My friend 'hates' God.

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Yep, God is great.

Eternal life is quite great if you ask me...

How do you know that you are getting eternal life? Bible tells you so? The same book that tells you to destroy your enemies, cast newborn babies against rocks, kill, murder, slain, torture and torment other people?

And some people still wonder why I (and others) have hard time accepting the Bible

 

[Pastore]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Eternal life is quite great if you ask me...

You a Vampire? If not then how do you know?

Let's just assume for a second that God is truth. God is what gives us eternal life. That is what is great about God. You have to remember that devout Christians believe that our life on earth is just our trial period to see if we are worthy of eternal life.

 

[Pastore]

The same book that tells you to destroy your enemies, cast newborn babies against rocks, kill, murder, slain, torture and torment other people?

If you are going to refer to scriptures, you'd better give the chapter, verse...

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Yep, God is great.

Eternal life is quite great if you ask me...

I wouldnt be so sure about that....

Also shouldnt all u Überchristians be totally against genetic research and especially manipulation as that violates the intellectual property rights of God?

 

[UberDave]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
UberDave, the thought of you preaching on about Christianity is mind blowing. Just a couple of months ago you were posting pictures of some floozy you nailed one weekend. I think God's Rep should be a little more credible than you.

Hah, How am I preaching. Just by saying that beliving in god is only a start? Hardly preaching.

I sin A LOT, mostly because I forget what i've read and what I've listened to- and...what I belive in. The downside to life is being human and having human traits such as lust, revenge, etc etc.... all that sin stuff. I give in too easily and i'm too weak. I'm not worthy of God, but I have whatever faith is left in me that still hopes.

 

[roncarter]

Originally posted by: UberDave
I got into this big discussion with my friend at work today about religon. He's all about proving that it doesn't exsist, Jesus didn't exsist and God doesn't exsist. He's prone on how there is no proof and he wants to see God himself before he'll belive any further. He then trailed onto how "God" lets people die horrible deaths and what a great God he is for doing that (sarcasim). He's lost his mother, step-dad, and sister (i think) to cancer, DUIs and other things I guess, and it really hit him inside. He blames God for it, much like mel gibson in "signs" for taking his wife away. It doesn't help that he's rather taller and everyone else (which he hates) and he's skinny / not that great looking which makes him hate God even more for making him that way.

Is there anyway I can give him advise, or some guidence to even a little bit of faith? Or anything for that matter....

you believe in god, and he doesnt.. what makes you think that you are right and he is wrong? Is there a way that you can prove god exist? NO! so let it be.. no1 is giving you problems about believing in god.. so why give him trouble b/c he doesnt.

 

[Pastore]

I never once stated that I was an UberChristian... Do I believe in God? Sure... but I will be the first to admit the Bible is flawed in many regards... Mind you, not the original writings, but the translations...

 

[pulse8]

I'm not worthy of God, but I have whatever faith is left in me that still hopes.

That's really one of the only things that I truly hate about religion. I hate how it makes you feel bad about who you are. How they tell you that you're "not worthy of God" or just try to create this fear of God within you so that you don't do bad things.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Beast1284
I never once stated that I was an UberChristian... Do I believe in God? Sure... but I will be the first to admit the Bible is flawed in many regards... Mind you, not the original writings, but the translations...

ok,name one person who's seen the "original writings"

 

[UberDave]

Originally posted by: roncarter

Originally posted by: UberDave
I got into this big discussion with my friend at work today about religon. He's all about proving that it doesn't exsist, Jesus didn't exsist and God doesn't exsist. He's prone on how there is no proof and he wants to see God himself before he'll belive any further. He then trailed onto how "God" lets people die horrible deaths and what a great God he is for doing that (sarcasim). He's lost his mother, step-dad, and sister (i think) to cancer, DUIs and other things I guess, and it really hit him inside. He blames God for it, much like mel gibson in "signs" for taking his wife away. It doesn't help that he's rather taller and everyone else (which he hates) and he's skinny / not that great looking which makes him hate God even more for making him that way.

Is there anyway I can give him advise, or some guidence to even a little bit of faith? Or anything for that matter....

you believe in god, and he doesnt.. what makes you think that you are right and he is wrong? Is there a way that you can prove god exist? NO! so let it be.. no1 is giving you problems about believing in god.. so why give him trouble b/c he doesnt.

Sir, please tell me how he DOESN'T belive in God. Him stating that he hates God in essence makes him belive that there is a God in the first place.

 

[UberDave]

Originally posted by: baffled2

Originally posted by: Beast1284
I never once stated that I was an UberChristian... Do I believe in God? Sure... but I will be the first to admit the Bible is flawed in many regards... Mind you, not the original writings, but the translations...

ok,name one person who's seen the "original writings"

Apparently the Koran is writen by the hand of God, or copied down exactly from the word of God in the same language unaltered.

 

[Red Dawn]

I'm not worthy of God

You are barely worthy of ATOT.

Let's just assume for a second that God is truth.

Let's assume there isn't!Beast1284, I don't think you are some kind of idiot because of your belief and I haven't probelm with you believing as you do.I do question your reason for trying to convince me and other Atheists that there is a God when we have already stated that we aren't interested in converting. I'm totally at ease with me beliefs as I am sure you are with yours. My beef in this thread is not with Christians like you, but with wankers like IdNut,UberDave and others who belittle us because we don't believe in their religion (and in turn belittle them back)

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: UberDave

Originally posted by: baffled2

Originally posted by: Beast1284
I never once stated that I was an UberChristian... Do I believe in God? Sure... but I will be the first to admit the Bible is flawed in many regards... Mind you, not the original writings, but the translations...

ok,name one person who's seen the "original writings"

Apparently the Koran is writen by the hand of God, or copied down exactly from the word of God in the same language unaltered.

The Koran? lol,you mean that work that's used to justify oppression and kiling people ?


Sorry,I can't get behind anything that calls for hurting others in the name of anybody !

 

[roncarter]

Originally posted by: UberDave

Originally posted by: roncarter

Originally posted by: UberDave
I got into this big discussion with my friend at work today about religon. He's all about proving that it doesn't exsist, Jesus didn't exsist and God doesn't exsist. He's prone on how there is no proof and he wants to see God himself before he'll belive any further. He then trailed onto how "God" lets people die horrible deaths and what a great God he is for doing that (sarcasim). He's lost his mother, step-dad, and sister (i think) to cancer, DUIs and other things I guess, and it really hit him inside. He blames God for it, much like mel gibson in "signs" for taking his wife away. It doesn't help that he's rather taller and everyone else (which he hates) and he's skinny / not that great looking which makes him hate God even more for making him that way.

Is there anyway I can give him advise, or some guidence to even a little bit of faith? Or anything for that matter....

you believe in god, and he doesnt.. what makes you think that you are right and he is wrong? Is there a way that you can prove god exist? NO! so let it be.. no1 is giving you problems about believing in god.. so why give him trouble b/c he doesnt.

Sir, please tell me how he DOESN'T belive in God. Him stating that he hates God in essence makes him belive that there is a God in the first place.

well your right.. ill give you that..but he has the right to HATE god, just as others have the right to LOVE god..

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: Beast1284

The same book that tells you to destroy your enemies, cast newborn babies against rocks, kill, murder, slain, torture and torment other people?

If you are going to refer to scriptures, you'd better give the chapter, verse...

"Thus saith the LORD of hosts ... go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."
--1 Samuel 15:2-3

Exodus 21:15-17

"And thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, the flesh and the blood, upon the altar of the LORD thy God: and the blood of thy sacrifices shall be poured out upon the altar of the LORD thy God, and thou shalt eat the flesh."
--Deuteronomy 12:27

"So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining."
--Deuteronomy 3:3

Ooops, it seems that atheists and other non-beleivers must be executed: Deuteronomy 17:2-7

God seems to love killing: Deuteronomy 32:39-43

Need I go on?

 

[UberDave]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

I'm not worthy of God

You are barely worthy of ATOT.

I'm hurt.... pfft. I keep my ways just as you do yours. Why fight me over it? I'm not trying to convert anyone or anything radical and attack people on their views. All I asked in this thread was some HELP / ADVICE with a friend. Not how i'm not "worthy" of ATOT.

 

[UberDave]

Originally posted by: roncarter

Originally posted by: UberDave

Originally posted by: roncarter

Originally posted by: UberDave
I got into this big discussion with my friend at work today about religon. He's all about proving that it doesn't exsist, Jesus didn't exsist and God doesn't exsist. He's prone on how there is no proof and he wants to see God himself before he'll belive any further. He then trailed onto how "God" lets people die horrible deaths and what a great God he is for doing that (sarcasim). He's lost his mother, step-dad, and sister (i think) to cancer, DUIs and other things I guess, and it really hit him inside. He blames God for it, much like mel gibson in "signs" for taking his wife away. It doesn't help that he's rather taller and everyone else (which he hates) and he's skinny / not that great looking which makes him hate God even more for making him that way.

Is there anyway I can give him advise, or some guidence to even a little bit of faith? Or anything for that matter....

you believe in god, and he doesnt.. what makes you think that you are right and he is wrong? Is there a way that you can prove god exist? NO! so let it be.. no1 is giving you problems about believing in god.. so why give him trouble b/c he doesnt.

Sir, please tell me how he DOESN'T belive in God. Him stating that he hates God in essence makes him belive that there is a God in the first place.

well your right.. ill give you that..but he has the right to HATE god, just as others have the right to LOVE god..

No doubt.... I belive that to, but I guess it just makes me upset... i don't know it's something inside of me. I don't know enough about my own religion to offer guidence to maybe make that hate go away. last time i checked, hate = not good.

 

[Red Dawn]

Not how i'm not "worthy" of ATOT.

He I didn't say you aren't worthy, I said you are barely worthy Hmm on second thought you are about as worthy of ATOT as anyone.

 

[UberDave]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Not how i'm not "worthy" of ATOT.

He I didn't say you aren't worthy, I said you are barely worthy Hmm on second thought you are about as worthy of ATOT as anyone.

*looks at you weird*

thats the only nice thing you ever said to me if i recall ....heh

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Not how i'm not "worthy" of ATOT.

He I didn't say you aren't worthy, I said you are barely worthy Hmm on second thought you are about as worthy of ATOT as anyone.

LOL,no backtracking, you win the coffee spew award for funniest crack in this thread thus far


<---beating hand on breast while practicing muttering "I'm not worthy" hahaha

 

[Red Dawn]

thats the only nice thing you ever said to me if i recall ....heh

Hehe..I guess if you call being worthy of ATOT a compiment

 

[Legendary]

I'm an Atheist. I make it my job not to go around spreading what I believe as the only right thing. I only show that I'm Atheist when someone starts shoving religion down my throat. Then I become an Atheist who speaks what he believes. I only speak it so I can get religious people (zealots or not) off my back. I understand religious people will not be converted to Atheism, so I don't waste the effort. If someone really wants to convert one way or another, it's out of my hands. That's how I look at it. And it has kept me out of trouble from either camp.
Don't generalize/classify religious or atheists. Every single person goes around with their beliefs differently. Just because you've seen one doesn't mean you know them all. I know plenty of religious people who don't preach or shove it down throats.

 

[oLLie]

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: Beast1284

The same book that tells you to destroy your enemies, cast newborn babies against rocks, kill, murder, slain, torture and torment other people?

If you are going to refer to scriptures, you'd better give the chapter, verse...

"Thus saith the LORD of hosts ... go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."
--1 Samuel 15:2-3

Exodus 21:15-17

"And thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, the flesh and the blood, upon the altar of the LORD thy God: and the blood of thy sacrifices shall be poured out upon the altar of the LORD thy God, and thou shalt eat the flesh."
--Deuteronomy 12:27

"So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining."
--Deuteronomy 3:3

Ooops, it seems that atheists and other non-beleivers must be executed: Deuteronomy 17:2-7

God seems to love killing: Deuteronomy 32:39-43

Need I go on?

Few more seconds and there'll be a post that says:
"HEY! You can't take that literally! It means... love your neighbor... somehow I'm sure it does!"
The ultimate loophole for any religious fanatics when they're stuck in a corner: the literality argument.

 

[Pooteh]

When people get like that, it leaves my hands. I won't help an asshole.

oh ofcourse, he's the asshole in need of your help. how condecending. of course, only you are blessed with the truth, all other people be damned. this is the condecension people who aren't religious face constantly.

the fundamental problem with religion, its an exclusive club. there will always be the problem of a subclass of "unbelievers". preach love and all that nice stuff, but in the end, you end up prejudging a whole lot of people. it creates an US vs THEM no matter how you cut it. in otherwords, it is fundamentally devisive.

Sir, please tell me how he DOESN'T belive in God. Him stating that he hates God in essence makes him belive that there is a God in the first place.

thats simple. you could simply be misunderstanding his position. perhaps he hates your idea or concept of god. simple enough? or perhaps he isn't an athiest and hates god anyways. just because you believe in god does not mean you would find him worthy of worship correct?

 

[sandorski]

Uber: If you wanna help your friend out, just be a friend. The last thing he needs is for someone to start pushing stuff on him.