My friend 'hates' God.

[UberDave]

I got into this big discussion with my friend at work today about religon. He's all about proving that it doesn't exsist, Jesus didn't exsist and God doesn't exsist. He's prone on how there is no proof and he wants to see God himself before he'll belive any further. He then trailed onto how "God" lets people die horrible deaths and what a great God he is for doing that (sarcasim). He's lost his mother, step-dad, and sister (i think) to cancer, DUIs and other things I guess, and it really hit him inside. He blames God for it, much like mel gibson in "signs" for taking his wife away. It doesn't help that he's rather taller and everyone else (which he hates) and he's skinny / not that great looking which makes him hate God even more for making him that way.

Is there anyway I can give him advise, or some guidence to even a little bit of faith? Or anything for that matter....

 

[LordMaul]

When people get like that, it leaves my hands. I won't help an asshole.

 

[hollowman]

umm.. leave him alone? i don't believe in religion either.. but i don't "hate" god though.

what you believe is what you believe and what he believes is what he believes. people are different.

 

[Goosemaster]

Just tell him this...


"Regardless of your thoughts, think of it this way Frank. "god" as we call him, can make you impotent at will, so I would 'play nice'."


Works everytime.



Unless he is a transexual(can keep himself company) or a Nerd

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: LordMaul
When people get like that, it leaves my hands. I won't help an asshole.

I have to agree. Attempting to superimpose a belief on someone just leads to trouble.
Of course, rational conversation is always good. Just don't forcefully invade his aura of privacy.

 

[AlphaWolf829]

I feel that if God feels he should believe he will knock him off his horse and allow him to realize that God exists. You can't give a person faith. He will realize it eventually, but until then leave him be. I would point out that God gave us free will and what happens due to this ability is our fault not God. We judge how our lives go, God only gives us the option of good and bad, and urges us to do good but others choose not to. actually to put it this way... the same right he has to choose whether or not to believe in God goes into whether or not to drink and drive. Im probably too late in this statement and I didn't put it as well as I wanted.

 

[res1bhmg]

Is there anyway I can give him advise, or some guidence to even a little bit of faith?

See, that's what I dislike about you religious people. You're so arrogant, you think what he needs is a little faith when just some friendship and consoling will do.

Remember, Jesus saves, but George Nelson withdraws!

 

[LordMaul]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: LordMaul
When people get like that, it leaves my hands. I won't help an asshole.

I have to agree. Attempting to superimpose a belief on someone just leads to trouble.
Of course, rational conversation is always good. Just don't forcefully invade his aura of privacy.

I dunno...I'm always for talking about my beliefs, or maybe even pushing them around a bit near non believers. But as soon as it's obvious he is just looking to be an asshole with a chip on his shoulder, I stop caring.

Usually. Unless he pisses me off. Then I follow them around.

 

[LordMaul]

Originally posted by: res1bhmg

Is there anyway I can give him advise, or some guidence to even a little bit of faith?

See, that's what I dislike about you religious people. You're so arrogant, you think what he needs is a little faith when just some friendship and consoling will do.

Uh, yeah. We're so arrogant. We're not as good as you athiests. Not anywhere near as smart. You athiests really got it going for you, especially when compared to us lowlife religious people. Eh?

 

[hollowman]

Originally posted by: LordMaul

Originally posted by: res1bhmg

Is there anyway I can give him advise, or some guidence to even a little bit of faith?

See, that's what I dislike about you religious people. You're so arrogant, you think what he needs is a little faith when just some friendship and consoling will do.

Uh, yeah. We're so arrogant. We're not as good as you athiests. Not anywhere near as smart. You athiests really got it going for you, especially when compared to us lowlife religious people. Eh?

This is exactly why I hate people creating thread about religious. All damn pointing fingers to each others. When will you kids grow up?

 

[littleprince]

U guys must be mormons.

Your way isnt the only way. He has as much right to hate god as you do to love him.

If u were really christian, or catholic or whatever you THINK you are, you would pray for your friend rather than condem him.
See you in hell.

 

[UberDave]

I mean, I understand why he's upset with God..... but I just don't know what to tell him.

 

[AlphaWolf829]

hey I didn't condemn him....

 

[zzzz]

He is a fool. Why hate an imaginary being? Thats like hating some movie character.

 

[res1bhmg]

Originally posted by: zzzz
He is a fool. Why hate an imaginary being? Thats like hating some movie character.

Bwahahahaha!

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: littleprince
U guys must be mormons.

Your way isnt the only way. He has as much right to hate god as you do to love him.

If u were really christian, or catholic or whatever you THINK you are, you would pray for your friend rather than condem him.
See you in hell.

THat is EXACTLY the type of words that get people pssied off . I just wanted to make sure that you didn't bagger the guy to death, and end up with someone who who wants nothing to do with you OR GOD


And anyways..paryaing is only half of the equation....YOu have to get up and do something for yourself too...


I am christrian, and do fail God quite frequently, but because I believe in him I lever stray too far...never done drugs, alchohol


I am not an overly-eager christian either..sort of lazy...

But I will never hesitate to console someone or rationaly converse with them conserning God....I will just make sure that I take it one step at a time.

See you in hell.

real nice.

 

[LordMaul]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: littleprince

See you in hell.

real nice.

Don't bother. That's just the typical teenage rebellion thing going. You know, be different...be an athiest....just like every one of your friends....

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: UberDave
I mean, I understand why he's upset with God..... but I just don't know what to tell him.

Just approach it as you would a domestic problem....counsel him and attempt to find a solution. I myself have faced horrible experiences at my church, so I KNOW how irritating prying eyes can be...

...on hte other hand, if I got the impression that the other person genuinely wanted to help me, I would many times open for counsel

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: LordMaul

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: littleprince

See you in hell.

real nice.

Don't bother. That's just the typical teenage rebellion thing going. You know, be different...be an athiest....just like every one of your friends....

What serves to confuse me is atheists waiting for me in "hell"


Oxymoron if i ever hear one....

 

[AlphaWolf829]

Im 17 most kids say they believe in God but dismiss him when they want to do something that is wrong. I try my best and believe I have a good amount of faith in God. I try to be open to other beliefs and ideas... and come up w/ my own structure and balance of belief.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: LordMaul

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: littleprince

See you in hell.

real nice.

Don't bother. That's just the typical teenage rebellion thing going. You know, be different...be an athiest....just like every one of your friends....

yea, lets hope you come around and find your faith again... it's such a cliche to be atheist these days, i mean come on, atheism is like ska music, it isn't cool anymore.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: LordMaul

Originally posted by: res1bhmg

Is there anyway I can give him advise, or some guidence to even a little bit of faith?

See, that's what I dislike about you religious people. You're so arrogant, you think what he needs is a little faith when just some friendship and consoling will do.

Uh, yeah. We're so arrogant. We're not as good as you athiests. Not anywhere near as smart. You athiests really got it going for you, especially when compared to us lowlife religious people. Eh?

straw man. most atheists don't go around pushing their atheistic beliefs onto religious people, assuming that all the guy needs is a touch of atheism. that was the guy's point.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: UberDave
I mean, I understand why he's upset with God..... but I just don't know what to tell him.

i would tell him to focus on what he has, rather than wallowing in self pity and trying to find someone or something to blame.

 

[Sachmho]

alright, lemme set this straight. the "friend" has the right to hate this god fellow. None of you people in here have the right to try and console him with religious influence. being a teenager and atheist does not dismiss all credibility. just because the masses are generally religious that does not mean the few are idiots. everyone: go back to your cages. we all know some of you are idiots and are blind to all things different.

 

[Robor]

I don't hate "God", but I'm not a God fearing person, do not practice any organized religion, and base my beliefs on what I've learned and see in life today. Instead of following some ancient religious guidelines I try to live my life in a way that both makes me happy and is considerate of others. Call me a heathen for my thinking but I know plenty of people who consider themselves "good Christians" but judge and even hate others based on their different religous faith, race, sexual preference, etc. I may not go to church but I know I'm a good person and although I may not be perfect I try do my best to correct my flaws and help others.

I didn't answer your question there though. In my opinion, too many people blame and/or praise god for things in life today. If something good happens, "Praise God". If something bad happens, "why didn't God save them?". Sounds too easy to me. IMO, your friend needs to get his own life back on track and blaming God isn't going to help. Tell him that as bad as his situation may seem it could be a lot worse. Just show him some families starving to death in 3rd world countries or people born with severe disabilities. All it would take is a quick scan through cable or a trip to the local hospital. Just visit a burn unit or show him a child born with a terminal illness and ask him if his life is so bad after that. Self pity is not the answer. Sorry to be blunt but that's reality.