Nazis! - In my neighborhood!

[Silencer]

Wow.. Intelligent conversation!

About the nazi living next door: Just let him live his life! The constitution protects him upto the point where he incites violence or takes away the rights of others. If he's flying a nazi flag in his own home, he's not inciting violence.

About Nazi's and White Pride: White Pride is less about being racist, it's about being a Racialist(Note: I'm not racist or a racialist, I did extensive research for a college class). Racialists promote the survival of thier own race and most do not condemn other races or religous sects. Some pro-white programs are based on the old KKK(in the 1920's, they over 1 million members and almost elected members to congress), and some are based on Neo-Nazi beliefs. Violent? No. There only danger is that thier beliefs are not popular, but they can reach so many people...

Cheers!

 

[kabelogo]

do you think that those men would have been capable of doing what they did without hitler to make it possible? I doubt it. Hitler, through osterra (sp) became that policy. some felt like following it would be good. That does not mean the whole was all for it. Hence, it falls down to one man. One man directly responsible.

 

[Double Trouble]

EmperorNero:<<I see that you would have to resort to sarcasm>>

You see sarcasm where there is none.

ReitzL <<Trinitron has a right to not want this person in his neighborhood.>>

Absolutely! And this guy also has the right to not want Trinitron in his neighborhood. Everyone has the right to their opinion. When it comes to opinions, ideas or ideology, there is no 'right and wrong', everyone has theirs. To you, a skinhead's opinion is 'wrong'. To him, your opinion is wrong. So who's 'right'? Nobody -- the constitution grants everyone the same rights to express their opinions - whether they are nazis, skinheads, kkk, black panthers, or <gasp> even members of the democratic party. :Q

For a native American Indian, the American &quot;Stars &amp; Stripes&quot; may be a symbol of the massacre of millions of native Americans. To you, it may be something completely different. And yet both are entitled to their opinion and the expression thereof, provided the law is not broken.

Last year, a man was barred from using his law degree to practice law in Illinois. Why? Because he was an admitted KKK member and Neo-Nazi. He had broken no laws, nor did he have a criminal record. Do you know who represented him in his (successful) lawsuit against the state??? Alan Dershowitz -- a prominent Jewish lawyer. Why would a Jewish lawyer represent this man? Because as Dershowitz said, preventing this repugnant person from practicing his profession because of his beliefs would tear at the very fiber of our freedom by taking away an individual's rights to have an opinion different than that of the rest of society.

 

[kabelogo]

tagej, you are right to an extent. everyone has an opinion. the neo-nazi is always wrong. They embrace a philosiphy, an idea, that was not part of the political movement itself.

 

[Double Trouble]

<< the neo-nazi is always wrong>>

Nyet! To you and I the neo-nazi is 'wrong', but who put us in charge? To the law (based on the constitution), all opinions are ideologies are the same. It is only if you commit an act that is illegal that the law differentiates.

The ironic thing in this whole matter is that if, for example, Trinitron ran into this guy on the street, words are exchanged, and trinitron loses his cool and beats the guy to a pulp, Trinitron *could* be charged with a 'hate crime' simply based on his statements on this BBS alone :Q

 

[BoberFett]

tagej

Very insightful. There are too many people who have no idea that infringing on the rights of others is only going reduce their own freedoms.

 

[kabelogo]

he is wrong because he idealizes something that is wrong. just because he is wrong doesn't mean he doesn't have a RIGHT to be wrong. He does have that right. I'm glad he has the freedom to be right, i just wish he endorsed someone else, and not the nsd. his endorsement, and that of all the other neo nazis is not needed. Not everyone supports those ideas.

We should never infring on anyones rights, we should just educate them to their wrongs.

nyet? -------comrade tagej?

 

[BoberFett]

<< he idealizes something that is wrong >>

You still don't get it. It's your opinion that he's wrong. And in this country, we sure as he11 do have the right to be wrong. Thought that seems to be lost on the bleeding hearts lately. In order to have the freedom to succeed, you also need the freedom to fail.


Opinions are like @ssholes. Everybody's got one and they all stink

 

[kabelogo]

boberfett, if you read further you would realize i said it doesn't matter if i agree or not.

thank god in america we have the right to hate people, and form groups with the same beliefs. i would hate to live in a country that didn't have a kkk, a neo nazi movement, black hate groups, and the such.

free quebec. Now.

 

[BoberFett]

I admit, I'm a little confused by the first paragraph of your last post. Who were you saying is wrong? The nazi? Or the person who hates the nazi? I just don't understand who you are referring to.

 

[kabelogo]

the person that claims to be a nazi, or neo nazi, but has no idea what it truly represents. the person that equates it with all the atrocities of the past. they(that) is wrong. I'm glad they have the right to be wrong, don't get me wrong. Thats what makes america great. everyone can be wrong.

 

[BoberFett]

OK, now you're talking.

 

[Double Trouble]

hehehehe Errr.. whah? Run that by me again Kabel ?

 

[Yeeny]

What I find funny is the people in this thread that believe the same basic thing, but are so busy arguing their points they cannot tell they all actually agree!

 

[EmperorNero]

tagej, this is one of the times when I truly wish the mods didn't deleted my sig. it was &quot;I would like to see things your way, but my head can go that far up my ass.&quot; that applies here. first of all, that was sarcasm - but it's such a petty thing to argue about over so I'll just drop it. but you DID accuse of &quot;not grasping american idealogy.&quot; which was stupidity and jumping to wild conclusions on your part...but of course, you're not able to realize that.

and for the pro nazi girl, obviously you have a different view on who the holocaust and other wickedness should be responsible for. although the reason you gave was somewhat insufficient. if you can just stop being so short-sighted, you'll see that what gave hitler so much power were his supporters. and through hitler, the holocaust started. BUT dig a little deeper, and you'll see that hitler rised to his high status by his subjects, thus they are directly responsible for hitler so the responsibility has fallen on them too.

 

[Halz]

Na·zi (n&auml;ts, nt-)
n., pl. Na·zis.

A member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, founded in Germany in 1919 and brought to power in 1933 under Adolf Hitler.
Often nazi. An adherent or advocate of policies characteristic of Nazism; a fascist.
adj.
Of, relating to, controlled by, or typical of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

This party only came to power because Germany at the time was suffering a massive economical collapse, similar to the United State's 'Great Depression'. While the current Weimar Republic did not have the funds (because Germany was paying off war debts) the United State's government had to pull its self out of the depression, the Nazi party did have a scapegoat, the Jews. This newly found hatred twoards Jews served as the fuel Hitler needed to rally the un-emplyed whole of Germany under him and later overthrow the Weimar Republic so he could continue his ambitions throughout Europe thus starting World War II when he put in motion a treaty Poland had with France that France had with Great Britain by invading Poland in September of 1939.


Well, thats my history class... funny, I did all that without any refrence in front of me, well, except for the definition of the mis-used term.

 

[kabelogo]

emperor nincompoop, by saying that, you've shown the typical american stance. everyone has a right to be wrong. Did people agree with Hitler? sure, some did. Was it the written policy of the NSD to do the things hitler handed down? No, i don't think so. I never said other people are not accountable. I said that he is the reason that the holocaust and such atrocities happened.

It does not reflect the current socialist democrat movement, nor does it reflect the old. But to label everything bad to be the fault of the nsd itself is wrong. Hitler, and his policies, were directly responsible. It was Hitler who, 1) was in charge, 2) accepted the idiotic beliefs supported by Osterra(sp). Hitler, according to my take on it was in charge. Those that followed him knowing they did wrong, I will not excuse. Believe it or not, a lot of people did not know what was happening. The german population along with the world, first thought the jews were just being shipped out of Germany.

The workers party would have remained just that, and germany would have remained just that, if hitler had not appeared and taken power. So, yes, he can be blamed directly. Also, we had trials to take care of the others that were directly responsible. The americans and the brits saw to that.

but it's good to know that you have the whole world view up there in ohio. by the way, do you guys miss jeff blake?

 

[rahvin]

<<Believe it or not, a lot of people did not know what was happening. The german population along with the world, first thought the jews were just being shipped out of Germany.>>

You are seriously telling me that all the people that lived near the dozen concentration camps didn't know what was happening? Are you telling me that when they rounded the jews up and put them in the ghetto's that people didn't know what was happening? Are you telling me that rounding up and hauling off all the jews in town in cattle cars didn't give people a clue? I'm sorry, but the only person that didn't know what was happening was a bloody blind and deaf person. Word gets around, everyone knew, some might have denied it to themselves but everyone knew. You don't kill 6 million people and keep it a secret, everyone knew, even the americans knew....

 

[Mday]

when it comes to hate groups, the constitution does not protect them. PERIOD.

 

[rahvin]

Mday, you need to reread the constitution.

If you all wanna live in a country where hate groups are banned, go live in germany. This is the US, if you can't handle freedom and the costs of that freedom, get out.

 

[BoberFett]

Mday

If hate groups aren't protected then why are you? I'm sure you do some things that I don't agree with.

 

[Looney]

I wonder how some of you would react if you knew a known child molester had moved in next door to you... as far as you knew he wasn't doing anything illegal like molestation or child pornography, but you knew that he visited the local video store and often rented 'lolita' porn. Would you have the same holier than thou attitude as you do towards Trinitron?

 

[Hyper99]

you didnt know that only hitler was dead and that majority of his follower were still alive after the war, well that is they killed million of people and nothing you can do about it cause it just the way life goes some just get away with everything they do. you can ask him yourself and he will reply like this &quot; i have no choice I had to follow order, otherwise I be shot dead &quot; sound like they were playing along huh and maybe liked the ideas too the joy of killing million putting people to death. it something a nazi is proud of.
there is nothing you can do about this people who commited evil from another time, and places.

 

[Hyper99]

The truth is Trinitron doesn't have any Nazi next door he just made that up to get the thread really going!
Great Job Trinitron I salute you.
I see how this people is so worked up and it funny as s**t
None of them exist today! Not In U.S. as far I know there ideas of Nazi have been squashed like a bug.
Maybe there a movie about it is all.

 

[Double Trouble]

MDay: <<when it comes to hate groups, the constitution does not protect them. PERIOD.>>

Those ignorant hate group folks are not NEARLY as dangerous to all of our freedoms as people who believe statements like MDay's. Just about everyone can see the neo-nazi's and other hate groups for what they are, groups of disenchanted ignorant bigots. MDay's statement, on the other hand, shows the kind of ignorance of basic human freedom that should make anyone in a democracy cringe and shiver.

<< wonder how some of you would react if you knew a known child molester had moved in next door to you>>

Nobody here said Trinitron should 'like it' that some neo-nazi idiot moved into his neighborhood. We do, however, reconize that the other person has a right to follow whatever ideology he choses. As for the child molester moving in, nobody would *like* that, but there's nothing you'd be able to do about it -- even they have the right to live where they want, so long as they don't commit criminal acts.

EmperorNero: Show me where I said you didn't &quot;grasp American ideology&quot;..... oh wait, you can't, because I didn't. I said &quot;You still don't seem to grasp this concept&quot; of equal freedom of expression and opinion for all. I didn't have to jump to 'wild conclusions' for that one, your posts on the matter have proven that quite eloquently.