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QueBert

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Consumer Reports warns us that the Duralast Platinum have been failing their durability tests at high rates, group size 48 samples at 3, 5, and 6 weeks, and 4 group size 65 samples at 12 weeks. Apparently this is the worst for all batteries tested.

I had a Duralast Gold, I know it's a step down from the Platinum. But I went thru 5 batteries in 2 years. Apparently this isn't all that uncommon. The only thing good I can say is Autozone gave me no hassles and didn't question me at all when I took each in to get another. But I suspect that was because they know how crappy the batteries are.
 
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evident

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I had a Duralast Gold, I know it's a step down from the Platinum. But I went thru 5 batteries in 2 years. Apparently this isn't all that uncommon. The only thing good I can say is Autozone gave me no hassles and didn't question me at all when I took each in to get another. But I suspect that was because they know how crappy the batteries are.

just out of curiousity, whats the climate like where you live? garage or no garage? stock car w/ no boom boom stereo? 5 batteries in 2 years is pretty insane...

my original battery gave me 36 months on the nose, and my first costco battery lasted me about 4 years before not starting after leaving it sit for a week.
 

QueBert

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just out of curiousity, whats the climate like where you live? garage or no garage? stock car w/ no boom boom stereo? 5 batteries in 2 years is pretty insane...

my original battery gave me 36 months on the nose, and my first costco battery lasted me about 4 years before not starting after leaving it sit for a week.

So Cal, it was never garaged. I did have 2 amps and 2 12" subs. After the 5th lemon I gave up and bought an XS Power from the stereo shop. It lasted me until I sold the car 3 years later. Of course it was a hair over 3x the price so it's not fair to compare the 2. The only batteries I dislike as much as Duralast are Energizers, I had super bad luck with them too.
 

ISAslot

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So Cal, it was never garaged. I did have 2 amps and 2 12" subs. After the 5th lemon I gave up and bought an XS Power from the stereo shop. It lasted me until I sold the car 3 years later. Of course it was a hair over 3x the price so it's not fair to compare the 2. The only batteries I dislike as much as Duralast are Energizers, I had super bad luck with them too.

Interesting. I have an Energizer from 09 still going strong.
 

bwbob

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I've had good luck with the Walmart 5yr ones, priced right and when I've tested it even after a couple of years still shows more amps than spec'ed - yes, they're made by Johnson like most everything else
 

*kjm

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Interesting. I have an Energizer from 09 still going strong.

I still have a 2002 Motorcraft starting a V8 going strong in WI winters..... It's down to 590 cranking amps from 850 so I do have to replace it soon.
 

Carson Dyle

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I ended up replacing it with another Interstate. The old one was dated 2007, so I got a bit over 7 years out of it. Hard to argue with that.
 

rlswrestler

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Consumer Reports warns us that the Duralast Platinum have been failing their durability tests at high rates, group size 48 samples at 3, 5, and 6 weeks, and 4 group size 65 samples at 12 weeks. Apparently this is the worst for all batteries tested.
But the thing is i have now had my battery for 7 months now and it still as strong as when i got it i can run my 2300 watt system off it for 3-4 hours and it starts up fine like it would any other time. I just dont trust everything on the web that much cause there is a lot of false thing i trust life experiences and fact over that.
 

tortillasoup

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Jonson Control batteries have gone way down hill. If you Google around a lot of people don't like Interstate or Optima's any more. Optima's use to be the battery. They're not complete junk but they suck now. I was a day away from ordering one, but talking to people who have them, outside of the name they shouldn't even be considered the same battery any more. If you don't want to spend $$$ get the Walmart, it will be as good as something more expensive like a Exide.

Optimas used to be great batteries but when the company was bought out, they went with much lower quality building standards and materials and consequently their batteries have suffered. I've experienced optima batteries pre 2005 and post 2005 and there is a big difference. I've even had optima batteries made pre 2005 outlast post 2005 batteries. That's pathetic!
 

BUTCH1

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I just replace battery in my Jeep (OEM - 6 years) with the WalMart of the same specs - $150

3 year free replacement - + 2 additional years pro-rated.

AutoZone batteries were $50 more for same specs

Yea, my 'everstart" Wal-mart battery felt sluggish so I had it checked just before the warranty expired, it was a tad low on the CCA's so they just gave me a brand new one.
 

Zenmervolt

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But the thing is i have now had my battery for 7 months now and it still as strong as when i got it i can run my 2300 watt system off it for 3-4 hours and it starts up fine like it would any other time. I just dont trust everything on the web that much cause there is a lot of false thing i trust life experiences and fact over that.

Just because it's a "2,300 watt" system doesn't mean it's drawing that much power all the time. 2,300 watts at 12.6 volts is over 180 amps.

Most automotive starter batteries are in the 40-50 amp-hour range.

An automotive battery would only be able to supply 2300 watts for an ideal maximum of just under 17 minutes before hitting 100% discharged.

To run for 4 hours and still have enough juice left to start an engine, you're looking at a maximum average amp draw of somwehere in the neighborhood of 5-6 amps. This means that your "2,300 watt" system is, in reality, only drawing about 70 watts. Assuming your little tale is even true.

Science. It works.

ZV
 

tortillasoup

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Just because it's a "2,300 watt" system doesn't mean it's drawing that much power all the time. 2,300 watts at 12.6 volts is over 180 amps.

Most automotive starter batteries are in the 40-50 amp-hour range.

An automotive battery would only be able to supply 2300 watts for an ideal maximum of just under 17 minutes before hitting 100% discharged.

To run for 4 hours and still have enough juice left to start an engine, you're looking at a maximum average amp draw of somwehere in the neighborhood of 5-6 amps. This means that your "2,300 watt" system is, in reality, only drawing about 70 watts. Assuming your little tale is even true.

Science. It works.

ZV

All of this is true which is exactly why people with stupidly powerful car stereos would be smart to put their car on a battery charger/tender when they're not using it because a lot of the time, the alternator is undersized for the job, especially when the car is idling, drawing from the battery. So they go through a lot of batteries because they're mostly discharging their batteries and not making up for the lost charge.
 

BUTCH1

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Just because it's a "2,300 watt" system doesn't mean it's drawing that much power all the time. 2,300 watts at 12.6 volts is over 180 amps.

Most automotive starter batteries are in the 40-50 amp-hour range.

An automotive battery would only be able to supply 2300 watts for an ideal maximum of just under 17 minutes before hitting 100% discharged.

To run for 4 hours and still have enough juice left to start an engine, you're looking at a maximum average amp draw of somwehere in the neighborhood of 5-6 amps. This means that your "2,300 watt" system is, in reality, only drawing about 70 watts. Assuming your little tale is even true.

Science. It works.

ZV

He probably thinks the "1000 WATTS!" on the amp box actually means something, the RMS power is probably closer to 75.
 

QueBert

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Optimas used to be great batteries but when the company was bought out, they went with much lower quality building standards and materials and consequently their batteries have suffered. I've experienced optima batteries pre 2005 and post 2005 and there is a big difference. I've even had optima batteries made pre 2005 outlast post 2005 batteries. That's pathetic!

At this point I won't touch any Johnson Control made battery. Of course this accounts for almost every battery sold at every B&M store. Thank god for stereo shops. When an over $200 Optima sucks, and that's basically the top end JC offering, yeah I'm staying away. 6 months ago I put a Bosch battery in my car, was around $180 so it definitely wasn't cheap. 2 weeks later I'm listening to music on my Pioneer head unit with no external amp for around 2 hours and when I tried to start my car, nothing. Dunno who makes Bosch, but if I had to take a wild guess I'd say....

Johnson Control.
 
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tortillasoup

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. 2 weeks later I'm listening to music on my Pioneer head unit with no external amp for around 2 hours and when I tried to start my car, nothing. Dunno who makes Bosch, but if I had to take a wild guess I'd say....

Johnson Control.

How many amp hour battery? Like what size battery for the car? I wouldn't necessarily blame that on the battery as a combination of insufficient charging voltage from your car's charging system + a big battery discharge = no engine crank which can happen to anybody.
 

Ramses

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I've about given up playing the battery lottery, I buy the best warranty from the most convenient place to use that warranty. It's usually wallyworld or a McParts store of some flavor.
 

QueBert

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How many amp hour battery? Like what size battery for the car? I wouldn't necessarily blame that on the battery as a combination of insufficient charging voltage from your car's charging system + a big battery discharge = no engine crank which can happen to anybody.

Don't recall the exact specs it was 35 iirc, but the battery I replaced it with is 120aH. Ok, it was 2.5x the price of the Bosch, but there was no Johnson Control battery I could find at any price that was rated that high. Even the Optima is rated at something like 65aH which is a joke for a supposed uber high end battery. I understand cutting corners to save money, and I understand to the average consumer 35aH would be plenty. But JC has the ability to make premium batteries. They could at least have 1 line for people like me. I mean the stereo shop up the street has a $650 I think it's a Skuriken battery. And you can get a $150 Stinger that imho kills anything JC produces. But I'm not a battery expert, I just know with the power stereos I've had in most of my cars that JC batters are utter junk.
 

tortillasoup

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Don't recall the exact specs it was 35 iirc, but the battery I replaced it with is 120aH. Ok, it was 2.5x the price of the Bosch, but there was no Johnson Control battery I could find at any price that was rated that high. Even the Optima is rated at something like 65aH which is a joke for a supposed uber high end battery. I understand cutting corners to save money, and I understand to the average consumer 35aH would be plenty. But JC has the ability to make premium batteries. They could at least have 1 line for people like me. I mean the stereo shop up the street has a $650 I think it's a Skuriken battery. And you can get a $150 Stinger that imho kills anything JC produces. But I'm not a battery expert, I just know with the power stereos I've had in most of my cars that JC batters are utter junk.

For a given battery size, unless you're changing from Flooded to AGM, AH/RC ratings vs cranking amps are going to be relatively fixed. You can increase the cranking amps but I believe that's at the cost of less Reserve Capacity/AH. They can either use thicker but fewer plates which means less capacity but better longevity like in a Marine/Deep Discharge battery or the reverse like in a starter battery.

When you discharge a car battery, shouldn't go below 11.8V, otherwise you risk causing severe damage to the plates due to the massive sulfite crystals that are created.
 

herm0016

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after some research, the duracell branded batteries are a good deal. made by east penn, and the same as the deka batteries in some applications (specifically the deep cycles) availible at batteries plus bulbs and sams club.

i just bought a group 29 for my camper at batteries plus bulbs ( no sams here) for about 85 bucks.
 
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