that can become ricers. I never even stated the contrary. But what you don't seem to understand is that lame ass ricers have nothing to do with how good/bad asian cars are. Therefore using ricers as an example to prove why asian cars suck is completely irrational and down right f00king retarded.

Mufflers dictate what the exhaust sounds like, that's why the muffler is at the EXHUAST, and not on the engine! The engine still sounds the same. Why would some cars have sound dampening under their hood if all the sound came out of the exhaust then? :roll:
Yes most cars' sounds come almost completely from the exhaust, and the muffler will dictate pretty much all of the sound of the car.
V8's alone aren't muscle cars. Hell a lexus luxury sedan that makes no noise would be considered a muscle car too then.
Go put a silent muffler on one of your favorite supercharged V8 1969 Mustangs, and see how silent it becomes, or the lack of thereof I should say.

you are a dick head, if my car is perfectly legal at 110db then i have the right to drive where ever I want, If i lived in the US I i would drive right up to your driveway an plant the biggest set of black tyre marks you have ever seen on it, the fact is here in Australia we are allowed to have an exhaust system that produces driveby noise of 110db, my car which has been throughly tested is just with in this, the police have tried on many occasions to defect my car and have ended up paying a lot of money for my time off work because they have lost in court, I know what is legal and what is not..only a dickhead would drive a car that is not legal for the road, therefor if the law says i can have 110db..by god i will have 110db, and no do gooder is going to change that..that is my RIGHT. and as or the authorities crushing my car...pffft I'd like to see it happen in Australia.

STOP WHINGING BITCH
Ah so you not only have no sense of logic, reading comprehension, or rationality, but you have no sense of respect.
You don't have a 110dB defeaning car, because it's not only painful for others, but is extremely annoying. But obviously you don't care, since all you care about is yourself. But how would you like it if your neighbor had occaisional live rock concerts(of the band you hate most) in their backyard, so it would blast your ears out(that's probably pretty deafened now anyways). So who's the dick head... hypocrite...

 

Stumps

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Jun 18, 2001
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SWEET, i love the longer look of the Yank chargers..our ones are too stumpy for my tastes but they are still cool, I just seem to like big cars and yank cars definatly are big.

but that picture is SWEEEEET
 

CraigRT

Lifer
Jun 16, 2000
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haha Stumps...
well you got us beat on a few things.
it's near impossible to find a Skyline over here, as they all have to be imported.
but to be honest, I really do just prefer muscle cars like the Charger posted above... that's just so god dang sweet.. I love that style. :heart: and I'd kill to have one some day!
 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: Stumps
well yes only asian cars can become ricers..how would a US car or Aussie car become a ricer?, you are just grasping at straws in your pathetic arguments.
and as for the muffler issue it is obvious that you have never driven any stock V8 before, most especially Australian V8's are almost silent ,they have to comply with design rules which state a maximum driveby noise, this is much lower than is allowed once the car leaves the factory.
you seem to have no idea what you are talkin about, most engines sound similar under the bonnet..AS IT IS THE MUFFLER THAT DICTATES WHAT AN ENGINE WILL SOUND LIKE.
go to any muffler shop and ask the mechanics there. if you have ever purchased a muffler system for a car they will ask you WHAT YOU WANT YOUR CAR TO SOUND LIKE.

You need to work on your elementary reading comprehension before you start an argument.
No shît asian cars are the only cars that can become ricers. I never even stated the contrary. But what you don't seem to understand is that lame ass ricers have nothing to do with how good/bad asian cars are. Therefore using ricers as an example to prove why asian cars suck is completely irrational and down right f00king retarded.

Mufflers dictate what the exhaust sounds like, that's why the muffler is at the EXHUAST, and not on the engine! The engine still sounds the same. Why would some cars have sound dampening under their hood if all the sound came out of the exhaust then? :roll:
Yes most cars' sounds come almost completely from the exhaust, and the muffler will dictate pretty much all of the sound of the car.
V8's alone aren't muscle cars. Hell a lexus luxury sedan that makes no noise would be considered a muscle car too then.
Go put a silent muffler on one of your favorite supercharged V8 1969 Mustangs, and see how silent it becomes, or the lack of thereof I should say.

you are a dick head, if my car is perfectly legal at 110db then i have the right to drive where ever I want, If i lived in the US I i would drive right up to your driveway an plant the biggest set of black tyre marks you have ever seen on it, the fact is here in Australia we are allowed to have an exhaust system that produces driveby noise of 110db, my car which has been throughly tested is just with in this, the police have tried on many occasions to defect my car and have ended up paying a lot of money for my time off work because they have lost in court, I know what is legal and what is not..only a dickhead would drive a car that is not legal for the road, therefor if the law says i can have 110db..by god i will have 110db, and no do gooder is going to change that..that is my RIGHT. and as or the authorities crushing my car...pffft I'd like to see it happen in Australia.

STOP WHINGING BITCH
Ah so you not only have no sense of logic, reading comprehension, or rationality, but you have no sense of respect.
You don't have a 110dB defeaning car, because it's not only painful for others, but is extremely annoying. But obviously you don't care, since all you care about is yourself. But how would you like it if your neighbor had occaisional live rock concerts(of the band you hate most) in their backyard, so it would blast your ears out(that's probably pretty deafened now anyways). So who's the dick head... hypocrite...

why would i care about anybosy else, i'm not going to own a car that will make the nieghbour happy, I will own what I like. My taste is just that MY TASTE, and yes I am self centered, but I am happy to be so. If i want my neighbours opinion about what i drive..I will FART! the last time i checked Australia was a free country so i have the freedom to do what i like
 

yhelothar

Lifer
Dec 11, 2002
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why would i care about anybosy else, i'm not going to own a car that will make the nieghbour happy, I will own what I like. My taste is just that MY TASTE, and yes I am self centered, but I am happy to be so. If i want my neighbours opinion about what i drive..I will FART! the last time i checked Australia was a free country so i have the freedom to do what i like
Yep self centered fvcks like you are the ones that are bringing society down. Just imagine if the entire world was as self centered as you and didn't have respect for anyone else. Everyone drives a car that's as loud as a live rock concert. People putting hate signs on their houses as they please, shooting automatic rifles in their backyard. It would be utter chaos.
We'd all be dead by now actually.
 

CraigRT

Lifer
Jun 16, 2000
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Originally posted by: virtualgames0
why would i care about anybosy else, i'm not going to own a car that will make the nieghbour happy, I will own what I like. My taste is just that MY TASTE, and yes I am self centered, but I am happy to be so. If i want my neighbours opinion about what i drive..I will FART! the last time i checked Australia was a free country so i have the freedom to do what i like
Yep self centered fvcks like you are the ones that are bringing society down. Just imagine if the entire world was as self centered as you and didn't have respect for anyone else. It would be utter chaos.
We'd all be dead by now actually.

well in his defense, there is a difference between how loud your muffler is (I couldn't care less) and being a total dink, endangering people, not caring at all about others, etc.. I mean I am by far not a self centered person (I do look out for myself but I'm not cocky or self centered) but I don't really care how loud my exhaust is either... heh
 

Stumps

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Jun 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: virtualgames0
why would i care about anybosy else, i'm not going to own a car that will make the nieghbour happy, I will own what I like. My taste is just that MY TASTE, and yes I am self centered, but I am happy to be so. If i want my neighbours opinion about what i drive..I will FART! the last time i checked Australia was a free country so i have the freedom to do what i like
Yep self centered fvcks like you are the ones that are bringing society down. Just imagine if the entire world was as self centered as you and didn't have respect for anyone else. It would be utter chaos.
We'd all be dead by now actually.

give it up nobody give a ratsass about what you think, your the only one here bitching about muscle cars..so that must make everybody else who has posted here a self centered f*ck then. GO AWAY all of your further post will be ignored for the crap they are!
 

yhelothar

Lifer
Dec 11, 2002
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of course not, why would self centered fvcks care about what anyone else thinks.. they wouldn't be "self centered" if they did.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: sniperruff
look jules we all love the Sti, but it just ain't a muscle car and it never will be.

cars are like music. as hard as you try to imitate, you just can't write any songs that can be included into the category of "80's rock" or whatever.

the period has long passed, and i'd consider the Sti to be a SPORTS car. the definition of a "muscle car" just doesn't apply to any modern cars...

Hey, I love the sound of a modern Formula One car...I make no apologies for that. They actually sound more like a high reving motorcycle engine than a muscle car but man are they fast!!!

Fact is there are 4 cylinder production cars that are very very quick right off the showroom floor. Even as quick as the traditional muscle car (and they handle and brake much better). Who cares what they sound like? A fast car working at the limit is always music to my ears. It's doesn't need to be a muscle car though.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: sniperruff
look jules we all love the Sti, but it just ain't a muscle car and it never will be.

cars are like music. as hard as you try to imitate, you just can't write any songs that can be included into the category of "80's rock" or whatever.

the period has long passed, and i'd consider the Sti to be a SPORTS car. the definition of a "muscle car" just doesn't apply to any modern cars...

yeah the STI is pretty cool, but the WRX in Australia is considered a chicks car, if you are going to drive a japanese car and be considered credible then you need to be driving one of the following

Nissan Skyline GTR (the R32 is prefered due to its mythical racing status here)
Nissan 350Z
Mazda RX7 (any series will do but series 6 is considered the most popular)
Honda NSX (Just plain sexy)
Nissan Silvia/200sx (borderline chick car)
Toyota Supra
Mitsubishi Lancer EVO or GSR

anything else is just consider to be a girls car, although I do like Honda Intregra's and RSX's they are cool...but they are a girls car

Hmm, okay...I'll bear that in mind the next time I'm in the market for a new car. :roll:
 

arcenite

Lifer
Dec 9, 2001
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whoever said a lexus would be a muscle car is a douche... A muscle car is a car that was designed for one thing... YEP YOU GUESSED IT... JAW BREAKING ASS FLAPPING WAS THAT MY HAT TORQUE... it's about $ per ftlb.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Stumps
I love the GMH 1984 VK Commodore SS Group A, they are a tough looking car and where very sucessful on our race tracks, and are worth plenty these days for a good example.
they where powered by a 194kw GMH 308cu V8 and a M21 4spd, performance was in the mid 14's and had top speed of around 230km/h

http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/articles/i1028/102881_00mg.jpg

OMGWTF!!! Is that some sort of chevy cavalier? That is the ugliest thing I've ever seen...but wait...it makes up for it by being slow!!! :laugh:MAO!!!
 

CraigRT

Lifer
Jun 16, 2000
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Originally posted by: Stumps
I love the GMH 1984 VK Commodore SS Group A, they are a tough looking car and where very sucessful on our race tracks, and are worth plenty these days for a good example.
they where powered by a 194kw GMH 308cu V8 and a M21 4spd, performance was in the mid 14's and had top speed of around 230km/h

http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/articles/i1028/102881_00mg.jpg

That's pretty cool, looks kinda like the Mustang from the front..
the 80's early 90's mustang that is.
 

Stumps

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no it's a GMH design based on a German opel something, back in 1984 in australia we where having a massive fuel crisis and the greenies where ruining everything, this car is what kept aussie performance alive, on the racing track they where turned into 450hp monsters. while not a quick as some other cars they handle exceptionally well, as do most commodores.

and you need to remember back in 1984 there was no EFI aussie V8's it was all old tech carby's
 

Stumps

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I love the look of the 90's mustangs, Ford Australia tried to release the 2000 GT model here, but it failed badly..not because the car was bad, who would pay $90000 for a 4.6litre mustang?
 

jjessico

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Originally posted by: virtualgames0

You need to work on your elementary reading comprehension before you start an argument.
No shît asian cars are the only cars that can become ricers. I never even stated the contrary. But what you don't seem to understand is that lame ass ricers have nothing to do with how good/bad asian cars are. Therefore using ricers as an example to prove why asian cars suck is completely irrational and down right f00king retarded.

Mufflers dictate what the exhaust sounds like, that's why the muffler is at the EXHUAST, and not on the engine! The engine still sounds the same. Why would some cars have sound dampening under their hood if all the sound came out of the exhaust then? :roll:
Yes most cars' sounds come almost completely from the exhaust, and the muffler will dictate pretty much all of the sound of the car.
V8's alone aren't muscle cars. Hell a lexus luxury sedan that makes no noise would be considered a muscle car too then.
Go put a silent muffler on one of your favorite supercharged V8 1969 Mustangs, and see how silent it becomes, or the lack of thereof I should say.

Lame ass ricers do show something about Asian cars. See my previous post because I don't feel like saying it again.

Are you suggesting that the majority of racket from a V8 is induction noise?
 

MasterAndCommander

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Muscle Cars are Back in Force

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Muscle cars are back -- in force
Friday March 4, 6:00 am ET
Bill Burt


Remember when the Beatles were still together? Television had only three channels? Gasoline cost 27 cents a gallon? Then for you, the term "muscle car" has meaning.
It was the 1960s, and every manufacturer -- and that meant General Motors, Ford and Chrysler -- offered a wide range of two-door coupes with powerful V8 engines. Names like GTO, Charger and Mustang GT meant power to burn rubber into the next county.

Then came a triple whammy: high insurance rates, gasoline prices sent soaring by an Arab oil embargo and orders from Washington to clean up engine emissions. The American muscle car was extinct by 1975.

Or so it seemed.

However, our love for power didn't disappear. Starting in the 1980s, thanks to better computer controls on engines and breakthroughs in engineering, horsepower began to return to American cars, starting with the 1984 Corvette.

Today, there's a muscle-car renaissance that rivals anything seen in the 1960s. And names once discarded -- GTO and Charger in particular -- are reappearing on cars with more horsepower than ever.

While muscle cars still represent just a small percentage of the more than 16.4 million new vehicles estimated to sell in 2005, they are expected to sell well and also cast a favorable aura to manufacturers' other offerings.

"We're not just talking about a trend any more," says Benjamin Moss, of Moss Motor Company, a dealership in South Pittsburgh, Tenn. "Muscle cars are selling like hot cakes. Advance orders are overwhelming.''

"The return of the muscle car comes as no surprise,'' says Jim Spoonhower, vice president of market research for the Specialty Equipment Market Association, an industry trade group. "The car companies are fully aware that the nostalgia is powerful, so their contemporary designers are incorporating recognizable style features to give these modern-day muscle cars a distinctive retro look.''


2005 Mustang GT
The return of the muscle car also is market driven. A significant number of people who came of driving age in the 1960s and 1970s are now seeing their children off to college or adulthood, and there's no longer the need for that big SUV or minivan. A stylish, powerful, sporty car that is reminiscent of youth could prove to be a logical replacement for empty-nesters.

And with auction prices of pristine examples of true 1960s muscle cars running into six figures and beyond -- an original 1970 Plymouth Hemi Barracuda convertible can cost as much as $800,000 -- baby boomers eager to recapture youthful moments are seeing these new cars as reliable, affordable alternatives.

At the other end of the age spectrum are buyers in their late teens and 20s who also crave performance. But while American V8-muscle still appeals to this group, many more covet imported muscle cars such as the Mitsubishi Lancer Evo or the Subaru WRX, which wring as much as 300 horsepower from their four-cylinder engines.

"The baby boomer generation grew up with muscle cars. They never stopped lusting after power under the hood,'' says Christopher J. Kersting, SEMA president and CEO. "Now their children have the same passion for performance, and the auto industry would like nothing better than to satisfy that demand.''

Like muscle cars of the 1960s and early 1970s, today's versions come in a wide range of styles and prices.

There's the new Mustang GT, which has a 300-horsepower V8, a list price that starts at just under $25,000, and styling that is more than a little reminiscent of muscle Mustangs from the 1960s. Ford expects to sell more than 140,000 of them in 2005, double the number of Mustangs it sold 10 years ago.


Pontiac GTO
There's the Pontiac GTO, which shares with its 1960s namesake only the placement of a powerful 400-horsepower V8 under the hood. The 2005 GTO, which is a U.S. version of a car built for years by GM's Australian division, has muted, modern styling that some say doesn't appear especially muscular. Prices start at about $33,000.


Chrysler's 300C, which shares the name of a 1960s luxury two-door hot rod, is a four-door sedan that has the beefed-up look of a muscle car and a 340 horsepower V8 that borrows the name and cylinder-head design from the ultimate 1960s muscle car engine, the Hemi. Buyers are paying above $30,000 for loaded models.

When Dodge's Charger debuts later this year, it won't wear the sleek fastback two-door styling of its muscle-car namesake. It essentially will be a restyled version of Chrysler's 300C four-door sedan that will also carry the Hemi engine on the option list.


Cobalt SS Supercharged
Although Chevrolet has yet to resurrect the Camaro or the Chevelle, it has brought back the SS moniker (it stands for Super Sport, and the badge was on all of Chevy's 1960s muscle cars) and attached it to the new 2005 Cobalt compact coupe. There's no V8 under the hood, but there is a supercharged 205-horsepower four-cylinder that's aimed squarely at young buyers who define muscle cars differently from their parents.

Even Cadillac is in the game with its high-performance, V8 powered CTS-V sedan, which puts out 400 horsepower and carries a sticker price of more than $50,000. Later this year, Caddy will bring out a muscle-car version of its CTS sedan with 440 horsepower and a price of more than $70,000.

Europeans also play the muscle-car game, and it's at the same pricey level as Cadillac. Mercedes-Benz, BMW and Audi all have models with ultrahigh performance engines, as does Jaguar.

What's surprising about this current muscle-car renaissance is that it's flying in the face of a run-up in gasoline prices. But unlike the oil embargoes of the 1970s, fuel remains plentiful, though not cheap.

Barring long gas lines or insurance companies raising rates for these new cars into the stratosphere, the muscle car looks to have staying power this time around.
 

QuitBanningMe

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I guess I like muscle cars because I grew up around the. I'd love to have ~70 Olds 442 or a 65/66 Cuda. I absolutely hate modern cars. I don't care what it is. Corvette, 350Z....I don't care. I can't feel, smell, or hear what is going on. I haven't had anything above a 1976 as my regular driver since I was 16. I've owned a couple but it just didn't work out. However I do drive Japanese cars 240/260/280Zs. Not considered "muscle" but they are beautiful, RWD, and can easily hold one of those V8's.
 

Stumps

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Datsun 240z are sweet looking cars, you could call the 240/260Z's muscle cars, they where a 70's sports coupe that went plenty hard and had a decent size triple carb six in them.
they are fairly common over here, I have seen plenty of them with the GTR RB26DETT engines in them, the big power output and light wieght makes them a formidible package.
the japanese had plenty of decent car during the 60's and 70's, one odd one was the Mazda Roadpacer it was a GMH 1974 HJ Kingswood fitted with a 13b rotary instead of the usual 3.3litre inline 6 or 4.2/5.0litre V8. Not very common but definetly an odd one.

At one stage Ford Australia was toying with the idea of fitting a 13B into a GTHO Falcon..it would have been called a rotary HO
 

cavemanmoron

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Originally posted by: walt


These are cool adverts for the Charger R/T and the Scrambler. The first ad is a bit politically incorrect. I wonder if anyone these days could put up with the Scrambler's manual steering?

69' Charger R/T

Scrambler ad

Manual steering,isn't too bad.
My 64 Valiant is manual steering,and steers easy,even with the V8.Just have to turn
the wheel a lot of times to parallel park.
My 67 Camaro had manual steering also,it wasnt too bad,not as easy as the Valiant,
but the Camaro had a 427 big block,which was a little heavier.LOL.
 
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